Wouldn't it make more sense to go after the mine-laying boats 😂
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RiPPeR694201 day ago
+40
Sure. But the boats are small and fast, and don't have to go out to sea too far to float a sea mine in tbe general direction of out to sea. The currents do the rest. So to stop tbe boats, you need to have a ship nearby that is close enough to spot the boat, and engare in before it fucks off. The visible horizon is about 10 nm, at least for a ship. To cover the whole coast would require a fuckton of ships, operating say 15 nm off the coast of Iran. That puts those ships in range of dumb fire rockets. And the US Navy loses their biggest advantage, which is having incredibly powerful long range radars and missiles that can engage targets from about 100 nm away. Basically, unless the US Navy enters the straits, the Iranians have almost no capability to effectively engage. They could shoot everything they had in a single salvo right now and there is a very high probability the US wouldn't lose a single ship. But if the US Navy tries to force the strait, without a ground invasion all those ships are sitting ducks.
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TheGoodspeed151 day ago
+27
Sounds like someone somewhere should have thought of that
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RiPPeR694201 day ago
+28
Many talented, intelligent and experienced people did. Unfortunately, they are no longer employed by the US government anymore. Instead you have a racist pedophile, failed business man with late stage demintia with the intelligence and foresight of a toddler calling the shots. Who is well supported by a vast network of enablers, in it for a series of nakedly corrupt reasons, generally with the end goal of turning the United States of America into a series neo feudal corporate fiefdoms ruled by billionaires, for billionaires, so they can exploit the peasants openly like the titled lords of old they consider themselves the descendants they consider themselves. Tis an unfortunate situation we find ourselves in that nobody could have predicted prior to Donald Trump being elected. It's not like they wrote their plan down and labeled it something like Project 2025. Who could have possibly known? And what possibly could have been done? It's a question for the ages that I'm sure will puzzle future historians and spark many very well measured and intelligent academic debates and discussions. Assuming there are historians in the future. The trend line with regards to the US system of government to take decisive action to limit the consequences of climate change by reducing fossil fuel usage, reduce water usage and contamination, reduce the amount of chemical pesticides and fertilizers, and manage forests and wildfires in a manner that has any potential impacts on financial markets or shareholder value, the outlook is not good.
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Practical_Chemtrail1 day ago
+1
Bleak…just a heads up to future archeo historians…this person they saw what was coming.
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FjorgVanDerPlorg1 day ago
+7
Yeah it's almost like US military experts having been telling US presidents why this was a bad idea for like 40ish years, pretty much every time the Israelis brought it up.
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BOPSurfcasting11 day ago
+139
This war is starting to escalate again, we are going in the wrong direction.
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CuteKermit141 day ago
+65
Do you think it will stop if we give him the “Noble Peace Prize”? It will look exactly the same as a Nobel Peace Prize and we can all clap like he is a child.
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VancityRenaults1 day ago
+25
We should give him the “No-bell Piece Prize”, awarded to the biggest piece of shit with no bell
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National-Two24171 day ago
+10
Taco-bell no more please prize
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lennydsat621 day ago
+3
Ralph Wiggum vibes.
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t0m0hawk1 day ago
+6
At least its predictable in a sense.
Want to know how to predict what happens next?
Just think about what a moron would do as their next move and you're probably on the right track.
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SunMachiavelliTzu1 day ago
+3
My bet would be on nukes... 'you cant have uranium, here have some'...
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bejammin0751 day ago
+2
With the last of the pre-conflict tankers reaching their destinations, it seems to me like we are about to reach a new phase where the constraints on oil supply are going to be felt hard in the US, and Iran's leverage will be at its maximum. If I were Iran, I'd keep the strait closed over the summer, make gas prices go sky high in the US, make Trump incredibly unpopular and therefore desperate to make concessions before the 2026 midterm elections.
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guitarguywh891 day ago
+2
Well yeah it’s getting towards the end of the week and nobody believes him after the last ten times, so he’s gotta start early this time
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BOPSurfcasting11 day ago
+2
Yeah he's mixing it up a bit.
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MachineSpirited70851 day ago
+51
102 then 98 then 104 then 89 then 83, and now we're back at 96. So tired of this timeline. we're gonna hit 120 by May if they keep playing chicken with each other
We're
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belovedkid1 day ago
+27
The last shipments of pre war oil made landfall 4/20. We have about 2 weeks before shit gets really real. Not an exaggeration to believe the party turns on Trump around 5/1 to end this because their mid term fate is sealed if this isn’t over by then.
