It'd be HILARIOUS if there were no actual mines. 🤣😆🤣
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GoneSilent1 day ago
+11
Not one picture of a mine or reports of a ship hitting any....
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UsedToHaveThisName1 day ago
+3
Yeah, if you have a couple hundred million in ship and cargo costs to insure, the threat or possibility of mines is enough to not insure it through here.
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TheOsirisOfThisShit_1 day ago
+8
Who would get a picture of one? Scuba diving journalists?
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GoneSilent1 day ago
-10
The type of mines Iran has been shown to use float.
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TheOsirisOfThisShit_1 day ago
+4
The vast vast majority do not.
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Virtblue1 day ago
+3
Thing is they are designed to not be found so you will never really know if there are none you only ever know if there was one.
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AssociateGreat23501 day ago
+31
More bullshit pretending they can make an alternative route
"We swear it's totally going to happen this time guys"
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supercali451 day ago
+32
How can anyone trust any bullshit being put out by this Epstein Regime .. how many times you gotta get Charlie Browned
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Gecks7771 day ago
+142
The condition being, a nation with actual minesweepers comes in and does it for us, while every US ship cowers hundreds of miles away, and Trump sends constant insufferable tweets taking credit for it the whole time.
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fury4201 day ago
+23
Two of America's minesweepers have recently been repositioned from Japan, they left Singapore yesterday sailing west. (MCM-14 and MCM-9)
They also have several dozen LCS ships designed to serve the minesweeping role.
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fec22451 day ago
+13
I remember when armchair generals at least to the second paragraph of articles, now they just read the headlines and think they're experts.
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fury4201 day ago
+6
There was some recent reporting claiming Trump had decommissioned minesweepers, and it seems to have left a bunch of people with the mistaken impression that it was America's entire fleet of them.
(it was four stationed in Bahrain being transported to the USA on a barge/ship for unspecified reasons, but there were also 4 active stationed in Japan)
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TakuyaLee1 day ago
+48
You forgot the part where Trump invoices the mine sweepers, but otherwise spot on.
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Khaldara1 day ago
+44
Oh and the part five to ten years from now when conservatives don’t want to pay for the healthcare of the soldiers injured during this utterly pointless masturbatory affair.
That’s always a “support our troops” classic.
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Donnicton1 day ago
+12
And many of those soldiers still vote Republican anyway.
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Euro_Ninja1 day ago
+2
Even those that put their lives on the line sometimes make decisions that seem to be in their best interest...Perks of Populist Tin-Pot-dollar-store-dictators.
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--TheCity--1 day ago
+2
And the part where Fox tells them it was really sleepy Joe who injured those soldiers so why should hard working Americans pay for mistakes of communists.
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TheBattleGnome1 day ago
+4
Don’t forget he’ll also invoice all of the ships transiting through the strait of Hormuz. Actually he’ll have Iran rename it to “The Golden Trump International Waterway” and collect the tolls on top of the tariffs and sanction fees.
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redyellowblue50311 day ago
+4
Remember, it’s a favor.
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Shoddy-Cupcake-88551 day ago
+1
Ran should make it a condition that they remove all the mines we dropped on their country, every single one
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fec22451 day ago
Are there any mines that didn't self detonate?
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Shoddy-Cupcake-88551 day ago
+1
I’m sure there are. There’s a failure percentage even if it’s .001% that could be several thousand still active easily.
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fec22451 day ago
+1
I don't think they were that widely used, do you have any source that millions were deployed?
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Shoddy-Cupcake-885523 hr ago
+1
Just running some numbers assuming these were 1500 loadout per aircraft, and used for specific area denial there could be an upper limit of 10,000 used
The timer turns the mine off or the battery degrades within several weeks. However, the correct term is unexploded ordinance, and they can still be very dangerous if disturbed.
From what I can tell 10% or less fall into this category where an explosion is possible.
So if we only use them on specific sites for area denial, there could be 1000 land mines still active.
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011010-1 day ago
+5
Reuters has an article limit?
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Euro_Ninja1 day ago
+8
Remember in the western movies when a guy was roped behind a horse through the streets...Clear the mines with that Mango Mussolini dragged behind a tug-boat gets my vote...
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SimilarTranslator2641 day ago
+5
No you send the Iranian leaders out in remote controlled steel boats driven by families of the people they have killed. Each family gets a chance to have their name drawn to drive each boat. It all gets televised and we can place bets on Draft Kings.
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LSF6041 day ago
+5
Can do both
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ReflectedImage1 day ago
+3
The US killed them during peace negotiations, remember?
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Euro_Ninja1 day ago
+4
Nah...Mango Man\_Baby all the way...
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Euro_Ninja1 day ago
+3
*Yeeee Haaaww* \- Mango Mango Mango
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stuffedandpickled1 day ago
+5
Trump called Iran’s bluff on mines. If the US is actively clearing mines, it makes Iran’s stance weaker.
