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News & Current Events Mar 30, 2026 at 8:34 PM

US May ‘Reexamine’ NATO’s Merit After Iran War Snub, Rubio Says

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WoTpro Mar 30, 2026 +6355
Has Rubio said thanks? You don't have the cards buddy.
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euph_22 Mar 30, 2026 +1339
He should have worn a suit.
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AllPotatoesGone Mar 30, 2026 +852
Or at least his own shoes.
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Sweet-Competition-15 Mar 30, 2026 +167
Something that fit properly would have been nice...he looks like a kid playing dress-up.
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Crashman09 Mar 30, 2026 +54
That's because he is
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Arhys Mar 31, 2026 +7
A clown suit would suit him.
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TerraMindFigure Mar 31, 2026 +172
"Umm, we're getting our asses kicked and crashing the economy after starting a war we didn't tell you we'd be starting. A little help here?" Crazy to flip from "We will take Greenland" to "Where you guys at?" F****** psychotic behavior. Every day Congress doesn't impeach is a day they lose credibility that they don't even have anymore.
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sthlmsoul Mar 31, 2026 +31
What does Rubio think a defensive alliance mean?
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AsparagusFern319 Mar 30, 2026 +7054
These f****** *morons*
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mynx79 Mar 30, 2026 +4040
Seriously. My Mom said yesterday that NATO is useless because they haven't done anything. I said "Mom, NATO is DEFENSIVE. They aren't supposed to come to the aid of the aggressor." Face palms everywhere.
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TheBlack2007 Mar 30, 2026 +2172
Also it's the ***North Atlantic Treaty Organization.*** It's right there in the name: Back when it was founded in 1949, many of the European members still had Colonial Empires outside of Europe - Empires the US openly disapproved of (and some would say it played not a minor role in covertly dismantling all of them). Anyway, to avoid being dragged into possible colonial uprisings, revolts or revolutions, the alliance set a clear area of responsibility: The North Atlantic plus the adjacent continents of Europe and North America. The Americans didn't intervene when the Europeans piece by piece lost their colonies, be it the French in Algeria, Indochina and Western Africa, the British in East Africa or the Belgians in the Congo. Now to be clear: I'm not some stuck-up imperialist arguing they should have, but it's a fact they did not have to and subsequently, they didn't without it ever calling their commitment to the defense of Western Europe into question. Hell, even when the Argentinians occupied the Falkland Islands in 1986, the Americans kept out of it, once again stating this was outside treaty responsibilities. So, technically the Europeans are absolutely right by refusing the American call to action here. Not only did the US not even try to officially invoke Article 5 - but the Americans themselves not only set the rules about engagements outside treaty responsibilities themselves, they have also acted on it (or rather: they did not) on numerous occasions.
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UH1Phil Mar 30, 2026 +81
You're thinking like someone who follow rules. This is a play for leaving NATO or in the least ostracizing the allies to pull support, become even more hostile towards them and divide.  They're using NATO as a pawn in their game of isolating Europe *and/or* pushing them closer to Russia. It's malevolence. It's planned. They always have an angle to berate Europe, no matter what it is. Their followers buy these mental gymnastics.
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CRUSTBUSTICUS Mar 30, 2026 +351
Not to be pedantic but the US did famously intervene in French indochina
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TheBlack2007 Mar 30, 2026 +464
Yes, after the French already cut their losses and withdrew in 1954. Technically, the Indochina war ended that year with the French Colony being dissolved and a number of new Nation States being founded on its territory: North and South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. However, practically, the Colonial war was almost immediately subsumed by a Civil War that would ultimately escalate into the Vietnam War as we know it. Still, the Americans did not intervene directly until 1963, nine years after the French left.
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quocphu1905 Mar 30, 2026 +360
I hate the fact that people go and tout the Vietnam War (or American War as it's called in my country) is a civil war. It is not a civil war. It was a war for independence. For Vietnam's independence. After the Second Indochina war of 1954, the French brokered a treaty that state they will control the part that will later be South Vietnam while they organise their withdrawal, and after the withdrawal a national vote would be conducted to decide whether the nation would be united. The vote did get carried out, and the vote was overwhelmingly positive. The people wanted the nation to be united. That is until the Americans came, staged a coup in South Vietnam, and propped up a puppet regime. They then sent "advisors" and the regime started suppressing any dissent. In fact the dissent was so strong and rampant among the populace the Americans tried reorganising entire villages into smaller "tactical villages" to try and control it. In fact it is the populace of South Vietnam that formed the Vietcong, in contrast to the North Vietnamese army consisting of troops from the northern populace. The people are united in their will to kick out the American, and the puppet regime that sold out their countrymen. If the people of North and South are united in their will, how could it be called a civil war? America's Civil war was a civil war, since there is a clear split of goal and ideology between the two sides. Such was not the case in our war for independence. The myth about the Vietnam War being a civil war is completely made up by American psyop to cover up their doing and mitigate the massive failure and stupidity that is the American War. After all, America has never lost any of its wars, has it?
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secretreddname Mar 30, 2026 +156
Yup. Funny because democracy chose a leader but it wasn’t the one the Americans wanted so they came in and tried changing it.
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Crazy_Ad_7302 Mar 30, 2026 +99
Not the first or last time
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Famous_Bit_5119 Mar 30, 2026 +48
Like Iran and Mossadegh.
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redditurus_est Mar 31, 2026 +24
Only that the US didn't sell weapons to the Vietcong to secretly fund terrorist groups on the other side of the globe... that we know of.
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Dick_of_Doom Mar 31, 2026 +13
It's the quintessential American move. We even did it to ourselves in 2016 and 2000.
