They'll take the money, then say they need them in Iran.
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Do_itsch2 days ago
+2
Deliver on time. No.. Getting the money upfront. Yes
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Cautious_Goose_55682 days ago
+25
Don't pay upfront
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PhoneFresh75952 days ago
+52
delivery not guaranteed in this decade
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CountryMiserable73912 days ago
+2
As a normal American, this has all become so sad to us.
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DaveVdE2 days ago
+1
What does a normal American look like these days?
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morgazmo992 days ago
+1
Imagine a spherical cow..
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DaveVdE1 day ago
+2
Well I was gonna say “disenfranchised” but sure.
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pxer802 days ago
+3
They might not want to pay up front.
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Fearless_Ad_54702 days ago
+3
Guess how many years later the Netherlands receives the goods.
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HoneyBadger5522 days ago
+4
next batch will be european made. Europe is getting fed up w US. rheinmettal and thales awaits ur order
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noir_lord2 days ago
+11
We (UK/France via MBDA) already have the brimstone, dimensionally identical to hellfire (intentionally) and equal or better (it’s newer).
Same issue we always have though, volume.
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HoneyBadger5522 days ago
+5
stellar to hear. rheinmettal has been upping their capacity.
had no idea europe was building symmetrical munitions. smart move my man
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faffc2602 days ago
+6
NATO has tried to maintain standards so different countries are able to operate together effectively without a nightmare of logistics, this goes beyond the well known nato standards of 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 rifle cartridges to many other things. where feasible ofc.
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noir_lord2 days ago
+6
It’s a good system, it’s essentially a modernised hellfire (which is what it started as) but internally it’s entirely new.
Much like the Meteor vs the AIM-260, same role, similar capabilities.
The only thing Europe is behind on is stealth and space assets.
The US forgets that France, Germany, UK, Italy etc are technologically as *advanced* as the US on near all military technology.
We are strapping the brimstone to everything *including* drones and ground vics.
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Brief_Hospital_17662 days ago
+1
Volume is a political issue.
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MuchDiscipline22882 days ago
+3
heard that same song and dance with the f-35
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thecloakofignorance2 days ago
+1
Is that for ten missiles or twelve?
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Mr_Engineering2 days ago
+7
Probably between 1,000 and 1,500. AGM-114s are insanely cost effective.
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Eglaerinion2 days ago
+1
500-600. The newer ones are more expensive and the contract is for more than just missiles.
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imaginary_num6er2 days ago
+1
Hopefully NET1095 payment terms
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BeverlyHills701172 days ago
-8
I don't follow missile names, so this may be old news to most...but "hellfire" missilles? Has no one ever said the military is run by 12 year olds. F****** goof asses run the world. It's embarassing.
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Brief_Hospital_17662 days ago
+3
Been in service since the early 90s, but yes. 'Epic Fury' has turned into 'Epic Fear'.
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very_anonymous2 days ago
+3
What do you want them to call it?
Incendiary Ordinance Type 1 Revision C?
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HaximusPrime2 days ago
-1
They are literally missiles…. fired…. from heli…..copters.
Just hit the blunt again bro
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Fitz9112 days ago
+1
Yo. That was pretty stupid.
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HaximusPrime2 days ago
+1
Im sorry, the actual etymology of the name which is so extremely relevant that 100% of its letters are used to describe its deployment is stupid…..but thinking it’s just a meme name isn’t?
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BeverlyHills701172 days ago
-4
To be so willfully naive that the same people who bought you the uber cartoonesque URGENT FURY for our invasion of the 133 Sq mile island of Grenada (population 100,000) didn't try to come up with that goof ass name is kind of funny.
I was in Panama during "Just Cause" that name was f****** funny, but yeah, from the country that bought you Operation Gothic Serpent, it's me, not the military that's high.
F****** goofballs all the way down.
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HaximusPrime2 days ago
+1
You aren’t being as edgey as you think considering Hellfires have been called that since Vietnam.
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LwyrUpAmrca2 days ago
-2
Waiting for the Tweet announcing we’re about to annex Aruba
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Kentust2 days ago
-12
Don't we need those to restock our own missile stockpile after the botched war?
