It’s Tuesday guys, they won’t agree anything until Thursday at the earliest to make the markets rise.
Then on Sunday they will call it off so the markets will plummet.
At this point everyone know that.
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petar_is_amazing5 days ago
+27
Doesn’t really matter if you buy and hold longer than 3 months
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cyb3rg0d55 days ago
+27
It does not, but it sure does if you are shorting a stock 😏
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ChadPowers200_5 days ago
-3
I don’t understand why people do this and lose their ass when you can just invest properly.
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Rehberkintosh5 days ago
+11
It's a much safer bet when you can manipulate the market.
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okram2k5 days ago
+2
the same reason people buy l****** tickets instead of putting money in a savings account or start up a business instead of working at an amazon fulfillment center. They dream of making it rich, not getting a tiny return.
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ChadPowers200_5 days ago
+1
I made 80k last year with my tiny return. Took 20 years but now its pumping
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petar_is_amazing5 days ago
Pretty sure everyone who upvoted this didn’t realize its sarcasm
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mf-TOM-HANK5 days ago
+27
It absolutely does matter. Anyone with a 401k or holding stocks long term is having value eroded from their account every time these people with inside knowledge profit from trades around the war, around tariffs, around whatever else
If you aren't in the know then you're a bag holder
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flirtmcdudes3 days ago
+3
Well, to be fair. The only way that hurts those is if they are retiring in the next year or two. Anyone who’s years and decades out, the market will adjust and it’ll be fine.
Or we’ll all die in ww3, either or
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petar_is_amazing5 days ago
-7
As I said, if your time horizon is more than 3 months, you’re fine.
Additionally, all trades are monitored and stored in databases for the SEC. All these “dark trades” aren’t really dark and can be tracked if needed. Don’t buy all these hype you see on the internet. (If you make the argument that this admin won’t do anything about it - sure, but the next or next next would unless all the data is wiped)
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mf-TOM-HANK5 days ago
+1
And like I said, these trades are profitable on the backs of Joe Schmo investors who have a 401k and aren't day trading. It's dipshit logic to say that insider trading doesn't hurt anybody because *maybe* the markets recover to the same point later
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petar_is_amazing5 days ago
Joe Schmo is literally not participating with his shares if he’s buying and holding. IF at the time of his retirement he wants to withdraw everything - yes, it would suck that he has to wait 3 months to 3 years (in case of a recession) but insider trading doesn’t affect him AND it is highly illegal/identifiable
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mf-TOM-HANK5 days ago
Wrong again pal. Every time Joe Schmo's shares are devalued by illegal trading he's losing future value. So when they do finally cash in their shares at retirement it's not unreasonable to assume that his account is worth less than it would be if the illegal trading were policed and prosecuted.
The profit for illegal trading has to come from *somewhere.* It's not created out of thin air.
>Joe Schmo is literally not participating with his shares if he’s buying and holding
If you're going to be wrong maybe don't be a smug prick about it. *Holding shares is participating*. Drill that into your mind kiddo
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FrismFrasm5 days ago
+2
But the crooked fucks profiting in the administration don't only manipulate prices *down*...they can make money on any price movement; they just have to cozy up to Trump/his circle to get the info early enough.
So yaboi Joe Schmo is likely riding both ups and downs as a result of this clusterfuck. And if he is anything close to a responsible investor, he is buying more every payday regardless of where prices are.
I agree with 'kiddo' here (lol), as long as Joe Schmo doesn't need that money in the next handful of years, he should be fine.
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petar_is_amazing4 days ago
+2
Thanks for your agreement, hopefully the guy finds peace
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mf-TOM-HANK5 days ago
-1
Everything is peachy until it ain't. It's not like the whole system is predicated on some small degree of investor confidence. That confidence is eroding further every day 🤷
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petar_is_amazing4 days ago
+1
Here’s the way the US stock market works - it only goes up long term and if it doesn’t, you probably have bigger problems like famine or civil war in which case it doesn’t matter
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Actual__Wizard4 days ago
-1
It's going to take a lot longer than 3 months to clear the corruption out of the market place. Try 3 decades.
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Poe_425 days ago
-8
if the pump and dump is common knowledge as everyone saying it's coming every weekend, then it's not exactly Insider knowledge
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Fuinir5 days ago
+7
The insider knowledge is knowing which sectors will move in which direction. Without that you are still just gambling on the action and outcome like everyone else.