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die-linke Mar 31, 2026 +24
Just want to correct 1 thing, The national wide vote follow 1954 Geneva Accords DID NOT happen as Diem dissolved State of Vietnam and propped up Republic of Vietnam with a fraudulent referendum before that. The reason for it was because US intelligence predicted that Ho Chi Minh/Viet Minh would have had a landslide victory.
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milkplantation Mar 31, 2026 +22
You’re right that calling the Vietnam War only a “civil war” can flatten its anti-colonial and anti-foreign-intervention side. But your comment overstates a few things. The biggest factual problem is that the 1956 nationwide reunification election was planned but never actually held. So, unless I'm mistaken, it is not accurate to say the vote happened and showed overwhelming support for unification. It is also too simple to say the war was not a civil war at all. Many South Vietnamese opposed the Saigon government and joined the NLF/Viet Cong, but many other South Vietnamese fought for South Vietnam. That means there really was an internal Vietnamese conflict, even though the war was also shaped heavily by U.S. intervention and the longer struggle against foreign domination. I think a more accurate way to frame it is that the Vietnam War was both a war of national unification/independence and a civil war, made much bigger and more destructive by outside powers like the U.S.
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disisathrowaway Mar 31, 2026 +22
The US also conveniently omits that after the NVA drove out the Americans, they were then attacked by Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge. The Vietnamese, in turn, defeated the Khmer Rouge and unseated Pol Pot. As a result of their fighting with Cambodia, China decided they wanted to f*** with Vietnam who successfully defended itself *again*. Simply put, there was no f****** way the Vietnamese were going to let *anyone* - be it French, Chinese or American interests get in the way of their self-determination.
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Crashman09 Mar 30, 2026 +29
To add, they sure love inventing reasons (cuz communism/socialism) to invade, overthrow the leadership, destabilize the society, create insurgencies, and finally, the cherry on the top, lose to said insurgencies they created. All so a few assholes can make a buck. I really do wonder how things would have turned out if America never did the things it did post WWII.
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chunkerton_chunksley Mar 30, 2026 +36
Lots and lots of indirect interference though. By 1954 we had spent a billion dollars on the French war effort, and we almost immediately began CIA campaigns as soon as Vietnam got their independence.
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PIK_Toggle Mar 31, 2026 +7
Dulles and Ike pushed for France to stay and fight in India-China. We certainly weren’t ambivalent about the situation.
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iMatt42 Mar 31, 2026 +9
To be clear the United States had its own little empire but called everything “territories” instead of “colonies” the distinction being that the US didn’t want to rule people but just wanted the land and resources. The specific product they were after was guano which is high in nitrogen and made a great fertilizer for the farmers until Fritz Haber invented anhydrous ammonia (that’s a whole other ball of wax).
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HumaDracobane Mar 31, 2026 +7
To put an example of that, Spain has several enclaves in Africa that had been part of the Kingdom of Spain for more than 500 years, like Ceuta and Melilla. None of them are covered by NATO.
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One_Hot_Doggy Mar 30, 2026 +260
I deployed with NATO during the second gulf war. Plenty of coffins from our NATO allies would counter the argument that they haven’t done anything. The soft memory of those that have forgotten when NATO came to our call is just sad
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mynx79 Mar 30, 2026 +82
I think she meant it in regards to Iran. NATO isn't helping with the current situation in the middle east. Without question, when the US invoked article 5 after 9/11, there were MANY NATO allies involved that the current administration seems to have forgotten about.
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Minimum_Virus_3837 Mar 30, 2026 +23
Trump wasn't involved in government then so his Swiss cheese looking brain doesn't care about or recognize that.
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OneTripleZero Mar 31, 2026 +27
He can't even remember what he did the last time *he* was involved in government. No chance he'd know what happened when he wasn't.
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ceelogreenicanth Mar 31, 2026 +37
NATO joined in the First Gulf war as well, but it.qasnt driven by treaty obligations.
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IDidYour Mar 31, 2026 +30
That was likely mainly thanks to the UN, there likely would've been more reluctance without a resolution there, but obviously a big part was to keep on the good side of the Americans. This time around, everyone knows there's no way to keep being on the good side of the Americans short of petitioning their annexation into the US, there's just no way to even consider them as reliable geopolitically after they spent a year threatening their closest allies with war.
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ceelogreenicanth Mar 31, 2026 +10
Sad part is even if leadership changes we are 30 years before we get past this and only with a return to consistency. Strategically it might be a heal turn but for what? We are kind of stuck with it. Americans cannot comprehend what's going on even U.S. liberals don't understand the catastrophe unfolding they're naive and myopic to how cataclysmic this is to our world position. The left keeps talking like we go back to normal. Nothing is "normal" and it's not going to be. They have their heads in the clouds. It's like the U.K. left is the same way. They don't see what's under way. They don't see what has to be done. Democracy is being destroyed by the fact that no one puts country before money and as long as money can enter they can be corrupted. They're is not belief left in the West. Only money and complaints.
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Armodeen Mar 31, 2026 +11
Trump really has ushered in the demise of American global dominance. He’s then going to f****** die and leave everyone else paying the price of his narcissism and straight up idiocy.
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A_Nonny_Muse Mar 31, 2026 +48
It's all propaganda. They want to push a narrative that justifies their withdrawal. They've already decided to withdraw. They're just trying to manufacture an excuse they can sell to the American people.
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manatwork01 Mar 30, 2026 +307
Your mom is an idiot.
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mynx79 Mar 30, 2026 +137
I prefer to say she's ill informed. She is my Mom after all.
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Harrycover Mar 30, 2026 +159
Now that you informed her. Did she change her mind?
