a lot of countries have orders weapons to US and paid for them : still no delivery many years later
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Positive-Road39031 day ago
+60
ask the South Koreans, they paid and got them deployed onsite, just for the US to yank them out for their own use years later.
Dont know what kind scam pact the Koreans signed, but its not unusual dealing with the US. Theres always some tripwire clause hiding
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vava26031 day ago
+30
ah yes forgot about that one . They also ask Ukraine for their patriot system….
Also switzerland they ordered F35 and patriot they never got and the US freeze their money…
In japan a recent audit flag 11B usd undelivered and paid procurements , some from 5 years ago . no wonder why australia just ordered 11 frigates from Japan last week ….
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Ippzz1 day ago
+6
Hope Australia will get its submarines some day.
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StubbornPterodactyl1 day ago
+6
Its written so that they only get sent if the US has enough Virginia subs in their own fleet.
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kumgongkia1 day ago
+4
More like a rental. They will take it back when they feel like it.
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grathontolarsdatarod1 day ago
+6
Fail to deliver.
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Prestigious-Car-48771 day ago
+2
It’s funny how he demands spend on military defence then gets pissy when the money goes to anyone but the US.
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Xylus19851 day ago
+4
Why deliver if you are already paid?
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dotBombAU1 day ago
+1
They are also pulling weapons paid for already.
No one wants US weapons anymore.
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ruledbyoligarchs1 day ago
+58
If the us cared about roc they would support them like they do Israel. But they don’t and they won’t. Roc is just another pawn.
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buyongmafanle1 day ago
+24
Yet, Taiwan does 500% more for the global economy and good of humanity than Israel does.
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Appropriate_Swim95281 day ago
+5
Just like Ukraine, should China do a hostile takeover like what the US have been saying it will do, US wouldn’t do anything aside from selling weapons. It will instead have Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, etc… support the Republic of China. Just like how we have NATO countries supporting Ukraine in their war.
Personally, I don’t think People’s Republic of China would enter into an armed conflict with RoC, the Chinese government knows what an armed conflict with their own Chinese brethren will mean and instead prefer a peaceful solution.
What I find interesting is that some social media posts based in Taiwan would state how ‘poor’ China is right now, eg: one post I read said that China is so poor right now that even eggs are a luxury items.
That to me is MAGA level propaganda. And just like MAGA things, some people will believe it.
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Seanspeed1 day ago
+1
>Just like Ukraine, should China do a hostile takeover like what the US have been saying it will do, US wouldn’t do anything aside from selling weapons. It will instead have Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, etc… support the Republic of China.
Sell weapons to who? If the US doesn't actively defend Taiwan, then it will fall in like a week. There will be no resistance to sell weapons to ala Ukraine.
If/when China decides to try and take Taiwan, they're not going to make some half assed move. They are going to throw everything at it and try and achieve as quickly as possible. The US is the only country in the world that has even a *chance* of stopping them.
This is nothing like Russia/Ukraine. China is a genuine military superpower.
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Appropriate_Swim95281 day ago
-2
Have you seen Taiwan’s terrains? To say it will fall within a week is a very misleading claim. Unless of course, the PoC is carpet bombing. Well, they did say they would do that, but so did Donald… but I don’t think bombing a country out of existence is a thing the world will tolerate.
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jinzo2221 day ago
-55
Are you dumb? USA needs Taiwan to fight China. It's similar to using Ukraine to fight Russia. This way no US military will die
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anders_hansson1 day ago
+28
I think that's what he said? There's a huge difference between how the US supports Israel and Ukraine.
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Nervous_Squirrel_1 day ago
+5
The US doesn’t support Ukraine anymore. trump stopped that.
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anders_hansson1 day ago
+5
Yes, that's true, but in a wider perspective (e.g. the last decade and the coming decade), the US policy appears to be that Israel needs to be defended at almost any cost and the US is actively participating militarily in the defense of Israel, whereas for Ukraine and Taiwan the support has been more passive (providing weapons and the like).
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inspired_apathy1 day ago
+4
USA only says they care about Taiwan. Their actions tell a different story.
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dotBombAU1 day ago
+3
The USA Trump wants more weapons sales. That's it.
However, after the US has been pulling its weapons from 'allies' no one wants to buy US anymore.
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TheGringoDingo1 day ago
+2
This is why china will “emperor’s new clothes” trump on Taiwan and he’ll talk so highly about how he got fleeced.
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Mr_Joanito1 day ago
+16
The US don't even have weapons to sell anymore, it's all spent in Iran.
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Schlonzig1 day ago
+5
So they‘re trying to blame the customer?