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mf-TOM-HANK5 days ago
Braindead take
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xnmyl5 days ago
+4
It does actually. It causes investors to lose faith in the market, which means they will start moving money out
The largest institutional investors test to hild many short term positions that will be affected by insider traders
Long-term, loss of trust in the market will have significant impacts on price
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petar_is_amazing4 days ago
+3
There has never been more retail investor participation in stock markets and volume of trading being done so indicators point to it not mattering.
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Discount_Extra4 days ago
+1
now adjust for increased inflation.
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FrismFrasm5 days ago
+2
That didn't happen this Sun/Mon tho
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habitual_citizen5 days ago
+2
Pleeeaaase get me out of the broken simulation for the love of God 😭
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Particular_Force10415 days ago
+21
What a shitty site - covered in adverts
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iProXi5 days ago
-13
Who doesn’t use an adblocker / PiHole in 2026? At this point it’s on you
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SnooShortcuts7005 days ago
+56
Whats the point if JD flying to Pakistan... waste of gas imo...
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Brave-Dragonfly37985 days ago
+19
The camel skin sofa. Last round was 2 hours of shit talking and 20 hrs of romancing by the couch.
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mr_birkenblatt4 days ago
+1
*romancing the couch
FTFY
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Edward-Gentry5 days ago
Yeah, the Americans would be better served selling that jet fuel instead to the oil tankers Trump is so openly soliciting. Moar profits! Judging by what the Iranian delegation say of Vance’s preparedness, the world should prioritise conservation.
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FederalExpressMan5 days ago
+2
Could have done a zoom call
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Least1Difficulty5 days ago
+2
I doubt anyone in that administration is young enough to operate a laptop.
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survivor6865 days ago
-1
He heard that there was a rather attractive losing 'ottoman' in Pakistan...
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grassfedbeefeater5 days ago
+12
Questionable source
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Opening_Ad64305 days ago
+171
Honestly I don't know who to believe. The US has lied about the Iranians multiple times now
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knowledgeable_diablo5 days ago
+64
And not just about Iran either. The best way to tell of trump or his admin are lying is the time honoured method of “if you can hear it, it’s a lie”
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External-Praline-4515 days ago
+3
Honestly, a plague on both their houses! Both regimes are terrible. It's the ordinary people who are suffering from the consequences of their greed and oppression.
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someroastedbeef5 days ago
+20
US has always been talking to them but the listnookors always fall for the Iranian propaganda, it’s wild
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Delta27-5 days ago
+17
And you think the iranians are truthfull?
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FerretAres5 days ago
+11
> I don’t know who to believe
> So you believe the Iranians?!
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riko77can5 days ago
+2
Neither of them are…
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Leinna35 days ago
-2
The US did the sneak attack this time. Hard to trust them with anything
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SeraphOfTheStart5 days ago
-20
I think they are just wearing them down, it's evil but strategic, no one would say exact time and day they are going to strike, so; "give a date, get them tense, agree to ceasefire, make them let their guard down, breach ceasefire, say you didn't, make unreasonable requests, make them lose hope after thinking it could be over, strike, go harder, get them to ask for a deal(they need time to figure things out and recover), refuse and strike harder". Imo all this process is to get them to this "whatever you say just stop" point, but I doubt a gov that is so convinced in their righteousness that they would massacre their unarmed citizens for protesting, would ever get to that point, they probably would rather let it all burn.
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Brave-Dragonfly37985 days ago
+13
The global economy will be stone cold dead by the time any of that happens, and it generously pre supposes a strategy when none has been apparent so far. Iran has the world by the nut sack, as the global economy comes to a standstill delay and obfuscation is their weapon of choice.
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Best_Target48035 days ago
+2
If you pay attention to the source of the news, its Israel based which is all you need to know about the accuracy of the article
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rrwinte5 days ago
+2
Which part do you think is not accurate? That Iran's economy is on the verge of collapse? With a blockade in place, Iran's revenue source is cut off.
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khalidh225 days ago
+1
These days it’s propaganda everywhere, the first thing you need to check is the source of the news. I certainly would not believe anything israelhayom has to say about this war.
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tun3man5 days ago
-2
There's no reason to believe in a pedophile
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mpsteidle5 days ago
+4
Yeah ive got bad news about Iran's patriarchy.