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mynx79 Mar 30, 2026 +153
I'm not sure actually. She did ask me today whether something she watched on YouTube was truth or not because she hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere else. While I didn't ask her if her opinion of NATO had changed right after explaining it's function to her, she did surprise me asking about YouTube. She's been watching some crazy shit channels on there, so it's a positive step that she's not believing everything as fact.
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PixeldamageDotNet Mar 30, 2026 +52
Good on you. We all need to look out for each other. We’re in an age of propaganda that is so many times more powerful than anything previously. The fact your mom is even questioning sources is so important. I wish more of us were taught bias and propaganda at school (in a genuine way like showing the same events written about from opposing viewpoints).
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SCP106 Mar 30, 2026 +53
that's at minimum a good thing to hear for sure
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ThrowRA_EducatedMan Mar 30, 2026 +18
The great thing about YouTube is the more PsyOps videos you watch, the more PsyOps videos it serves you! /s
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butterflyhole Mar 30, 2026 +46
My mom is similar. She’s liberal but constantly falls for fake news and ai bullshit on Facebook. She’s trying but this stuff is especially hard for old people.
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TheBleeter Mar 30, 2026 +14
Secretly subscribe her to David Pakman or something. Slowly reorganise her algorithm.
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The_Corvair Mar 31, 2026 +8
> She's been watching some crazy shit channels on there, so it's a positive step that she's not believing everything as fact. I have some family that actually is slowly being driven crazy because they lack the media literacy required to navigate the net. They're old-school "what is printed must be true"-heads, and the sheer amount of sensationalist mis-framing, misinformation, and disinformation, has actually started to make them question their sanity. Like, they have actually started to lose their frame of "normality" to an extent where they themselves resolved to just f*** out of social media altogether. Every time, every issue, I come back to a)we need better education, and b)we need actual *functioning* guard rails. And we need that fast, because between weaponized social media, coporate press, and LLMs, I can't see a bright future for an informed, self-actualized, and *capable* average human any more.
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Agreeable-Cup-6423 Mar 30, 2026 +9
The United States is the only country to have ever officially invoked Article 5 of the NATO treaty. It was triggered on September 12, 2001, less than 24 hours after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. While the article is the cornerstone of the alliance—stating that an attack on one member is an attack on all—it has only been used this one time in NATO's 77-year history. Remind your Mom the actual facts about the history of NATO
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PleasantWay7 Mar 30, 2026 +757
“Morons, they are following orders perfectly.” -Putin
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Motor_Bit_7678 Mar 30, 2026 +133
Exactly agent Krasnov carrying out his boss order perfectly.
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TheKillingJoke1991 Mar 30, 2026 +47
The champagne cork popping that's going on in the Kremlin right now can be heard from 1400 miles away.
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MiamiVicePurple Mar 30, 2026 +291
It’s actually insane how stupid they are. They’ve spent the last 12 months bullying allies with tariffs and insulting our armed forces, many of which fought and lost soldiers in Afghanistan. And then they’re surprised when no one will help them out next time.
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onarainyafternoon Mar 30, 2026 +200
Personally speaking, I have found MAGA really struggles with the idea of cause-and-effect. I don't know if it's because their whole worldview is "Might Makes Right", but it's like they only understand things that can be done with force. The second someone has to actually sit down and work out a deal, the great dealmaker Trump completely collapses like a house of cards because he doesn't understand that deals can be favorable to both sides. Literally, he does not believe in deals where all parties get something favorable out of them. This is possibly the worst kind of person you can have at the head of the most powerful office on Earth.
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Luster-Purge Mar 30, 2026 +65
Trump didn't even know how the presidency worked, he didn't even WANT to become president initially - he wanted to make his own version of Fox News using the presidential campaign as a springboard. He looks *miserable* in photos taken of him immediately after winning the 2016 election. The only reason he did round 2 is a combination of being eternally assmad that he LOST the reelection bid (still bitching about 2020 *to this day*) and hiding in the presidency to escape all the fun legal shit waiting for him to leave office while alive.
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HaximusPrime Mar 31, 2026 +13
30 seconds into his speech in 2016 you could tell he didn’t think he was going to win.
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Luster-Purge Mar 31, 2026 +5
I didn't even bother listening to him back then and he's only gotten more annoying in the decade since
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myredditlogintoo Mar 30, 2026 +9
Just imagine how stupid you have to be to think that Trump is smart. Do you think it's worthwhile spending the time talking to these people?
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GenericRedditor0405 Mar 30, 2026 +28
This is what happens when you have an idiot in charge who only understands brute force. Trump thinks that everyone else should do what he wants because he has the weight of the American military behind him, and his administration reflects that at every level. It’s like walking into a bar and being a massive d*** to everyone just because you’re open carrying a gun and most people don’t want to risk a fight for obvious reasons. There are a thousand easier and more practical ways to approach the situation but all Trump thinks about is how strong he feels and his entitlement to power. He doesn’t think he needs anybody until he does, and then he gets pissy that his actions have consequences
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nomadtales Mar 30, 2026 +13
It's their initial hubris in thinking they would not need anyone's help.
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P2029 Mar 30, 2026 +85
Literally the greatest lasting alliance in the history of humanity. Thrown away by a gang of pedophiles, shameless opportunists, liars, thieves, felons, and traitors. 
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ceelogreenicanth Mar 31, 2026 +16
Thrown away with at best zero plan. I am starting to think the tech Oligarchs don't have a plan. I talk to tech bros and they still look up to these guys like they know anything. It's getting more baffling by the day. If we need so much compute and so much energy to make AGI then why are we bombing the energy supply and getting the manufacturers of all the compute invaded? And that's even works. We are well into diminishing returns now and the products still don't work outside of heavily designed scenarios. It will do some of the things they're saying but they are nuking their path to what their promising. And they aren't even profitable. The only thing that can do xplain their position is they are deliberately destroying America to do the Russian Oligarch plan, or basically the IMF refinance plan on the United States. The best part is that plan makes for a much weaker divided and und developed nation.