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MooseTots2 days ago
+2
I learned something about the Ukrainian military industrial complex that probably applies to the US’s as well. The Ukrainian government doesn’t necessarily buy all of the stock of a given item from the private company that makes them. Company A might produce 4000 fpv drones but the government may only have the budget for 3500. Then the rest can be sold to an allied country or held onto for future purchase.
So I imagine (and hope) the US produces more military equipment than the Pentagon can purchase.
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cjsv76572 days ago
+4
The US has tens of thousands of hellfires and hasn't really dented the stockpile at all.
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Kentust2 days ago
-4
I thought the bottleneck was chips, meaning that replacing any modern missiles or other (smart?) munitions. Replacing these missiles will still use chips and industrial capacity, unless the US intends to simply lower the quantities in its stockpiles
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cjsv76572 days ago
+6
Chips are not a bottleneck for US missiles at all. Fuel and explosives are the largest bottlenecks and hellfires are tiny compared to something like a tomahawk so use way less.
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Kentust2 days ago
-3
Wow, this is the first I'm hearing of this. Do you have any recommended reading? I've never heard that claim before. So if Taiwan blows its chip manufacturing there will be no effect on US missile production?
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cjsv76572 days ago
+2
A bottleneck is something production is limited by. Production is not limited by sourcing chips. Obviously if Taiwan destroyed fabs and China restricted rare earth metals those would become bottlenecks. Since that hasn't happened they are not bottlenecks.
As 90%+ of the entire world gets their advanced semiconductors from Taiwan *everyone* would be facing shortages thus bottlenecks in producing missiles. The US with the largest stockpiles would be far better off than any other country.
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ABoutDeSouffle2 days ago
+3
The chips used in ammo are relatively simple, they can be produced in older fabs. Your phone has more modern chips than any hellfire missile.
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ABoutDeSouffle2 days ago
+2
You are probably going to pull the same stunt as with Switzerland: take the money and refuse to deliver anything.
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Polartheb3ar2 days ago
-1
They will be sent back if the US tries to invade Greenland. With it being a NATO protected country and all.
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Kentust2 days ago
+4
Sent back by express delivery?
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3tntx2 days ago
+5
I’d say a speed of Mach 1.3 would qualify as express 😀
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Wyciorek2 days ago
-2
That’s why US will be collecting money, but not actually delivering anything. Netherlands, please do read about Switzerland‘s deals for American weapons and how it went for them.
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Kentust2 days ago
+2
Buying American right now is certainly a choice
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thompsoncs2 days ago
+2
Practically the entire Dutch airforce and AD is already US-based (F35, apache (very recently upgraded to modern AH-64E), chinook, patriot etc) . Buying more munitions for your existing US systems changes nothing in terms of dependence. We're also not about to throw all those investments down the drain unless there is absolutely no other choice.
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SirRichardLove2 days ago
-4
What uhhh, is the Netherlands doing with hellfire missiles?
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Brief_Hospital_17662 days ago
+7
They have Apaches.
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Eglaerinion2 days ago
+2
Also MQ9s that are in the process of being armed.
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EquivalentSpot82922 days ago
+5
Don’t worry about it, need it for weed stuff. Not for Ukraine. Shh.
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Ultrajogger-Michael2 days ago
+2
Glorious Revolution II; beware Brits.
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PHD_Gouda2 days ago
-5
Taxpayers will keep supporting massive spending until moral improves
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WeakBlueberry50712 days ago
-17
They'll sell to Boko Haram if they had the cash, u.s. is broke.
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zachxyz2 days ago
+14
The US is broke? Lmao
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wompical2 days ago
+10
according to listnook both USA - the richest country in the history of the world - and elon musk, the richest man in the history of the world are both broke.
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WeakBlueberry50712 days ago
-6
Do you know what....debt....means.
You're about to break 39 trillion. Yes I say you're. Because every American owns a piece of that debt.
-6
Topsyye2 days ago
+9
Which country are you from that doesn’t have any debt?
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ScopeLogic2 days ago
-2
What exactly does the Netherlands want hellfire for? The nation is 89% water....
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