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tun3man5 days ago
Both are wrong and it's does not make the USA the saviours
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mpsteidle5 days ago
+2
Of course both are wrong, but just going "Trump pedophile" isnt a valid reason to trust Iran when Iran is arguably worse in that regard. The state literally sponsors child marriage.
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quatroquatro05 days ago
-20
It's because the us is taking orders from israhell.
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thereoncewasahat5 days ago
-6
Trump was lucky Netanyahu didn't publicly rebuke him after setting up the peace talks.
Slave nations do NOT do such things without the permission of their owner.
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ebob4215 days ago
+6
Is that rule number one, two, or three of Art Of The Deal? Don’t begin negotiations in the first place.
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Technical-Ad34484 days ago
-2
You don't understand. Iran did what to they did to Obama and Biden. They thought Trump would be desperate to make a deal like the previous presidents. Trump said FU and wouldn't negotiate. Now Iran is scared
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HuChemistry5 days ago
+21
Immediately after the breakdown of the Iran-US talks in Pakistan, the Pakistanis began trying to arrange another meeting in Islamabad. While those efforts by the Pakistani mediators were being reported, information obtained by Israel Hayom shows that at this stage the Americans are not prepared to set another date for talks.
The US intends to fully leverage the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. Washington's precondition was the full reopening of the strait, as had previously been agreed, a condition the Iranians did not meet.
According to CNN, senior officials in President Donald Trump's administration are discussing a possible additional meeting with the Iranians, in Geneva or in Islamabad.
Rift at top of regime deepens
Iran's regime, led by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, has almost no reserves left to continue the fighting, according to assessments by diplomatic and security officials in the US and the Middle East. Those officials say the situation is expected to worsen further if the Strait of Hormuz is closed, and that Iran's political leadership is therefore likely to press the Guard's leadership to renew contacts with the US in order to secure relief.
Differences between senior Guard commanders Ahmad Vahidi and Ali Abdollahi and the civilian political leadership are deep, and growing. Their refusal to allow Foreign Minister Masoud Pezeshkian and parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf to discuss the nuclear issue without an immediate return in the form of sanctions relief was what led to the collapse of the talks in Pakistan.
Intelligence reaching the US, Israel and Gulf states involved in the issue shows that Iran's foreign currency reserves have been almost entirely depleted. The formal economy run by Pezeshkian's government is showing exceptionally high unemployment, triple-digit inflation, a currency that continues to slide and the near-total blockage of almost every source of income.
...
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[deleted]5 days ago
+12
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ShameMammoth40715 days ago
+6
On the other side the Iranian regime propaganda has been on full throttle and it keeps showing up on my feed more than American propaganda for some reason
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Anyales5 days ago
-2
Ive not really seen much Iranian propaganda to be fair, i know they would if they could but people don't really upvote Arabic (or Persian) news.
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NickelPlatedEmperor5 days ago
+5
I was thinking the same thing.
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No_Bad_4872yy5 days ago
-1
Indeed remarkable to say reserves are deleted when they are hitting targets with missiles and drones. The mentioned US and Middle Eastern experts must be really bad at their job.
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Anyales5 days ago
-2
For them to have none left that would mean the US had killed 125,000 IRGC members which is far above what is currently claimed.
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sh5455 days ago
+7
Impressive, three comments in a row all using different definition of ‘reserves’
First seemed to be talking about foreign currency reserves, second missiles and other ammunition, third military personnel.
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No_Bad_4872yy5 days ago
+3
You definitely got the gist of why the article is very poorly written. Good analysis though!
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Anyales5 days ago
-1
To be fair the article is poorly written propoganda so I could see why people could assume all 3. Though it clearly isn't true for any of them.
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scbtl5 days ago
+4
Makes some sense. Pakistan seems to have fumbled the Lebanon situation and has since come out bashing Israel. Iran likes them and the US is largely indifferent to them, but if they can't handle negotiations and cause confusion then they shouldn't be hosting.
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DriverAltruistic28834 days ago
+2
Indeed. Pakistan fumbled the entire thing. They wanted to show themselves as peacekeepers but they really got over their head with that one tweet. It really didn't help that it was the head of the state who sent out that tweet.
They even brought in a couple of musicians to play live where the negotiations was taking place. It really made the whole thing seem like they were hosting an expo or something. No air of seriousness.