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chaotic-kotik Mar 31, 2026 +8
NATO will definitely outlast US involvement in it.
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Protean_Protein Mar 30, 2026 +27
That implies that they aren’t doing this on purpose with full understanding of the implications. They know exactly how this looks and don’t care because it’s what they want to happen.
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Spoztoast Mar 30, 2026 +5
They're not idiots They're evil corrupt and self-serving. Get f****** rid of them
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tecdaz Mar 30, 2026 +1742
Walks into a club, insults and threatens everyone there, tries to steal stuff, pushes people around, starts a fistfight, says everyone else lacks merit
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oldbutfeisty Mar 30, 2026 +174
Indeed. And the people in the club have had their backs in the past, many times. They don't want to join an illegal war. That's actually a good thing, isn't it? Perhaps that's the issue. Those pesky laws...
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TheHumanGnomeProject Mar 30, 2026 +47
They actually stole stuff too. I think the Fins are investigating.
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GreenElectronic8873 Mar 30, 2026 +18
Goes home, shits their bed
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Dependent-Entrance10 Mar 30, 2026 +4132
NATO is a defensive alliance. The US launched an unprovoked attack on Iran, NATO has no obligation to help and it shouldn't. Hope this helps
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PineappleHairy4325 Mar 30, 2026 +1204
Not only that, there was no formal request for support, as far as I am aware. It's all about advancing the narrative.
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upboat_consortium Mar 30, 2026 +277
And not only that there’s very intentional geographical limitations to the alliance. It was to prevent the US from being dragged into a colonial war(fat lot of good that did in hindsight), but it cuts both ways.
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psymunn Mar 30, 2026 +158
And also, the US threatened to invade a NATO member less than 2 months ago
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socialistrob Mar 31, 2026 +56
And also Trump has made it very clear that he views Russia as "Europe's problem" and openly cast doubt on whether he would defend Europe from a Russian attack. If Europe can't count on the US for assistance then why would they deplete their own military stockpiles for the US's war. It degrades their security while getting nothing in return.
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MysteriousQuote4665 Mar 31, 2026 +8
Because Trump didn't realize Iran would be a quagmire after EVERY US general or military expert telling him so. Ergo he never cared about Europe until Iran punched him straight in the face and showed he can't just casually conquer there. Now he wants Europe to help like a crying school bully going around trying to get support to beat up on the kid who finally fought back.
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euph_22 Mar 30, 2026 +122
Nevermind that this administration has been pissing over the memory of NATO and other allies who fought and died in US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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WeirdSysAdmin Mar 30, 2026 +51
I’m still blown away that he said they stayed off the front lines.. in an asymmetric war zone. While in reality many of them decided to operate out of safe houses rather than bases and were the easy targets for insurgents.
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paupaupaupaup Mar 30, 2026 +23
Its an easy mistake to make if you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
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Frowny575 Mar 30, 2026 +16
I'm still trying to figure out if this was due to ignorance, malice or both. Don't know about the other countries off the top of my head, but I know the UK took the lead in Helmand... famously a huge hotbed for Taliban activities. In that region they WERE the frontline and we mostly gave air support.
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Tiernoch Mar 31, 2026 +18
The first Canadian casualties in Afghanistan was to American friendly fire if I recall correctly.
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in2the4est Mar 30, 2026 +20
Can't sell more military equipment (meaning more $ pumped back into the US) if NATO doesn't participate.
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Gogogrl Mar 30, 2026 +10
Especially when many NATO members are poking elsewhere for weapons in the first place, now that the US has signalled the end of allyship.
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laptopAccount2 Mar 30, 2026 +14
We only do indirect, passive aggressive whining now.
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Saneless Mar 30, 2026 +7
Yeah I thought sundowning crying rants on Xitter were as good as a formal request?
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AvailableCap4127 Mar 30, 2026 +272
The same reason the US didn’t help Britain in the Falklands. Maybe they should remind Trump of that. Article 5 has conditions and the US is no where close to meeting them. The Art of the Deal - to read what the contract says.
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Financial-Bed7467 Mar 30, 2026 +67
Also them selling bombs and equipment to Argentina. Or bankrolling the IRA for decades.
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Saneless Mar 30, 2026 +18
Trump only reads articles about himself so he definitely bailed 2 sentences into Article I
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GeoLogic23 Mar 30, 2026 +90
Putin is just trying to justify the war in Ukraine with this. If Trump make NATO seem like an offensive threat, Putin's nonsense reasons for invading Ukraine gain credibility.
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sky_concept Mar 30, 2026 +17
Neither russia or the US have any credibility left. 
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GoodShitBrain Mar 30, 2026 +36
They also threatened Denmark not long ago. Why tf should they help the US
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NMe84 Mar 30, 2026 +17
Blowing up NATO is exactly why Putin helped Trump win the election. Iran is just collateral.
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IssaScott Mar 30, 2026 +18
Yep. On the plus side, it is proving that it is, in fact, a defensive alliance.
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TyphonNeuron Mar 30, 2026 +45
Yep, everything is clear, there's nothing more to this.
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Oldass_Millennial Mar 30, 2026 +103
An unprovoked attack that nobody in NATO asked for. 
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Particular-Cow6247 Mar 30, 2026 +77
and no one knew anything about...
