U.S. forces rescue second crew member from F-15 downed in Iran: Officials

At what point does signing up for the U.S army come with the acceptance that you're going to be deployed overseas to kill in the name of the rich? It's been a good 25 years of this now.

>Yeah but they can't refuse that order. I know I should probably be politer about this, but it's 2026 and this is a dumb comment to make. The choice is between doing some jail time or going to another country to bomb brown schoolgirls in order to protect a billionaire pedophile. 

> Yeah but they can't refuse that order. Yes they can.

I thought everyone was super into soldiers defying orders when the Russian soldiers were supposed to defy orders from Putrid

Of course they can refuse the order. It’s the choice of being a political prisoner or complicit in war crimes.

> People don't fight for their country, they fight for the guy next to them. This reads like one of those movie poster lines that serve as military propaganda. I'm assuming this goes down really well within the US though.

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Yeah, they expect us to feel bad for a guy who signed up to to kill other people. Guaranteed he didn't give a damn when he blew up bridges, civilian infrastructure, and innocent people.

>That's why when all those beheadings started in Iraq, it didn't bother me. A lot of people here were horrified, "Whaaaa, beheadings! Beheadings!" What, are you f****** surprised? Just one more form of extreme human behavior. Besides, who cares about some mercenary civilian contractor from Oklahoma who gets his head cut off? F*** 'em. Hey Jack, you don't want to get your head cut off? Stay the f*** in Oklahoma. They ain't cuttin' off heads in Oklahoma, far as I know. But I do know this: you strap on a gun and go struttin' around some other man's country, you'd better be ready for some action, Jack. People are touchy about that sort of thing. And let me ask you this... this is a moral question, not rhetorical, I'm looking for the answer: what is the moral difference between cuttin' off one guy's head, or two, or three, or five, or ten - and dropping a big bomb on a hospital and killing a whole bunch of sick kids? - George Carlin, *Life Is Worth Losing*

It’s true, JSOC grabbed him. Likely 24th STS and Delta, there was a large air contingent involved, helicopters and fixed wing refuelers, plus containment fire (likely fighters or AC-130 gunships). At least one, possibly 2 refuelers demoed in place on the ground that got stuck in the sand. Several wounded in action, no killed in action. Sounds like they had to shoot their way out.

What makes his actions a "hero"?

More than just a election denier. Hes a grifter, and gladly accepted a role in Trumps administration as a delusionist. What a traitor he turned out to be.

Yeah, I looked him up on Wikipedia: > Before and during the nomination, O'Grady had spread numerous disproved conspiracy theories regarding the 2020 United States presidential election and calls by Michael Flynn for Trump to institute martial law. :(

100% agreed

I did in the mid 2000s. Aircrew, not a pilot. I'm so glad the downed airman wasn't captured. The POW stuff, specifically what we've learned from former POWs experiences, is absolute nightmare fuel.

My dad did it early in his USAF days, and he still talks about how he finally got desperate enough to chop the head off of a rattlesnake and cook it over an open fire only for the exercise to finish like two hours later lol He is not the type to eat anything exotic, very much a meat and potatoes guy.

It is incredible training. All of our survival training is, including the water survival stuff. Very high quality training with a lot of money, time and effort put into making it very real. Go listen to "Boots" for 5 hours straight now

A buddy did it in AF academy I believe. Not sure if it’s the same thing as full on SERE but it already sounded like a really rough time for something like a week, including the simulated capture that you really wanted to avoid. Some posters were saying the WSO was gone for a long time and likely dead, and I was thinking that was well within what they go through, even at a basic level.

I feel a Mark Wahlberg appearance

And they are 100% here and on every social media we consume. Make no mistake. The goal is always to undermine support and cause division in the West. Russia has been playing this strategy for pretty much all recent memory.

Many aren’t trolls. They’re brainwashed morons, mostly Americans, who are 14 and think they know geopolitics

My twitter feed has gone from college football all the way to accounts clearly trying to make it seem like Iran is destroying the US and Israel

I mean the air to ground ratio here was massive. Not every soldier gets there own squadron of warthogs. If this is a sign of things to come I can see why Iran is salivating for more. The cost will be enormous.

That’s not being pro-Iran that’s just reasonable judgement that ground invasion would be bad. I want the regime to fall but a ground invasion is not a good way to do it. Iran is a massive country with 90 million people and hundreds of thousands of soldiers. This rescue operation got in and out of the country quickly instead of occupying the land like they would need to do in war. A full ground invasion would take many casualties. America would probably still win but at very high cost

Many listnookors are against this open war of aggression without a goal. Many listnookors can be against both: this war started by Israel and the USA and also against the brutal government of Iran that funds terrorism in foreign states and murders its own people. This war has so far achieved nothing but death and a way worse world economy, so being against this war and shitting on the ones starting and continuing it is *not* the same as being pro Iran.

Iran disabled the internet for nearly the entire country.

If there is a ground invasion you’ll get your footage.

Good, f*** them

I mean, it's their home country lol.

"Pararescue Jumper" for those wondering. The training is absolutely insane. Certified divers, airborne, freefall, paramedic / emt and SERE training.

I know a guy that washed out from PJs and ended up in Tac P. I can confirm that the PJs are about that action. Nobody is better at search and rescue

> The IRGC really screwed their own citizens  How out of character for them

"Listnookors are the WORST!" - Listnookors say to other Listnookors while on Listnook.

There's never been any argument that Iran has far inferior capabilities to the US. What matters is: a) can they resist a ground invasion?, and b) can they close the strait if they want to? The answer to both these questions remains "very likely yes"

Where? Where are you seeing all these pro Iranian listnookors? I haven’t come across many people cheering on the Iranian regime and I have been following this situation closely. From my view point I just see a strong consensus that the Iranian regime is brutal and unnecessary yet the US has no justifiable business invading it.

Iran has zero Air Force. We destroyed what little was left