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MoistAbuelita5 days ago
+2
Gas prices too high for the US to be flying to Pakistan weekly.
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Millions17175 days ago
+3
Hey now, JD Vance gave it almost a whole day, you can't expect that man to work look at his teeny ankles
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Capital-Control3084 days ago
+4
Obama spent 2 years negotiating with Iran, 6 other countries were involved, multiple experts in the face to face team and hundreds of supporter staff behind the scene. Trump has close to 100k military personnel costing upwards of $1B a day with a sofa f*****, son in law grifting and expected a deal after 1 day of negotiations. These are not serious people
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Whole_Inside_48635 days ago
+18
I’m thinking the US blocks the strait, they stop a few Chinese ships filled with Iranian oil. China gets pissed, withholds Rare Earth Minerals from being shipped to the US. Blockade returns to Iranian control, China gets its oil and Trump begs for Rare Earth Minerals.
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+76
They are already restricting rare earth minerals to U.S.
They are hesitant to restrict it fully because despite the name rare earth minerals are not hard to find, in fact U.S sends most of theirs to China for proccessing. They are fearful if impose too much restrictions they will lose the near monopoly they have on the sector
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Lase1895 days ago
-8
The processing infrastructure would take decades to be established elsewhere
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+41
It would take years not decades, especially if the government subsidized it, which would happen if China cut U.S off.
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Business_Pie_17985 days ago
-11
Nice "if"
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+25
China is not like Iran. They have actually have a lot of stake in the global economy and not as rash to do things like that lightly
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Business_Pie_17984 days ago
+1
I can tell you've read some news, but haven't given enough depth to the topic of China and rare earths.
The rare earth industry has a very low output value; it's not a profitable sector. This is why only the Chinese have been involved in this industry for the past few decades, while other countries haven't invested. The rare earth industry relies on large-scale ore smelting, and similarly, these industries only exist in China. Leaving aside theory, let's look at reality. Japan vowed to get rid of Chinese rare earths and has been pushing for it for ten years with almost no results. Therefore, neither theory nor reality supports your viewpoint.
China has already imposed an embargo on Japan and previously on the United States, yet the global economy continues to operate. The recently released report on China's import and export trade shows a significant increase, especially in electric vehicles. Therefore, your expectation is wrong; the world is becoming increasingly dependent on China's industrial system, despite China's restrictions on rare earth exports.
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[deleted]5 days ago
+4
Not to mention it's horrific for the environment.
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Lase1895 days ago
+8
Absolutely. People criticize the UK for having closed all of its manufacturing but the air is much cleaner now than it must've been back in the 70s.
The US benefits from things being built in China and India. They make things cheaper and deal with the pollutants themselves while the US sits on the dollar printing machine.
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Etherius5 days ago
+10
The US doesn’t benefit from things being made in China and India
COVID made it clear that offshoring has left massive national security gaps
When we have to activate emergency powers that allow the president to FORCE domestic companies to make ventilators and PPE, there’s a major problem
That’s why there are pushes to reshore whole industries now
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Neobullseye15 days ago
+18
Oh, the west in general absolutely benefits from 'things' being made in China, India and a whole bunch of other low-wage countries, mostly exactly because of those low wages. This means the production cost of the items go way down, meaning they can then be sold at a lower price while still making a profit, meaning they're accessible to a wider public and in larger amounts. At the same time, western countries and their population can focus on things they specifically excel at rather than spend a massive chunk of the working force on making the exact same stuff everyone else does. It only becomes a problem when the cheaply made things no longer get shipped to the west for whatever reason, there's no local production anymore to make up for it all \*and\* it's a critical resource.
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Etherius5 days ago
+6
The “benefit” is c**** goods
The trade off is we lack the ability to manufacture critical products here.
If China decides they don’t like us one day. All they have to do is cut off our supply of pharmaceutical reagents
Does that seem like a “benefit” to you? Because it seems like a gaping national security issue to me
COVID showed us that “it doesn’t matter where it’s made so long as it’s c****” is an incredibly flawed and obsolete doctrine
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Hatedpriest5 days ago
+1
It's not just where the factories are located. That's a huge hole, I'll agree 110%
It's also that the bean counters created "JIT production", removing both warehouses and extra stock (both raw and worked), removing all buffers if things aren't running smoothly across the board.