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HossDog2 Mar 30, 2026 +67
They also launched a war with such ferocious incompetence and arrogance ignorance, that even if there were merits for joining… would you want to commit your men’s lives to an operation overseen by Trump and Hegseth? Literally every non-us commander is screaming at their politicians to stay away…
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Oxbix Mar 30, 2026 +17
What?? Apart from the Hormuz clusterfuck why wouldn't we work with Pete "Rules of Engagement are woke" Hegseth or Donald "bomb desalination plants as a good bye" Trump?
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SoulBonfire Mar 30, 2026 +33
“Ferocious Incompetence” - this term sums up perfectly this current US government.
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Kind-Handle3063 Mar 30, 2026 +11
Without consulting NATO allies either
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Jellicent-Leftovers Mar 30, 2026 +20
Finland should launch a few drones at Russia and ask US for assistance.
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FrankSamples Mar 30, 2026 +8
There's not even an obligation to help defend. It just means an attack on one is an attack on all. And provides guidance for countries to act accordingly
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cyb3rg0d5 Mar 30, 2026 +7
You forgot… *Thank you for attending to this matter.*
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wosmo Mar 30, 2026 +6
There's only one way this would qualify for NATO action - and that's if Iran was a member.
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King_Fisher99 Mar 30, 2026 +5
Thank you for your attention to this matter
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flirtmcdudes Mar 30, 2026 +464
They don’t even know how NATO works
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Loves-Me-Not- Mar 30, 2026 +348
They know how NATO works. They’re doing this (despite knowing how NATO works) as pretext to try to leave it, or not honor it when Russia moves on the baltics. As to why they’re doing it, ask yourself, who benefits? F****** treason.
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generally-speaking Mar 30, 2026 +103
Yeah, if it's planned it's a sinister one.. First attack your allies economically. Then threaten to attack NATO allies. Then insult their previous contributions to the alliance. Then start a war you know no one will want anything to do with. At a time you've basically made it impossible for your European allies to help with it. And then when they refuse to help you after you insulted and threatened them, try to leave NATO. I'm also guessing they're hoping that Iran will attack the US so they can use Article 5. Which will then be rejected due to the US being the aggressor in the conflict. But then they will use those rejections as a way to attack NATO in the future.
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01209 Mar 30, 2026 +40
It's almost like Putin is following a recipe. Ask your favorite LLM for a summary of "Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia" by Aleksandr Dugin (1997)."
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RttnAttorney Mar 30, 2026 +21
I don’t get why there isn’t pushback from businesses(especially the defense contractors), that this is an untenable business environment being created and expanded. They’re all forgetting that without people to sell things to, how the f*** does one make any money?!
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Electrical-Lab-9593 Mar 30, 2026 +15
because Trump is king like now, if they did he would try to cancel any contracts that are not completed. Trump is a massive threat to the US and to world peace.
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TeaAndLifting Mar 30, 2026 +13
>Trump is king like He has more power than a lot of monarchs across the world. The last year has shown that the whole "at least we don't have a king" thing Americans espouse is complete bull shit and their democratically elected and 'accountable' leaders answer to nobody.
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AllPotatoesGone Mar 30, 2026 +13
In their opinion NATO should do everything USA says like we did in Iraq. Well even for that you need at least a semi good casus belli so we can sell it to our own media that it's also our war and that we do any good there. Trump was too lazy to even give us that who is the moron right now?
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supercyberlurker Mar 30, 2026 +573
Trump helps Putin again, again.
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Spachtraum Mar 31, 2026 +81
“The Russian book from 1997 that seems to have predicted everything In 1997, Russian philosopher Aleksandr Dugin published The Foundations of Geopolitics. It became a literal textbook at Russia’s military General Staff Academy. Looking back, it reads less like a theory and more like an operational plan. The core idea: The world is a permanent war between Land Powers (Russia/Eurasia) and Sea Powers (USA/UK). Russia’s survival depends on destroying American-led global order — not through tanks, but through chaos. What it says to do to the United States: • Amplify racial, ethnic, and political divisions from the inside • Support extremist and separatist movements • Back politicians who push American isolationism and withdrawal from NATO • Sever the U.S. from its European allies What it says about the UK: Detach Britain from Europe. Destroy the transatlantic alliance by splitting its two pillars apart. Why this matters: U.S. intelligence confirmed Russia interfered in the 2016 election using disinformation and social division campaigns. Brexit happened. NATO is under more strain than at any point since the Cold War. Coincidence? Maybe. But it’s a hell of a coincidence. The book is available in English if you want to go down the rabbit hole.”
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Bwob Mar 31, 2026 +26
Here, I added some formatting to make your post easier to read: --- **The Russian book from 1997 that seems to have predicted everything** In 1997, Russian philosopher Aleksandr Dugin published The Foundations of Geopolitics. It became a literal textbook at Russia’s military General Staff Academy. Looking back, it reads less like a theory and more like an operational plan. The core idea: The world is a permanent war between Land Powers (Russia/Eurasia) and Sea Powers (USA/UK). Russia’s survival depends on destroying American-led global order — not through tanks, but through chaos. **What it says to do to the United States:** * Amplify racial, ethnic, and political divisions from the inside. * Support extremist and separatist movements. * Back politicians who push American isolationism and withdrawal from NATO * Sever the U.S. from its European allies **What it says about the UK:** * Detach Britain from Europe. * Destroy the transatlantic alliance by splitting its two pillars apart. **Why this matters:** U.S. intelligence confirmed Russia interfered in the 2016 election using disinformation and social division campaigns. Brexit happened. NATO is under more strain than at any point since the Cold War. Coincidence? Maybe. But it’s a hell of a coincidence. The book is available in English if you want to go down the rabbit hole.