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Mr_Joanito1 day ago
+8
Far right nutjobs never admit they are wrong, never.
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Far-Entertainer35551 day ago
+9
It's interesting how difficult it is for most governments to persuade the public greater defence spending is needed.
You have countries like Rep Ireland and Iceland that don't even have a significant military.
I assume its difficult for many of us to imagine being threatened by a foreign military force.
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WorldTraveler_11 day ago
+3
Ireland is very similar to Austria in that they really get all the benefits of NATO, without any of the responsibility, especially after the expansion of NATO in the 1990s. Neither country is really threatened in a meaningful way by a conventional Russian attack. There’s really no need for them to join NATO or ramp up military spending in a meaningful way.
Iceland is a little different. They have always held a crucial position in the G-I-UK gap, so NATO has always been happy to provide for their defense. Also, they just don’t have the population to support a military. Most countries have about .5-1% of population in the military. This means Iceland would have about 1,500 to 3,000 people in their whole military. That’s less than a full strength brigade combat team of the US army. Iceland’s real value is as a strategic base of operations to power project into the arctic, not to fight the red army in the Fulda Gap.
Especially in democracies, people just seem to live in the boiling frog thing. As long as the problem is *over there*, people are far too happy to ignore it when the bombs are falling on someone else’s village. Hiking taxes to pay for weapons in peacetime is a reallyyyyyy tough sell to populations, but you can’t really spin up the military industrial base overnight.
A lot of governments would be arguing in committee meetings while the tanks rolled up outside.
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Green_Dream201 day ago
+7
Ireland is heading for a reckoning with the EU. They just take and take and set up tax havens for corporations. They don't have any fighter jets in their airforce, forcing the UK and France to defend against the probing Russian nuclear bombers trying to enter "the back door" via Ireland to target Paris and London.
Ireland also cannot even deploy a single useful regiment to help defend the EU.
They scream "we are a neutral country" but don't understand they can't be neutral if the EU is attacked and they are in the EU.
Ireland really needs to pull its head in and at least be able to defend its own airspace at a minimum.
I love the Irish btw, I'm amazed that the world's bar fight champions have such a small and underfunded military!
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WorldTraveler_11 day ago
+2
I mean to be fair, that is true of a lot of Western European countries. Spain loves to take the moral high ground on things, while hiding behind the rest of Europe as a shield.
However, I do agree Ireland needs to pull their head out of the sand and realize moral grandstanding doesn’t win wars.
The frog is boiling across Western Europe, and the EU will still be in committee meetings as the T-90s roll into Brussels.
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pilzenschwanzmeister1 day ago
This makes no sense. What would Ireland need to fund explicitly that would make any difference to anybody?
Not having a large military was important for not creating a feeder system to the IRA - nobody complained. All the Irish issues are with Britain and NI and pumping money in is just fuel on a fire nobody wants.
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WhyIsItGlowing1 day ago
+3
A huge amount of transatlantic cables go via Ireland and lots of AWS and Azure cloud data centres are in Ireland. It's incredibly naive to think it's not a very tempting target; one of the first things Iran blew up recently was an Amazon datacentre.
At the moment, Ireland is entirely reliant on the UK for all of this, but the UK is also stretched very thin.
For this, Ireland would need frigates with anti-submarine radar, an air-defense radar system, some anti-drone defenses, and some fighter jets to act as interceptors.
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Green_Dream2016 hr ago
+1
Ireland needs 12-20 fighter jets to intercept the Russian nuclear bombers flying over its airspace. It happens regularly. This would free up the British and French jets currently doing this.
Ireland also has to be able to commit some kind of ground forces to defend the EU front line. Even if it's not a lot of boots on the ground, they can be specialised to be good at one or two particular things that the EU needs.
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poorfririgh1 day ago
+3
I thought they were concerned about the sovereignty of Taiwan 😂
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Littleman881 day ago
+1
Rational actors are.
Corrupt actors that can be paid to actively screw over allies however...
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LiKaSing_RealEstate21 hr ago
+1
Interesting that the US is relaying the message through the according to Listnook “pro-china” opposition rather than communicating to the ruling party.
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Betteroffbroke1 day ago
+1
Could you imagine if US intelligence knew that China was going to invade Taiwan. Or if China was building a fleet of ships along the coast and doing active mobilizations that look like a coordinated tactic to block the water way or straight in anticipation for an invasion.
And then the US having an obvious invested interested in Taiwan sovereignty because they produce the chips that go into literally everything…..
It’s almost as if the US is already in a proxy war China via the war with Iran to reduce their ability to do this exact thing, on top of the whole Petrodollar side of things.
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