It removed incentive to purchase raw stock at low prices. If a single machine breaks down anywhere along the line, it disrupts the entire supply chain. If the supply chain breaks anywhere, everyone along it is out of work, or pushed to another line temporarily.
If there's any lasting disruption, it hits harder. Especially with supply lines running across the globe.
But, the bean counters say it's higher profit margins, less overhead.
Both of these things need to change for us to return to self-reliance.
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Etherius5 days ago
+2
The reality we have to accept is that business efficiency doesn’t always lead to strong national security outcomes
This is the fault of no one man and no one party. We, as a nation, have been digging this hole for 40 years
It’s one of the reasons the CHIPS act was so smart and why, no matter what downvotes come my way, I think the tariffs are a step in the right direction to encouraging Made-in-USA to return
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baddecision1165 days ago
-2
>I think the tariffs are a step in the right direction to encouraging Made-in-USA to return
Yet another ignorant person that doesn't understand what a tariff is.
If you want to incentive companies to produce things in the USA slapping a tax on consumers is not the way to do it. You incentive the company by subsidies. Either way consumers are going to have to accept higher prices for things. A company will choose the path of least resistance which is maintaining their production elsewhere and charging more for a product vs building something in the US and charging the same price as a tariffed product.
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Etherius5 days ago
+2
I know exactly what a tariff is and does
Stop assuming things
A tariff is an artificial increase in prices and all it is is the mirror of a subsidy
If an American company can make goods competitive with the tariffed price, they will do so.
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Etherius5 days ago
+1
Yeah it’s horrific for the environment
But we need em. And I don’t think it’s any better for the environment just by being in China
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Dr-slyDragon0075 days ago
-7
Why do you think trump wants Greenland
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+3
Because he is an idiot and wants to claim expanded the U.S the most of any president.
Even if tomorrow we somehow acquired Greenland, it would be several decades before we even considered extracting rare earth metals from it, rather than just using existing territory
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Grittenald5 days ago
+3
I don't think the rare earth metals matter too much per say anymore given the US's rare earth minerals plant is going online really soon or already is online and they brokered a massive deal with Canada to get rare earth minerals. This was an issue at one point, but less now. Also why Trump is now being more friendly with Canada.
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sharpedge_007_aditya5 days ago
+4
I dont think USA and China both would escalate things.
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Post_facto_zen5 days ago
It’s 2026 baby think again
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sharpedge_007_aditya5 days ago
+4
Okay, if you say so 👉👈
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Apprehensive-Log36385 days ago
+9
Rare earths will not inflict anywhere near the same pain as Chinas current lack of oil shipments. China has about 5-6 weeks of oil reserves left. Once they run out of oil, their economy grinds to a halt. Frankly it is in the US interests to let China burn those reserves up. If China was planning a military operation in Taiwan, that is something they will need to push back until those stock piles are rebuilt.
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Locus_In_Quo5 days ago
+1
> As of early 2026, China holds an estimated 1.2 to 1.4 billion barrels of total crude oil reserves, combining secretive strategic petroleum reserves (SPR) and commercial stockpiles. This capacity, which has expanded significantly, can cover approximately seven months of imports via the Strait of Hormuz.
Key Aspects of China's Oil Reserves:
> Total Storage: Estimates from analytics firms like Kpler and Vortexa placed total onshore crude inventories at a record 1.13 to 1.2 billion barrels by the end of 2025.
Strategic vs. Commercial: The reserve system includes government-controlled bases (primarily in coastal regions like Shandong, Zhejiang, and Hainan) and commercial inventories held by state-owned firms like Sinopec and CNPC.
Rapid Expansion: China has aggressively expanded its storage capacity, with over a dozen new underground projects scheduled for 2025-2026, adding over 150 million barrels of capacity.
Import Dependence: Despite record domestic production of 4.3 million barrels per day (about 40% of imports), China remains the world's largest crude importer, with imports often exceeding 11 million barrels per day.
Usage: In April 2026, amid a global energy crunch, the Chinese government permitted state refiners to tap into these commercial reserves to manage supply disruptions.
Proven Reserves: According to Worldometer, China holds approximately 28 billion barrels of proven, in-ground oil reserves, ranking 13th globally.