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geomaster Mar 30, 2026 +240
just on schedule as anyone predicted insulted allies pissed off allies who offered help then asks for help and is declined blames nato creates fake justification to leave nato defensive treaty when this moronic administration invaded. donald trump is a russian asset he has screwed over America horribly and is waiving sanctions for russian and iranian oil DESPITE that russia is providing intelligence to iranians regarding US military assets. donald really does want to make russia great again he is a traitor to the United States (and let's not forget that donald attempted a failed takeover coup to overthrow democracy in the USA as well as stole classified documents that he used for financial gain)
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Electrical-Lab-9593 Mar 30, 2026 +42
he has been saying the USA should leave NATO since the 90s at least, he has always been a danger to world peace.
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eeldraw Mar 30, 2026 +51
So... He's been saying it about as long as he's been a Russian asset.
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scmjohns Mar 30, 2026 +193
All part of the plan.
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Lt_Col_RayButts Mar 30, 2026 +55
Yes Trump (Putin) has been trying to get the US to leave NATO for ages, what difference would of helping the US make.. none.
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Jgusdaddy Mar 30, 2026 +25
The Republican Party is a KGB sleeper cell. Give me any evidence otherwise.
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ScatteredSignal Mar 30, 2026 +183
NATO came to your motherfucking aid after 9/11. Bunch of losers. F*** I hate the US government.
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Agreeable-Scale-6902 Mar 31, 2026 +46
And Canada took care of all their civilian planes during the 9/11. Add we helped to move out all their, embassy members out of Iran in the 70s.
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ScatteredSignal Mar 31, 2026 +17
F*** yeah we did. Pisses me off so bad to see our service members, current and past, get shit on like this.
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winmace Mar 30, 2026 +29
These morons have guaranteed another 9/11 with this shit they are pulling in Iran. So many people are going to be radicalised directly through this conflict or in the aftermath.
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Common_Ball2033 Mar 30, 2026 +234
It's a defensive alliance you piss ants. You are the aggressor you f****** melts.
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amkronos Mar 30, 2026 +44
This is because the Orange Idiot thinks NATO is just another military he can command. He has no concept of how it works, just that he can’t control it.
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DesignerGap0 Mar 30, 2026 +14
Probably that's why he hates it, he can't control it
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zerpa Mar 30, 2026 +109
The world has already reexamined the US's merit after 14 months of snubbing.
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Bishopjones2112 Mar 30, 2026 +35
It’s not a snub. When the states don’t talk to anyone in NATO and then at the prompting of Israel unilaterally attacks Iran during a period of negations and when everyone warned of the consequences, get fucked. NATO is a defensive organization, Iran did not attack the United States, Iran does not have nukes and was not an immediate threat to the United States or any other NATO member. Not to mention the fact that the United States has done nothing but belittle and threaten its NATO allies. So yeah Marco can come up here to Canada and sit down and we can talk about it like adults, he should bring a hat, so he can go f*** it. Also we don’t approve of helping pedophile criminals through the rest of NATO.
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DingleBerrieIcecream Mar 30, 2026 +80
If Rubio ever thought, deep down, he could actually have a good chance of a presidential run, Trump is certainly removing that possibility every day.
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TreeOfAwareness Mar 30, 2026 +30
Rubio was confirmed 99-0. In a cabinet of clowns he was the one secretary who seemed competent and serious. He's torched all that in a month.
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Dashing_McHandsome Mar 31, 2026 +10
All while wearing a pair of clown shoes
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Coffee_Transfusion Mar 30, 2026 +25
“Why won’t you help us do war crimes?!”
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TheBalzy Mar 30, 2026 +299
Just straight up treason at this point.
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SlowCrates Mar 30, 2026 +164
The passed treason a long time ago. This is gravely threatening to world stability and peace. We are all in big f****** trouble right now.
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PersonalHospital9507 Mar 30, 2026 +61
This is one of those times in history when people do not realize the gravity of the moment. This one man and so much damage. I am rethinking the "great man" theory of history. We gave the keys to our country to this man and said it's yours.
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wrong-bodied-tengu Mar 30, 2026 +55
as a european, im pretty aware of the gravity of the situation ever since george bush jr. yall may not have noticed, but under him a resolution was passed in your congress that the US can invade den Haag if a american or ally would have to show up for the international court of justice. your government has a resolution that, by law, you are allowed to invade my country. you have been 'giving the keys to your county' to war criminals for much of my life, both democrat and republican. the way was paved for Trump to have the power to do what he does, thats why it all seems to go so fast and smoothly. its been decades in the making though, but not enough people were paying attention. and now the US is still a threat to greenland. I always figured, if anyone was gonna start a direct war with europe and invade, it be the US. I never trusted you and I was right.
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Tropicalcomrade221 Mar 30, 2026 +15
If the straights don’t open for 6 or even 12 months we are facing a serious global financial catastrophe. We are approaching something incredibly serious and like you said most are not realising it.
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BrofessorFarnsworth Mar 30, 2026 +13
The next administration better run on a platform of prosecuting everyone. F*** the usual "healing the nation" horseshit.
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Firstnaymlastnaym Mar 30, 2026 +33
We need to start sentencing and executing these stupid evil motherfuckers
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Slggyqo Mar 30, 2026 +42
It’s a defensive alliance, not a suicide pact.
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DesignerGap0 Mar 30, 2026 +3
💯 correct
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Needle_Bearings Mar 30, 2026 +21
1. Defensive pact 2. Was there any requests in writing besides Social Media? 3. NATO leads operations, it doesn't follow orders from th US. 4. What is the goal specifically other than to manipulate the stock market? 5. I thought the war is over and the US won.