They still control it, but it’s positive news that US ships might have a chance to slowly reducing the sea mines and hopefully moving more oil through the strait.
Twist: Trump will then start charging a fee for clearing and opening the strait.
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ReflectedImage1 day ago
+4
Oil tankers require insurance to sail. You would need to convince Lloyds bank that there isn't a mine field, killer drones, missiles and people in speedboats with machine guns in the strait to get a reasonable price for the ship insurance.
Well if it's just moving oil through the strait, the quickest way to do that is for the US to withdraw and ships to pay the $1 per barrel toll (barrels go for $50 to $150 each) to go through the Strait.
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stuffedandpickled1 day ago
+4
Completely agree. Its multi layered and it doesn’t open the strait. But it is good news that hopefully the strait isnt a sea of death bombs. We never know what the real news out there is these days, but if a Us ship sailed in and out ok. Its better than nothing.
Trump might try hard to get in on the toll booth action.
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OldLondon1 day ago
+3
The strait isn’t only controlled by mines.
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Xivvx1 day ago
+2
That's going to be a long operation.
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TeslaSD1 day ago
+5
It’s bs. As long as Iran has drones and a spotter on the coast,they can take out anything moving through the straight.
To insure safe passage, the US would need to control the entire coast. About the distance of Boston to the NC coast.
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Affectionate-Act61271 day ago
+4
The conditions are both of those Burkes have 96 VLS cells and might be able to launch 200ish missiles, if configured for the mission by replacing tomahawks and VLA with ESSM, before having to take the long trip back to Diego Garcia to refit.
The math on this is pretty simple, the Iranians can put enough c*** in the air to deplete a Burke in a matter of hours. Two destroyers aren't setting the conditions, it's an escalation and risking the lives of sailors in hope that the Iranians will engage the ships.
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+3
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Euro_Ninja1 day ago
+2
The Mango baby never did / does
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lattice_defect1 day ago
+2
its a killbox though
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TechnicallyCreative11 day ago
+7
Ya but if we clear the mines we can avoid the natural geographic forces that funnel traffic through the. Oh wait. You're right. It's not about the mines
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jayrocksd1 day ago
+3
The fact that the USS *Frank E. Peterson* and USS *Michael Murphy* with the *Michael Murphy* turning on its AIS to say "hey I'm here" tends to show otherwise. There may have been Independence Class ships alongside to do minesweeping, but who knows.
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lattice_defect1 day ago
fair point...I meant more from sea drones though
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jayrocksd1 day ago
+1
The last Iranian sea drone was launched from about 100 yards away. Much easier to do that to a tanker than a DDG.
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anonymousasu1 day ago
+3
This is such a shit show, and Trump is an absolute dumbfuck
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Euro_Ninja1 day ago
+1
Mango mango mango
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DNAturation1 day ago
+1
Did they actually mine it? Civilian ships are traversing the strait still (with tolls).
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ReflectedImage1 day ago
+1
They didn't mine the Iranian coast line. There is a safe route through the toll booth only basically.
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MessMaximum54931 day ago
+1
Of all the ships hit so far none of them were by mines wtf is clearing the mines going to do
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
+2
Apparently there aren't that many laid. For one thing, a lot of the minelayers were sunk at the dock and also, a mass mining would mean that no-one could use the Strait at all, which means everyone loses.
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whereisyourwaifunow1 day ago
+13
the route for ships willing to pay the toll is supposedly free of mines. one purpose of the mines is to force anyone not willing to take the risk to use the narrower path
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gymAndmuthi1 day ago
+7
The places where they have laid mines basically creates a kill zone nearby the Iranian coastline, it was never intended to make the strait unusable, that would be suicide for Iran as well.
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NeedleworkerNo34291 day ago
+2
The mines are actually on the Omani side which is the traditional navigation channel. Iran wants to change that change to the Iranian side
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
-5
Can't create much of a kill zone with half a dozen mines.
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fury4201 day ago
+4
What they are saying is that the minefield pushes ships into a potential killzone off the Iranian coastline.
(Iran's minemap claims the minefield covers the center of the strait and the Omani side)
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
-1
That would take hundreds of mines. It's 24 miles across at its narrowest point. So, there's a certain bluffing there.
In any event, the bigger threat is shore-launched missiles, drones and artillery.
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ReflectedImage1 day ago
+5
Well the issue is getting ship insurance to cover sailing through a mine field. It might be a bit pricey... The toll is only $1 per oil barrel. The ship owners are just going to do the maths and pay the toll.
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
+2
That's basically a protection racket that will keep the regime in power.
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ReflectedImage1 day ago
+1
Yes but given Iran has obtained military victory in the area. Currently, Iran is able to take out 5 Gulf States within 8 hours. That's the situation on the ground if you haven't been following. Iran can make unfair and unreasonable demands.
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
+1
It can't "take out" five Gulf states in eight hours. If it tried, they would do the same back to it.
If you accede to their demands, you'll just get more demands in future.
It's like telling Ukraine to give up land to Russia - and they're providing the GCC states with anti-drone defences in return for weapons.