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ScottyBoneman5 days ago
4 Iran linked ships have passed through today apparently, with one being Chinese.
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Apprehensive-Log36385 days ago
+3
Ships will get thru at the start, it takes time to get assets in the region. US is not going to sink civilian oil tankers. They will interdict them with Marines, then force the ship to go to a desired port. Blockade will get tighter and tighter every single day. Regardless, China was getting dozens of shipments each day. A single boat, is not meeting Chinas daily civilian oil burn rate.
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ScottyBoneman5 days ago
-1
No, but a steady stream of tankers will unless the US takes a direct action to seize the vessel. It is definitely not 'refusing to move out of the way'.
This would be an Act of War against China so it's who is going to blink. So far today, the US.
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Apprehensive-Log36385 days ago
+3
That is not how any of that works. US has China over a barrel. US right now has the ability and capacity to enforce a blockade in the Malacca straight. If China tried to do something Militarily, US could stop ALL oil shipments going to China from international waters. US could then use any number of methods to destroy their Russian pipeline access, then wait for China's economy to starve to a grinding halt. US entire Asian posture is China containment. We do not want to get into a land war with China, we want to starve China until the population corrects the regime.
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ScottyBoneman5 days ago
+5
Whelp, we'll see. They didn't stop today's though they could have.
>US entire Asian posture is China containment.
Which would be over. South Korea and Japan have been deeply insulted and Taiwan's opposition leader has visited Beijing this week.
>We do not want to get into a land war with China, we want to starve China until the population corrects the regime.
That would be a nuclear war, not a land one.
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ScottyBoneman5 days ago
MAGA downvotes for referencing undenied reports from multiple sources including the [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cp9vm5ezxz4t)
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Dark_World_Blues5 days ago
+4
China can get oil from the other countries in the gulf. Trumps allows that to happen.
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anomie895 days ago
-2
I think the Chinese leverage Iran in that hypothetical situation moreso than the US. US economic engagement exceeds the value dependence on Iranian oil by many magnitudes. they like the US f****** themselves up with this ridiculous situation but they aren't on Irans side, moreso Iran is a useful tool
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Etherius5 days ago
+7
Everyone is a useful tool to the Chinese. Even their own people
That’s nothing unique to China
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Darrenizer5 days ago
-1
Most recent reports are ships under US sanctions are just ignoring the Americans.
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Sea_Analyst_95815 days ago
-4
If the US seizes Chinese ships, that is an act of war. In that case, China would likely take harsher measures against the US, such as limiting rare earth elements.
EDIT:
Chinese tankers already passed through the strait without intervention by the US Navy.
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Mr-Lungu5 days ago
-1
Or flood the market with US bonds
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Brave-Dragonfly37985 days ago
-5
I wouldn’t be surprised if China e****** their ships. They have destroyers to do it, and what the US is doing is illegal piracy. Then it will come down to what the US will do about it. Could get spicy.
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AlmostHeisman5 days ago
+3
Lol nothing Iran has done was piracy but the US is your perpetual big baddie 😂 ridiculous
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CreativeShame-15 days ago
+13
BUT IRAN IS WINNING!!!! According to Listnook
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Just_Pea10025 days ago
+8
Nope, just that Trump isn't winning either, you can have a situation were no one party is winning in a situation. Obviously too hard for you to comprehend though.
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NeuroticDream5 days ago
+11
It's from an Israeli news source ofc it would be biased
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supercali455 days ago
+14
Your wallet ain’t winning
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rich84easy5 days ago
+2
Neither is yours, we are all in this together?
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the1blackguyonreddit5 days ago
-11
Clearly they are, but that doesn't mean they aren't getting pressure from other world powers (e.g., Russia, China, etc.) to put an end to the conflict.
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islandsimian5 days ago
Putin is wearing the crown on this one
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HarEr895 days ago
+4
And in a few hours Donald TACO Trump will announce new talks on Thursday.
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+6
Iran underestimated U.S stubbornness.
If we are going down, we are taking you with us. F*** this war
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Sid-Hartha5 days ago
+10
Americans can’t take a lot of pain. They voted this buffoon in because the price of eggs was too high.
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+9
Bro did you forget about Iraq and Afghanistan?
U.S is no stranger to enduring long wars
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Sid-Hartha5 days ago
-1
Neither of those wars had the potential for ordinary US citizens to be paying $6 gas. They’d fold in months.
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+15
You must be young. Gas prices skyrocketed after U.S invaded Iraq
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Sid-Hartha5 days ago
-10
Age irrelevant. Facts remain. US won’t last long in this war with oil at $150 a barrel. Could get to $200 if this escalates. Iran geographic leverage much higher than Iraq’s.