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SilveryDeath Mar 30, 2026 +114
NATO is a defensive alliance and that doesn't apply when the US decides to attack someone unprovoked. I know Trump's dumbass doesn't know that, but Marco clearly knows it and it peddling dear leader's bullshit.
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someguyfromsk Mar 30, 2026 +43
NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization, you absolute f****** idiots. It is not there to follow you into the world's dumbest war YOU started.
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knottyvar Mar 30, 2026 +13
NATO is a defense pact.
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Vault101Overseer Mar 30, 2026 +13
You mean NATO, the DEFENSE pact? Trump and his circus of idiot clowns can’t end fast enough.
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Most-Artichoke6184 Mar 30, 2026 +14
It’s not a snub. NATO is a purely defensive alliance.
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super_fallguys Mar 30, 2026 +23
Worst Secretary of State in recent memory.
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ARobertNotABob Mar 30, 2026 +57
Fine. Let them go, it was always on the cards with Trump. Disband it. Create a new European defence alliance, include Canada, Australia, and Ukraine. Meantime, guns & bullets, we/they need to churn them out in quantity, home-grown. If there's *going* to be a shooting war with Russia, as seems apparent, let's be armed when they come.
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TheKillingJoke1991 Mar 30, 2026 +35
Can't wait to see the look on the faces of these grifting dorks when the realization dawns on them that leaving NATO means they might lose most of their European bases, effectively diminishing their power projection.
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jimicus Mar 30, 2026 +28
I gather a large chunk of the US military likely voted for this clown. So - clearly this is what they want.
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SgtBaxter Mar 30, 2026 +7
nothing‘s going to dawn on them. They don't want those bases. More troops abroad means less at home to control Americans.
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Ferelwing Mar 30, 2026 +8
Most of them haven't figured out and don't realize that all of their resupply capability and repairs which allows them to rapidly return to their "fronts" in the Middle East etc are because of military bases located across Europe. They also don't realize that if they no longer get to use those and we no longer are willing to supply them with *anything* nor help them refit *anything* that makes them weaker not stronger. They also don't seem to be aware that their overall ability to "see" things are directly reliant on European partners.. Why? They've been told a story about how everything is all about them and everywhere else is just along for the ride.
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sachiprecious Mar 30, 2026 +11
How dare NATO not give us the help we actually don't need anyway!! Traitors!!!
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doxxingyourself Mar 30, 2026 +8
“Snub”? It’s a defensive alliance you moron
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random_encounters42 Mar 30, 2026 +9
Great, exit NATO, leave the middle east, then everyone can just trade oil in their preferred currency and the US can tariff itself out of relevance. The US spends billions on war not for other countries, it's to defend the petrodollar. Please leave. Europe can take care of Russia.
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RepulseRevolt Mar 30, 2026 +18
They want us to die for their stupidity
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Illustrious-Job-6390 Mar 30, 2026 +18
Ah so you suck at wars that you created and now you're taking your ball and going home.   I hope everyone knows that the US leaving Nato will never happen. 
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randm204 Mar 30, 2026 +17
Makes sense, Putin's been against NATO for decades. No joke, everything the US is doing is helping Russian interests.
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altafitter Mar 30, 2026 +6
America is run by complete morons. They intentionally started trade wars with all their allies, effectively isolating themselves.. and then wonder why nobody is rushing to their aid?
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trunksshinohara Mar 31, 2026 +7
All nato members should just form nato 2. With everything the same but without the USA. 
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craignumPI Mar 30, 2026 +8
NATO doesn't go to war on some buffoons hunch (lie). We still remember iraqs WMD's that we're travelling around on a train, yet never found.
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hellranger788 Mar 30, 2026 +7
When the defensive alliance isnt an offensive alliance. Who wouldve thought all that shit talking our allies and even threatening annexation would bite us in the ass.
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bicycle-made-for2 Mar 30, 2026 +8
Maybe NATO should reexamine the USA role after them handing information to the Russians regarding Ukraine and attacking Iran when still negotiating with them.
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WetFinsFine Mar 30, 2026 +9
to be clear, the US has failed NATO, not the other way around
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Kijimea0815 Mar 31, 2026 +6
US shall reexamine what NATO actually stands for and who helps whom in the past. Man the US truly is the worst "friend" you could have.
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Trick_Definition2478 Mar 31, 2026 +8
NATO is a North Atlantic defense treaty, not a 'Global Strike Force' for whenever the White House decides to bomb an ammunition depot in Isfahan. You can't call it a 'snub' when allies refuse to participate in a war they didn't agree to and that is actively destroying their own economies through fuel inflation. Re-examining the 'merit' of the alliance because you didn't get your way in the Middle East is short-sighted and dangerous.
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kridenow Mar 30, 2026 +23
We Europeans are re-examining NATO's merit since a moment already.
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MagicBoyUK Mar 30, 2026 +13
F*** off. Starts an illegal war like a moron to distract from the President's paedophilia then expects the rest of NATO that they've been slagging off and tariffing for over a year to bail them out when it goes sideways. It's a defensive alliance, dipshit. GTFO.
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Brilliant_Version344 Mar 30, 2026 +36
lol you insulted nato allies war dead in Afghanistan, never consulted with them when before starting this war, threaten Greenland and slap tarrifs on them and you expect them to join an illegal war ? 😂😂😂😂😂 nato is for the North Atlantic not the Middle East
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Wizchine Mar 30, 2026 +6
This was all desired from the start. The current administration seems to be hellbent on destroying all soft power, alliances, and now even hard power. If a Democratic administration did half the stuff this administration did, conservatives would be foaming at the mouth calling them "traitors." But...silence.
