I know the headlines tomorrow will talk about how he made it all about himself and he came in super arrogant, and the meeting lead to nothing.
539
Life_Without_Lemon2 days ago
+234
“Iran came to negotiate in bad faith cause they didn’t wear suit -JD”
234
mr_birkenblatt2 days ago
+78
They didn't even say thank you once
78
awmaleg2 days ago
+20
But the couch was Comfy and looked good
20
SpiritualB0x32 days ago
+10
You could say in Islam-a-bad faith? /s
10
ferret_fan1 day ago
+3
I think they DID arrive in suits. That bodes well, right??
3
axelkoffel2 days ago
+32
>Did you even say thank you for bombarding that school?
32
greenline_chi2 days ago
+3
“Iran didn’t say thank you”
3
jugalator2 days ago
+8
Yeah they've truly met their match in Iran because their leaders are much the same. That's why they are struggling like this, a table full of morons although it of course doesn't help that USA started this. Nothing of this needed to happen.
8
Humble_Monk35062 days ago
+2321
Trump knows he has no cards so he sent JD to be humiliated and also to have someone else to blame when things go wrong, typical narcissist.
2321
SilverAgedSentiel2 days ago
+480
But he can't fire his VP.., It's gonna be awkward when Trump tries to throw him under the bus.
480
mentalxkp2 days ago
+740
He was cool with the last one getting murdered by a mob. Don't think he'll care if its awkward.
740
syntax1382 days ago
+139
“If you open the strait , you can keep JD”
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actfatcat1 day ago
+52
I think Iran should keep JD. He can help with reconstruction.
52
zhaoz1 day ago
+32
More like "JD is living with you for as long as the straits are closed$
32
MoistHD1 day ago
+21
America has committed enough war crimes!
21
BKlounge931 day ago
+3
*whatever makes sense*
3
boomboomdaboomer2 days ago
+34
He was exPenceable.
34
Notnow_Imtoodrunk2 days ago
+44
Not an American - Is it a genuine thing that you can't fire a VP?
44
[deleted]2 days ago
+187
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devindran2 days ago
+130
Good to know there are legal rules that Trump will not break with zero reprocussions. /S
130
GraveDiggingCynic2 days ago
+29
It's not so much Trump's willingness to break the rules, it's just that he actually has no authority over JD Vance.
By the same token, other than break ties in the Senate, the Vice-President has no authority at all. Various Presidents have dispatched their VPs to perform various tasks, and VPs are always happy to let off the leash.
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madogvelkor2 days ago
+23
Yeah, the Vice Presidency is ironically one of the most secure and most useless positions in America.
Because it was originally a consolation prize for the runner up in the election. The person with the second most votes got the VP under the theory that the second most popular candidate should be the backup if something happens to the President.
Of course, no President could trust their political rival so they isolated and ignored them.
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MercantileReptile1 day ago
+4
I'm a little surprised no VP has tried to *retire* a President yet, given the whole automatic succession thing.
4
ImaginationSea27672 days ago
+26
Yeah and its not like he could get murd- i mean suddenly commit suicide for getting in the way of plans. That has never happened to anyone right? /S
26
scoo892 days ago
+13
And we'll make it look line Iran did it! Then NATO will help clean up my mess!
13
Academic-Treacle31622 days ago
+3
He could accidentally fall out a window though...?
3
National-Two24172 days ago
+2
Repercussions only matter if someone is willing to enforce them and a majority Republican senate/congress wouldn't... they have no spine.
2
shriand2 days ago
+16
> limit the power of the President
🤣
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SpiritualB0x32 days ago
+8
Only for a Democrat the fine print states
8
InternationalHair7251 day ago
+2
Its really working great. Let's definitely keep abiding by the 250 year old yeoman slaver manifesto
2
Bogdan5558252 days ago
+2
And most importantly, he is an elected official, they were both on the ballot, he wasn’t just appointed to this position. You can’t fire elected officials probably anywhere in the world, think of it like trying to fire a mayor or a senator.
2
robodrew1 day ago
+2
Well, also because he is elected not appointed.
2
Orangecuppa1 day ago
+2
> Vance can only be removed if Congress impeaches him or he resigns.
Trump was impeached twice and it did jack shit. So basically only if he resigns?
2
Sky_Ninja19972 days ago
+8
So what’s stopping Trump from going behind closed doors to Mike Johnson and Congress and telling them to invoke the 25th on Vance
8
meckez2 days ago
+49
Why should he fire him in the first place?
He's an overall obedient b**** and occasionally useful scapegoat for Trump.
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Sky_Ninja19972 days ago
+12
I’m more just asking if he wanted to fire him but can’t, what’s stopping him from doing that
12
Lews_There_In2 days ago
+16
He can't get rid of him unless he gets Congress to do it for him. That said, in the past presidents have effectively "shut out" their VP by completely by excluding them and relegating them to ceremonial duties. Truman is an example, as well as Hannibal Hamlin. Lincoln basically ignored Hamlin.
16
Subliminal_Kiddo2 days ago
+9
The 25th doesn't apply to Vance. In fact, the VP is the one who invokes the 25th. A VP can only be removed via impeachment and conviction or resigning.