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to_glory_we_steer1 day ago
+9
This Brit's been waiting for your politicians to grow some balls, I expect there'll be no change, please prove me wrong
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LowerRhubarb1 day ago
+5
The only way they'll do anything is if someone drops the full unredacted Epstein files. Because then most of them will be on trial and trying to cut deals to save their asses and watch the whole thing collapse like the house of cards it is. The only thing you can trust about these rats is they'll flee a sinking ship and try to save their own asses.
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SunMachiavelliTzu1 day ago
+6
Why? What has been released already is already damning enough. He has already been convicted. He has been manipulating the markets in borad daylight. Ignored laws and judicial rulings. The result was crickets. Nothing will really change in that respect with the full disclosure of the files.
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to_glory_we_steer1 day ago
+2
So it's down to the American people to actively get out there and make a difference, and not by grumbling online or just doing some marches and calling it a day.
This needs sustained and concerted civil disobedience in support of the remaining uncorrupted institutions of state. I'm talking the police and FBI agents who tried to prosecute Epstein but were stymied at every turn. And the judges who support justice for all.
The alternative is that Americans will be subjected to the kind of tyranny that they have never before experienced in their history. And it will not discriminate between those who support it and those who are opposed to it.
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hanr861 day ago
+1
Why by that deadline?
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Mortumee1 day ago
+3
I'm assuming that's when the last pre-war shipment's processing will be done.
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keyUsers1 day ago
+1
> As of early 2026, the United States holds approximately 46.0 billion barrels of proven crude oil reserves, primarily located in Texas, New Mexico, and North Dakota. These reserves represent about 4.74% of the global total. The U.S. also maintains a Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) to address supply disruptions, which holds roughly 409 million barrels as of April 2026.
> **Total Consumption**: The world is estimated to consume over 100 million barrels of oil per day.
> **Top Consumers (2024–2025)**: The United States is the largest consumer at roughly 19-20 million b/d, followed closely by China.
Trump can easily burn the reserves until the mid terms.
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Irr3l3ph4nt1 day ago
+7
If any oil could be used for anything and could be teleported directly from unextracted reserves to where it's needed around the globe, that could be a plan.
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MoeSzyslakMonobrow1 day ago
+8
Gotta keep it around 100 so Russia makes money selling oil.
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the-es1 day ago
+14
Look, russia need oil above $100, trump needs to make it happen. Mid-year talent reviews are around the corner and you don't want your supervisor angry with you.
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Think-Werewolf-45211 day ago
+57
Didn't Trump say we won the war weeks ago?
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BOPSurfcasting11 day ago
+39
"We won"
"Already won.....in many ways"
"we're winning"
"Open up the strait you crazy bastards!!"
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Then_I_had_a_thought1 day ago
+23
“Praise be to Allah”
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obalovatyk1 day ago
+2
"Mission accomplished!"
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OriginalGoldstandard1 day ago
+30
So what’s the plan here guys?
Within a a month people are going to start panicking and there will be no cure for hunger and jobs by printing. We are talking SHORTAGES.
This is not a game of risk. I think it’s time for USA to back away slowly. This is getting worse by the day.
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008Zulu1 day ago
+31
But Trump's bank accounts are getting bigger, that's all he cares about.
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OriginalGoldstandard1 day ago
+10
Hopefully jail after this.
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Dr_Joshie1 day ago
+31
Keep dreaming mate.
No one is the USA with any real power have the balls to hold him to account here. At best, we can hope he passes away soon, because there isn’t a day of reckoning coming for him.
Trump has gotten away with horrible things his whole life, he will die never facing repercussions for any of it.
We just need to remember those who failed to act, and ensure they are held accountable once this is all over.
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OriginalGoldstandard1 day ago
+5
Great comment.
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lost_horizons1 day ago
+5
Keep praying for the miracle cheeseburger to do its job...
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Wolfclaw3591 day ago
+1
Eh, if Trump passes away in any amount of time that'd keep us from the worst-case scenario, the US has Vance for the rest of his term and then he can still run for another two. Not sure which is worse, the dumbass whose brain is too far gone to remember what happened 10 minutes ago or the guy whose main trait is loyalty and has gotten so lost in the sauce that he genuinely believes the other guy
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Dr_Joshie1 day ago
+1
Vance is just as bad for sure, but MAGA is 100% a cult of personality, and I don’t think it survives past Trump. Anyone else that steps up as the leader of MAGA will be torn to shreds by both sides. I think the Republican Party will survive the MAGA movement, but I don’t think MAGA will last past Trump.
Vance isn’t strong enough to come out on top of the power struggle that will happen post-Trump.
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rabidstoat1 day ago
+8
I think the plan might be to drive Iran to economic collapse and a failed state in an effort to force them to give up, at the least, Hormuz claims, and surely the administration thinks they can also get the uranium too if they outlast Iran.