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taisui Mar 30, 2026 +7
NATO is a defensive alliance you f****** idiot Rubio.
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PreacherCoach Mar 30, 2026 +5
Oh my goodness God, these folks just keep getting stupider and stupider. These magnificent idiots thought if they START a war, NATO would help defend them. AMD THEY ARE SAYING SO OUT LOUD! I mean I knew they did not have sharp knives down there, but they must owe a bag of hammers an apology. And I live next to this freaking country....
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firefighter26s Mar 30, 2026 +6
I kind of want to see NATO say something like *"Ok, US, you're out of NATO. You got two weeks to remove all your stuff from all the NATO bases and you'll need to negotiate your own transportation rates if you want to use local rail, shipping or storage; anything remaining after two weeks becomes property of the host country. Also, hey all you all other countries in the world who are tired of the US, do you want to join NATO?"*
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virtue_of_vice Mar 30, 2026 +6
So the US creates a situation for which NATO was not intended as an excuse to quit NATO. This tracks.
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Austinist Mar 30, 2026 +6
Putin's investment continues to pay off.
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Dr_Blitzkrieg09 Mar 31, 2026 +6
They’re gonna reexamine a defensive alliance when they attacked another country? What is there to reexamine?
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Riman-Dk Mar 31, 2026 +5
Gather your old friends, slap them, insult them at every step, threaten them, back out of every agreement, extort them for money any goods, go make a mess somewhere uninvited and throw a fit when they don't automatically, immediately, come to your rescue. Yeah. By all means. Reevaluate - and kindly f*** off! With "friends" like you, who needs enemies?
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TehLordAdmiral Mar 31, 2026 +6
A proper education in the US could have prevented these idiots. Instead. There is an orange control-freak running a country in the world. USA is a country filled with terrorists now. (Not all of you, but those who support this bullshit)
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mockfu Mar 30, 2026 +6
If they leave under Trump NATO can add a shit load of conditions for America to be allowed back in once it grows up into an adult country.
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DanDanDan0123 Mar 30, 2026 +5
Didn’t Congress pass a law the President can not leave NATO? Signed by President Biden?
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radium_eye Mar 30, 2026 +4
It's like before anything they do, they ask, how could I make this the most worse possible
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Univeralise Mar 30, 2026 +5
Just like pretty much every western nation is reexamining their relationship with the US since Trump.
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Condorz1 Mar 30, 2026 +5
Anyyyway, Epstein Files...
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SelectionDue4287 Mar 30, 2026 +4
Ah yes, said the only country in NATO that activated article 5 to this day and everyone moved in to help them.
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nokeyblue Mar 30, 2026 +5
NATO will be examining *your* f****** merits, moron.
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Marius-Petran Mar 30, 2026 +7
NATO is a defensive alliance not an aggressive one, Iran didn't hit one inch of US soil for the article 5 activation, US & Israel attacked Iran first so Europe 🇪🇺 has no responsibility.
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AusTex2019 Mar 31, 2026 +5
The problem with threatening people over and over is eventually they don’t care. Trump is like the abusive husband who suddenly discovered that his wife left him and he’s wondering why. The United States got a lot for its money supporting NATO. They had influence in not only trade deals with the US they also had influence in NATO members business interest with third countries. You think with NATO gone the US can get Europe to sanction Iran or North Korea or Russia or China? All that influence has been farted into a diaper. The next time the United States wants Europe to ban Huawei telecommunications equipment let’s see how it goes. Wait until some extremists attack a US Navy ship on a port call, see what happens. Wanna see navy enlistment down 20,000 leagues under the sea? Cancel all shore leave in Europe and the Mediterranean.
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Obversity Mar 31, 2026 +5
It’s a *defensive* security pact you fuckwits. You don’t get help when you start a war no one wanted.  
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hatesbiology84 Mar 31, 2026 +5
NATO was not formed to bully and bomb other countries. Get the f*** out of Iran and gtfo of here with that bullshit logic.
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2ndRoad805 Mar 31, 2026 +5
“We burned the bridge last year and will now declare it ineffective because, look, it’s burned.” - Donald Chump
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akaZilong Mar 31, 2026 +4
Marco, educate yourself on what the actual charter of the NATO is
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RumRunnersHideaway Mar 31, 2026 +5
Dear Rubio, Oh f*** off Sincerely, People that don’t like the taste of Trumps a******.
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iamtehryan Mar 31, 2026 +4
Here's the thing: NATO is a f****** defensive pact, you dickless, spineless petrified dog shit of a human. Trump and his racist drunk Christian crusader ATTACKED a country illegally after they illegally murdered multiple people in boats. Last I checked the enacting of NATO is if a member state is attacked, not when they're the aggressor. Dear f****** God these people are so stupid. Hey trump voters where are you at? You stoked that your daddy is bringing us closer to world war III after his whole "no more wars" stuff?
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Crafty_Ish1973 Mar 31, 2026 +4
NATO is a defensive pact. They're not obligated to send their soldiers to die because Trump's a moron.
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Apple2727 Mar 31, 2026 +4
The rest of NATO should suspend the US’ membership. It can be readmitted the next time it elects a Democrat as President. The GOP is not a serious party and America is not a serious country for as long as a Republican sits in the White House.
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1_Quebec_Delta Mar 31, 2026 +4
NATO is a defence treaty.
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Visible_Bar_623 Mar 31, 2026 +5
EUROPE snubbed the US? Are you f****** kidding me? How can you accuse someone of "snubbing" you after you sail halfway across the world, f*** up their energy supply routes without warning them, insult them, and have also threatened to invade them months before? I can't believe how backward this is. If I punch someone's wife can I accuse them of not helping me? WTF
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