Johnson can only impeach, conviction - which actually removes the POTUS/VP from office - requires the senate to vote to convict by at least 67 senators. Dems would refuse to convict Vance out of spite .
9
advocatus_diabolii2 days ago
+3
If Vance is removed from the equation who can invoke the 25th?
3
GraveDiggingCynic2 days ago
+6
Well, if the Vice President resigns or is removed, the President must nominate a new Vice President which is then approved by majority votes in the House and the Senate. The only time it has happened so far is when Spiro Agnew resigned in 1973 and Gerald Ford was chosen as Vice President.
From the 25th Amendment:
>Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
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Larkson99992 days ago
+10
They are considered elected to the position for a four year term. Shit for brains would have to get the party to impeach and remove him, which would just move Mike Johnson to the position. Unless there's a new speaker by that time and then that speaker would become VP and if Democrat, they would likely 25th the president because he's an obvious dementia patient already.
But those are all hypotheticals.
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fullofspiders1 day ago
+5
Slight correction: Mike Johnson would not automatically become VP. The presidential line of succession (which Johnson is right after the VP) only applies to the office of the President. So if both Trump and Vance go, Johnson's up.
If just the VP is vacated, the President would nominate someone and congress would have to approve. It happened with Nixon, which is how Ford, who was never elected as President or VP, became president when Nixon resigned. Prior to being nominated as VP, he was the House Minority Leader.
5
murdershroom2 days ago
+4
Mike Johnson would be a historic VP. The first blind, deaf, and know-nothing Vice President.
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Lord__Abaddon2 days ago
+3
Also gay man which would be cool if it wasn't Johnson.
3
notacanuckskibum2 days ago
+4
It’s true, because he was elected. But the VP has very few defined roles, beyond taking over if the president dies. Trump could choose to just give him no work and ignore him.
4
ABucin2 days ago
+9
throw him under the ~~bus~~ couch
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WomboShlongo2 days ago
+43
I pray to god that this backfires on Vance so badly that he invokes the 25th.
43
ScreenMuch902101 day ago
+5
I hope to John Wick the same fantasy
5
TerraMindFigure2 days ago
+85
Iran apparently specifically wanted to talk to J.D. Vance and the White House obliged. No one knows why for sure but it may be because J.D. is the most anti-war person in Trump's circle.
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Prize_Proof53322 days ago
+87
Also the Iranians were surprised at how unprepared and unserious Witkoff and Kushner were in previous discussions.
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AgUnityDD2 days ago
+31
They are both still in the delegation, it'd be a hilarious power move by Iran to publicly announce they refuse talks until they are both sent out of Pakistan.
They clearly fucked up the earlier negotiations because they are too stupid to understand the deal Iran was offering, it wouldn't hurt Iran to burn them and deal only with Vance and they'd have a much better chance of a deal with only him to deal with.
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madogvelkor1 day ago
+13
Because they are businessmen and the Iranians are military and clerics. They are operating in entirely different cognitive spaces.
Kushner works well with the Israelis and Gulf Arabs because they also speak the language of business and finance.
Vance might actually be the best person for the job. He's been in the military stationed in Iraq, he grew up poor, he isn't a businessman or financier, and he's at least smart enough to graduate from Yale Law without being a legacy student. He may well be the most capable and well rounded person in the Trump Administration.
13
daniel_22sss2 days ago
+6
Whaaat? People who's only skills are kissing Putin's butt are bad at real negotiations? I would never figure that out after they spent a year trying to force Zelenskyy to surrender.
6
musci122342 days ago
+10
I mean most of trump's cabinet is people from fox News. If vance wants to hold a political office ever again he needs a ceasefire that gets oil flowing again.
10
llDS2ll2 days ago
+10
It's because Trump's brain is soup
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YAZEED-IX2 days ago
+9
Isn't he the only politician in his cabinet? Unlike Trump himself, kushner, and witkoff.
Also throwing what some other commenter said about them giving Vance their full cooperation if he invokes the 25th. That would flip the regime change attempt and be pretty funny
9
sillysyly2 days ago
+5
The 25th requires more effort than just an impeachment + conviction. People forget that within 30 days congress has to "confirm" the removal if Trump were to contest it's validity and that requires 2/3 of the senate and house to vote to confirm it. Impeachment + conviction is just a house majority and 2/3 of the senate.
5
EmergencyCucumber9052 days ago
+3
Last time they dealt with Witkoff they got bombed during the negotiations.
3
EnvironmentalQuit4732 days ago
+2
Isn't Vance on the card to be next president of the US? I want to know what his eye make up routine is. I hope they publish this.
2
Interesting_Pen_1672 days ago
+4
IMO there is no chance too many people view him as a weak underling.
4
dz45052 days ago
+6
Didn’t Iran asked for Vance because he was against the war?
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multidollar2 days ago
+7
He didn’t sent JD. Iran demanded it was JD.
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Musclecar1232 days ago
+5
While I agree, Cheeto Mussolini’s health is obviously quite bad. I don’t think he can travel.