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+3
U.S is the number one producer of oil, none of which relies on shipments leaving the region.
Do you want to guess what percent of Iran's economy depends on ships leaving the region?
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Sid-Hartha5 days ago
+7
Oil price is set globally. Makes no difference if you’re a big producer. Gas still hits $6 a gallon if this escalates. Iran can take a lot more pain than USA. That’s the point. You think even the mass of anti regime population welcome being bombed by USA and Israel? Nope.
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+2
>Oil price is set globally.
adorable, you think oil is a freely traded community
Many countries have already set a limit or even straight up banned their oil exports after the war started. If oil prices ever get high enough, Trump has that magic card up his sleeve.
It is not recommended though, because it adds gasoline to the fire (pun intended). While prices would dramatically decrease in U.S, they would skyrocket elsewhere and cause a global shortages.
Furthermore you have addressed the elephant in the room, how does Iran economy last without their sea trade routes?
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Sid-Hartha5 days ago
+6
The gov can subsidise gas prices. See how much that will cost them in a free market. A USA oil producer can sell for $200 a barrel but is being forced by Trump admin to sell for $100 or the gov is paying out hundreds of billions subsidising it. Best Trump comes out of this with is another version of the JCPOA which he tore up and then torched relationships all over the world. China is now viewed more favourably globally that USA. Viewed as a stable partner. Trump is a moron and so are his supporters.
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impioussaint5 days ago
+4
Here's the thing the Iran economy was already fucked before this. SO f****** it more for the IRGC doesn't matter. The IRGC doesn't care about the economy of Iran it cares about surviving to rule the country. ITs previously fucked economy, its capital running out of water and million protesting didn't topple it, further f****** the economy doesn't either. If the People of Iran don't like it the IRGC can just murder them, if the people of the US don't like it trump to some extent has to act. Iran has a stronger will because fundamentally the IRGC doesn't give a f*** about its own people.
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IZ38205 days ago
+1
Then why do we import so much oil?
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Remote-Cause7554 days ago
+1
Because we have excess supply and are mostly free market. Stop waisting my time with bad questions
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IZ38204 days ago
We import oil because we have excess supply? Bad explanation, bad understanding
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mpsteidle5 days ago
Yeah history disagrees with that.
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Iconic55 days ago
+1
Are you really comparing the war after 9/11... to this lol?
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Remote-Cause7554 days ago
+1
Vietnam? We were there a f*** ton of time, what excuse you going to pull out your ass this time?
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Speky_Scot5 days ago
+1
What are they going to do? Vote him out? Lmao
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theixrs5 days ago
+2
Depends if they can last the 90 day window, because it’s highly likely the US will not vote to continue. It’s not a very popular war at all.
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Mr-Lungu5 days ago
+2
Mm, yeah, I call bullshit.
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caffcaff_5 days ago
+2
"Sorry Iranian bros, can't make it this week for talks, made other plans already. We're totally not moving marines and missiles around and restocking Patriot and THAAD throughout the region."
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MariusBerger8325 days ago
+2
Yeah not going to believe Israeli press… 🤣
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Difficult_Main_56175 days ago
+1
I mean it is a long flight.
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Shadowlance235 days ago
+1
Vance used up his points on the last flight.
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Alert-Commission-7294 days ago
+1
Pakistan is a failed nation.
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MtnDewDiligence5 days ago
-7
Ah yes, truth is always the first casualty of war.
Come off it, it’s wildly reported that the hardliners in Iran didn’t want to negotiate with the US in the first place but the US pressured Pakistan and China to bring them to the table.
Then the US did a bait and switch and basically asked for absolute surrender instead of the 10 point plan they agreed to start from blowing up the talks.
You can bet that the hardliners in Iran said: “See… we told ya so” and will be hard to bring back to the table without serious concessions.
I don’t even think that room temperature IQ Americans are falling for this half baked propaganda anymore…
“We’ll be done soon”. “They’ve run out of missiles” “We’re close to breaking them.”
Don’t be fooled, This is existential for Iran, they are a hard people, they are rallying around the flag, and they are going to fight to the last man, woman and child.
The truth is Trump is Desperate and looking for an exit as he edges the world’s economy off a cliff.