It's bad economically on the US and Europe and worse for Asia, but it's even more devastating for Iran. If Trump doesn't blink he can probably outlast them. At the cost of a global recession, probably.
Or he might bomb them when the market closes tomorrow.
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ftzmdx1 day ago
+8
Right now, at least, there is some sort of command structure in Iran that can be negotiated with. If collapse happens then weapons will be spread everywhere and some will be in the hands of a group that will want to take out a tanker. Result; strait still closed and no-one to talk to.
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windingsand1 day ago
+1
All it takes is a few guys, a toyota and any form of weaponry still laying around that can hit tankers crossing for them to halt it again
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ARazorbacks1 day ago
+2
What do you mean? Iran collapse? Trump outlast them?
Trump has another few weeks before physical deliveries stop (the ships that made it out before the war). Trump then has some amount of time before that oil is refined and shipped. After that…there’s nothing from the Strait. And on top of that ME output is way down due to infrastructure attacks.
You’re telling me Iran didn’t plan to last a few months of the Strait being closed? The Strait is Iran’s nuclear weapon. The global economy depends upon the Strait.
Of course Iran planned to be able to keep the Strait closed long enough to f*** the global economy. That’s the whole point. That’s why no other president was stupid enough to attack them and instead used diplomacy.
Trump is fucked no matter how you look at it. This shit’s going to spiral in another month or two when there isn’t enough gas to keep every gas station stocked. Even if the Strait opens tomorrow it’s still a month before the first ships start showing up.
MAGA went from bitching about normal gas prices under Biden to being on the edge of having gas rationing under their boy, Trump. MAGA - the dumbest humans to ever walk the earth.
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Kim_Jong_Unko1 day ago
+2
I think a lot of people are missing the point. It doesn't matter what happens in the short term with Iran, we are already well beyond the point of no return.
IF the conflict ended immediately (all members decide to hold hands and become besties) and there were no mines in the strait, 1) it would still take weeks to get the full ships waiting on the wrong side of the strait where they need to be, 2) it would take weeks to get empty tankers in to start shipping out the stored crude waiting to go, and 3) the damaged infrastructure in the gulf coast countries means we're not going to see production return to normal levels for a long time (months to years).
All of this assumes a) no further damage to infrastructure, b) no mine-clearing is needed in the strait, and c) all the recently-irrational actors involved in the conflict suddenly act in a rational manner.
We've already driven off the cliff, we just haven't hit the bottom of the gorge yet. Trying to spin the car a little bit in the air so we don't crash quite as badly is pretty moot.
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Kiiaru1 day ago
+5
The plan is to make China talk Iran into bending the knee. America is an oil exporter, and thanks to the Venezuela oil now under America's fingers of influence, America will weather this storm.
China imports half its oil from Iran. The estimates are China runs dry on June 8th. Russia sends oil to them too, but as of March/April, Russia stopped exporting gas because Ukrainian strikes have reduced their production.
It's a shame America didn't help Ukraine or any of its European allies smack Russia down/get off Russian LNG/offer cheaper oil to the EU. It would've made this Iran/China gambit easier...
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Colbert20201 day ago
+1
The plan is the same as it was over a week ago: Cut off Iran's oil if they threaten the strait. It inflicts alot of economic pain on them that they were otherwise insulated from before.
I know Listnook users are going stir crazy because they are addicted to some new crazy Tweet or development for their dopamine, but the fact is that this is the future for the next few weeks/months until Iran can't store any more oil.
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volcus1 day ago
+3
Diplomacy at its finest. This is bound to get the hardliners to the negotiating table.
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manniesalado1 day ago
+3
Sounds like Trump's war is far from sorted.
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VVynn1 day ago
+3
Release the Epstein files so we can stop this stupid distraction.
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BOPSurfcasting11 day ago
+10
They killed Iran's supreme leader's father, mother, sister and nephew. If he is required to sign off on any peace deal, we know what his answer will be.
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Savac01 day ago
+10
As if he’s calling the shots
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PrairiePopsicle1 day ago
+4
he is also maimed. literal supervillain origin story.
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JD0x01 day ago
+3
Has there been any legit proof of life yet?
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Filmyboicrispy1 day ago
+5
Nothing. I'm thinking the IRCG runs a coup before anyone sees him in public.
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Elendils_Bear1 day ago
+13
How long until iran puts a guy with a rocket launcher on one of these and now we have a helicopter down?
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Sedert18821 day ago
+10
This is becoming even more ridiculous every effing day! I won't be able to fill my car soon.