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Adorable-Database1871 day ago
+1
Yes those are the consequences of losing, there are no good options for the US at the moment.
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ReflectedImage1 day ago
+1
The US anti-missile systems are all down. They ran out of missiles.
Turns out trading $1.6 million missiles 1:1 against $30,000 drones wasn't a great idea.
Now the Gulf States: Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates obtain 90% of their water from 60 water desalination plants in the area.
They don't have drone defenses and Iran has thousands of kamikaze drones.
A lose of 90% of the water for those gulf states would basically end them. The gulf states don't have much in the way of their own militaries.
Iran doesn't use water desalination plants, so whilst yes it would lose electricity, it would still exist as a country at the end of the fall out.
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gymAndmuthi1 day ago
+1
Thank god the military doesn't listen to you.
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MessMaximum54931 day ago
+1
Of all the ships hit so far none of them were by mines wtf is clearing the mines going to do
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
+1
Eliminate the chance of any actually sinking. A mine hitting below the waterline does much more damage than a projectile hitting a ship that's very much equipped for fire suppression.
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P0Rt1ng4Duty1 day ago
+1
I feel like by this point we should be able to detect giant spiky metal balls using drones with specialized hardware and/or software.
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Condorz11 day ago
+1
Send old President Cheeto down there to sort it.
Sure he can carry the weight of diving suit, oxygen and poop pump for his jaffa shoot
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motohaas1 day ago
+1
Another maga concept of a plan
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HormuzVengeance1 day ago
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Hopefully it’ll be done without any major catastrophes.
The world is seeing what happens when they’ve let an illegitimate terrorist organisation (IR) control a country and its assets.
Edit: those who are downvoting me, are you downvoting because you want there to be catastrophes? Or because you wrongly believe that islamic republic is not a terrorist organisation occupying Iran?
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Agile_Resolution_8221 day ago
-1
They're anti-western third worlders shitting on the US while impatiently waiting for their green card approbation.
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HormuzVengeance1 day ago
+2
Oh, I’m fully aware.
Since the massacre in January by islamic republic, there’s been a massive media push by the islamic republic to bolster a narrative change, and they’re capitalising on the international animosity towards Trump but conflating that sentiment with support for their own brutality.
Some people are falling for it, some of it is bots on social media platforms, and some of it is people who genuinely support the terrorist islamic republic.
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CorditeKick1 day ago
+4
Pure self righteous ignorance plays a big part in this as well. A lot of people with uninformed opinions simply based their disdain for Trump.
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ReflectedImage1 day ago
It's more than that. Trump has replaced the competent military leaders with loyalist idiots.
Via the power of stupidity they have managed to lose against Iran. They were using $1.6 million dollar missiles against $30,000 drones and now the US has all but run out of missiles and missile defenses in the Middle East. Iran can basically now blow up the Gulf States, who rely on vulnerable water desalination plants for 90% of their water supply, whenever it wants.
Now the Trump team is busy playing cover up that they lost the war.
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CorditeKick1 day ago
+1
I won’t argue with your first paragraph, but your second borders on hyperbole.
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Carlosthefrog1 day ago
You do realize how the current regime got into power in Iran right ?
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HormuzVengeance1 day ago
+4
Yeah, there was a revolution that was co-opted by islamic terrorists who used that opportunity to install a theocratic dictatorship.
But for the sake of argument, let’s say that 47 years ago people chose an islamic theocracy (which they didn’t). But let’s say they did.
47 years later, in 2026 when people are demanding a change to the regime, and in response they get indiscriminately gunned down in numbers surpassing 30,000 by the “government”, with the aid of other terrorist militias that are imported by said “government”. When at the end of the massacre, the “government” goes into hospitals and shoots patients receiving medical care, shoots doctors giving medical care, and rapes the nurses.
Would you consider this as a legitimate and sovereign state? Or would you consider it as an occupying junta because it is staying in power through massacre DESPITE the Iranian peoples’ wants.
I would argue that by the massacre, the islamic republic has forfeited its sovereign immunity.
And even if you don’t take my personal view in mind; under Pillar 1 of R2P, a state’s legitimacy is conditional upon its protection of its population from crimes against humanity.
I and many other Iranians argue that a regime that treats its own territory as a battlefield against its own people is no longer a government, but a hostile occupier.
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Carlosthefrog1 day ago
The UK and US supported a coup to remove the allied government in 53...
In terms of the current government, bombing people is a sure fire way to unite them against a common enemy and make them forget their original grievances.
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Carlosthefrog1 day ago
What an eloquent argument. Thanks for the caps on STFU it made it seem like you really meant it!
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Narf2341 day ago
I feel like we’re about to get a new slogan reminiscent of “Remember the Maine to hell with Spain.”
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BlipBlapBloppityBoop23 hr ago
The U.S. is going to do a bunch of performative dance in the strait and then when things fully fall apart they’ll scurry away as Iran re-asserts control.
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