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Nado875 days ago
+2
You really think the general population in Iran is rallying around the flag after they murdered all of those protestors in January?
More like 20% of the population is rallying around the flag while the rest hope for regime change while staying silent so they don't get gunned down.
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-1
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avatoin5 days ago
+1
This admin is so incompetent. They think that they've won World War II and are currently occupying the country, thus they can dictate terms.
Cities that were being sieged would hold out for weeks, months, or years before surrendering, despite the suffering in the walls. They really think doing the same to a whole country the size of western Europe would happen in less than a month. And the country isn't even physically sieged.
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Locus_In_Quo5 days ago
+1
#israelhayom.com says...
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Battle_Intense4 days ago
+1
After 70 Iranian officials got off the plane, the US realized they are just facilitating a safe space for the Iranian government to meet and plot their next move. No word on who paid for their room service.
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Pitiful-MobileGamer5 days ago
It was likely the US requesting and Iran rejecting
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Pseudanonymius5 days ago
-13
Yeah the US, they don't want peace.
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+15
It has been like 2 days, what is the point of talks if neither side has changed their minds? Action must happen before either side is willing to budge on their demands
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Unlucky_Accountant715 days ago
+3
IRGC recruiting 12 year olds but sure. Guess the US doesn't want peace.
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HuChemistry5 days ago
-3
> Yeah the US, they don't want peace.
Do you think US should negotiate with Iran's IRGC? All the IRGC wants is to kill as many non-muslims as possible. IRGC was Designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, EU, and Australia
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Feisty-Jeweler-33315 days ago
+7
They've been killing mostly Muslims since 1979.
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0x476c6f7769655 days ago
+9
In IRGC’s minds, Sunnis are not really Muslims
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Feisty-Jeweler-33315 days ago
+1
I'm pretty sure a lot of Shia got killed by them too, for example January's protests.
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MinorKeyEnjoyer5 days ago
+2
why start a war if you don’t plan to negotiate to end it?
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rich84easy5 days ago
+1
Because negotiations were not in scope when it was started
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MinorKeyEnjoyer5 days ago
+2
“negotiations were not in scope” - what does that mean?
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KindFunction6585 days ago
+1
lol everything is a terrorist organization if it doesn’t fit us interest. We are just as much terrorist when we give Israel bombs to kill civilians
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NickelPlatedEmperor5 days ago
-2
Strange, only by European populated nations eh? And a terrorist designation can be change at the drop of a hat. Take for example the president of Syria, Ahmed al-Sharaa, who was once a designated Al-Qaeda terrorist by the UN and the US regime. And once he made agreement with the US regime, The UN's rubber stamp of *terrorism* disappeared also. Strange how that is....
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Assketchum15 days ago
How many people have they killed in the last year, vs Israel?
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Assketchum15 days ago
Last 10 years?
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Remarkable-Canine5 days ago
-1
Tramp wages war without any provocation; straight was open earlier. Now Iran blocks it and US blocks it. China demands that no one interferes with their trade with Iran. Pakistan gets large loan to remain not hungry; gets rent for the planes & personnel from Saudi. GCC countries are in trouble trade and tourism wise.
When there was absolutely no problem earlier, the tramp creates a problem, and cannot extricate himself. Typical megalomanic textbook example.
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[deleted]5 days ago
+2
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Remarkable-Canine5 days ago
+1
Wiki Taco Tuesday. Interesting to read
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[deleted]5 days ago
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Remote-Cause7555 days ago
+7
Bro he is literally embargoing the strait. What part of that is being a TACO?
So many terrible things you can say about Trump, yet this stupid saying stuck for some reason
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wasbatmanright5 days ago
-3
Most people in America are dumb as fk. Many of them voted for this orange monster. Rest are copy pasting TACO and EpsteinFiles on events which impact the world.
Few idiots also support Iranian regime who massacre regular protestors...all with comfort of home and on keyboard.
Get your ass on street for impeachment or shut up!
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stephanously5 days ago
+1
Thought it was just my listnook algorithm going of the deep end but it turns out the average American listnookor can only do so much with the two neurons they have.
Either that or bots.
Either way I'm thinking about rebooting my algorithm or plainly just leaving for a while.
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rich84easy5 days ago
Let me generalize, look I’m so smart
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hiekrus5 days ago
Is this the new propoganda piece for Israel? Personaly, I liked theisraeltimes better.
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