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nicklor1 day ago
-9
Hasn't gone up in like 2 weeks here
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too-left-feet1 day ago
+4
I’ve used the term fubar since I was a teenager ( lots of years ago ), but this really is the most fubar thing I’ve seen during this administration’s tenure ( wait… , ICE is getting more funding ?, we may have a tie )
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SugarDue81601 day ago
+2
Is ICE getting more funding? I hadn't seen that.
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Over-Juice-74221 day ago
+1
They should help clear the mines
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JimHalpertsUncle1 day ago
+4
Trump is too egotistical to negotiate properly with Iran. The USA needs someone level-headed and strategic. It’s just two bullies bullying each other back and forth, not a great situation at all.
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__slamallama__1 day ago
+4
Yeah the things is Iran is in an existential fight for survival and their *best case scenario* is still absolutely terrible.
Trump has a lot more to lose here
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lost_horizons1 day ago
+1
How are they laying mines? I was told they had no navy left.
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VanCityPhotoNewbie1 day ago
+1
So the real question is what happens to the oil on the boat that is purchased from other countries ?
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Peter225B1 day ago
+1
[ Removed by Listnook ]
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nosfer821 day ago
+1
Pirates. With eye patch, wooden leg, parrot and everything.
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SunMachiavelliTzu1 day ago
+1
How can there still be mine laying boats? Must be fake news, since Trump stated that the entire Iranian navy lies on the bottom of the sea... so much winning...
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Expert_Bag74161 day ago
+2
Iran is just lying for psychological warfare.
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HippyHunter71 day ago
-8
Ah yes.
First fishing boats were "drug traffickers" now their "mine layers"
Because laying 1-2 mines every 4 hours is realisticly going to do anything. Compared to actual mine layers that can deploy 60+ in an hour and can track their position and the mine's in realtime.
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CMFETCU1 day ago
+21
Mine warfare is about perception.
I know a little about it since I have stood on them, taken warfighting courses on them, and detonated them.
Counter mobility is all about denying or making the enemy believe you are denying an avenue of approach. Most mine fields are marked. Why?
Because we want you to know they are there. We want to influence behavior more than cause direct damage.
In the case of the strait, the goal is to influence behavior of tanker traffic. The risk of losing 1 to 1 mine is enough to change behavior and even if the strait is not effectively mined to deny traffic physically, it is effective to change shipping behavior and thus change the power at the bargaining table.
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rabidstoat1 day ago
+6
If there is a bowl of 100 M&Ms, and only 1 out of the 100 has lethal poison in it, I'm not going to eat a f****** M&M. Same theory, yeah.
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CMFETCU1 day ago
+2
Risk reward.
You can lose 200 million dollars worth of cargo, or you can wait a bit and net gains when perceived threat is less.
Obviously can’t wait forever but also obviously no sense going after risks you don’t need to take when the costs are rather high.
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HippyHunter71 day ago
-14
I highly doubt that because throughout history strategic minefields have been shown to never work and are easily avoided.
So your telling me Iran is investing in a stregetically unsound strategy and also using inadequate vessels to set up said minefields?
You missed the point entirely. The time and effort required with the boats in question isn't possible. It's literally just another excuse to start bombing fishing boats.
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CMFETCU1 day ago
+4
Avoided is the point of counter mobility operations. Avoided.
You WANT the minefield to make people avoid, redirect, delay, or move more cautiously.
That’s what mines do.
They don’t prevent ingress. They route you where movement is wanted or route you in a way that is advantageous to the side laying the mines.
There is very real benefit to Iran to force further delays (presidential power to unilaterally act can’t go on forever before congress steps in) and force further harm to the perception of US conventional military dominance by making the civilian traffic in the region believe there is to some degree mines present.
Iran knows this is not a fight you won directly but you can win on the political and economic damage fronts. Control traffic through the strait, that is the appearance of power, that is to deny your enemy winning. Even if this is 10 mines total, it is an effective mismatch in size of allocated resources needed to oppose the perception of a threat. The US will have to spend orders of magnitude more in cost, time, and political capital to address this perception. It doesn’t have to be real to be perceived threat.
While it may be true Hegseth is looking for an excuse to bomb more targets and declare easy wins (the US will always win the “bomb this thing” game), it doesn’t mean the opposing position is any less valuable for Iran. These are not mutually exclusive.
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SpiderSlitScrotums1 day ago
+1
Are you seriously arguing with someone who has actual experience with sea mines?
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HippyHunter71 day ago
Are you seriously expecting me to believe professor listnook?
Yeah something banned from use in most modern countries and that is so niche in modern military arsenals has someone that's a wealth of knowledge just show up on the subject. But yeah take the guy who's comment history is full of pro US MAGA nonsense.
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