5
Mediocre_Comedian7392 days ago
+3
I thought Iran asked for JD Vance.
3
TheMalibu1 day ago
+3
Trump knew if he went, they would have made an attempt on him. If they do Vance, he doesn't really care. But oh boy will he use it as cocaine for the war machine.
3
Unoriginal_Pseudonym1 day ago
+3
Trump wants Vance to fail hard for that reason AND because his ego will absolutely not allow anyone else's name to be associated with anything close to a successful negotiation here.
3
5hadow1 day ago
+3
And JDV totally deserves it
3
Phylanara2 days ago
+7
Or, the Iranians know JD is one of the few individuals able to invoke the 25th and he's opposed to this war. The negotiations could be "depose trump, take his place and we go back to former status quo to start you on your presidency looking like a god"
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rsa12 days ago
+11
"How about you do a regime change in America and we throw in some nice Persian couches to sweeten the deal?"
11
SkinnyFatSoldier2 days ago
+2
Iranians requested to negotiate with Vance instead of Rubio
2
Difficult_Sort2951 day ago
+2
Nah. They see Vance as the one who is not all in on the war. Vance obviously doesn't like this war. It's the only policy he has not been all in on.
2
UbiSububi82 days ago
+248
And why is *Jared* in the flipping room?!!!?!
248
mac_20992 days ago
+130
Trump needs an insider to keep an eye on JD Vance
130
Shoddy-Fan-5842 days ago
+129
Vance is accompanied by Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff. Two Jewish, deeply pro-Israel New York real estate developers whose involvement in the government in the first place is gobdmackingly suspect let alone in these highly sensitive diplomatic matters.
I think it’s very clear whose interests Trump wants represented in these negotiations.
129
AlternativeScratch941 day ago
+38
Ironically Kushner is much more owned by saudi arabia than israel
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beekeeper19811 day ago
+9
They are they corrupt and inexperienced negotiators who already failed, leading to the start of the war.
9
00-Monkey2 days ago
+25
Cause he’s the real VP. Vance is just a puppet/figurehead.
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cocktail_wiitch1 day ago
+32
I think Kush has had A LOT more pull in this admin than people realize. He's heading the horrific Gaza Capitalist playground "rebuild" project as well.
32
OkFix40742 days ago
+12
Cos he managed to land trump's daughter alone in his room
12
redhandrunner1 day ago
+7
Or she was trafficked to him.
7
Joyous-Volume-672 days ago
+173
Trumps a coward who had no plan for Iran, and they threw out the Hormuz Uno card, and he realized he'd have to invade to reopen the Straight on his own, and that would cost him the Midterms, and they he'd be impeached and go to prison where he'd die. And here we are.
173
Lord__Abaddon2 days ago
+57
already cost them the midterms. Some dumb ass (probably the same one who told him about the tariffs) told him he if he attacks Iran it would boost the GOP and all it did was kick them in the nuts no one is happy and no one will forget how stupid it was come midterms. Maga won't vote for dems but they wont show up for trump.
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BigMax2 days ago
+53
I think he really believed we would drop a few bombs, and the protesters would swarm government buildings and take over, and install a pro-U.S. government and erect Trump statues to thank him. That was his entire plan.
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qdp1 day ago
+7
I honestly think the Maduro extradition emboldened him thinking it is that easy.
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Cosmic-Hello-27721 day ago
+3
To put a tinfoil hat on, I kinda think that whoever was behind the Iran operation perhaps also orchestrated the whole Maduro operation just to prove Trump that this stuff can be done this easily and that the US have overwhelming technological, military and intelligence advantages over every other country on Earth, much so against Iran who were bombed last year and didn't retaliate that much. So that Trump would agree for such an operation. Otherwise, this kind of attack was a major redline for many Presidents Republican or Democrat, for decades.
I can't independently interpret or see Maduro operation from this one. The timing is just too conspicuous. And I also can't see Trump coming up with such plan on his own. And I don't think the intelligence or strategy team behind Maduro operation is different than the Iran operation (the initial decapitation strikes).
3
Upbeat-Whole98972 days ago
+14
"Look, I had a plan OK... It's not my fault that wishes don't come true."
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ImpulseAfterthought1 day ago
+12
Midterms are seven months from now.
More than enough time for Trump to cook up some crisis.
12
Hypsar1 day ago
+7
Right. I do not believe the current government intends to face a free and fair midterms.
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ScreenMuch902101 day ago
+3
Not enough time to become competent though, even if their commitment to abject stupidity were to waver
3
Tigglebee2 days ago
+11
And all he had to do was nothing. The most impossible task for a narcissistic dictator.
11
Marsupialwolf2 days ago
+54
"As a token of my goodwill, I present to you a gift: these two droids" {points at Kushner and Witkoff}
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C_Woodswalker2 days ago
+13
May the Force be with you.
13
thecricketnerd2 days ago
+116
He's the kind of guy to end peace talks because he disliked someone's outfit
116
arvigeus2 days ago
+68
And forgetting to say “Thank you”. The dumbest premeditated sabotage in history.
68
Right_Fun_66262 days ago
+38
Lots of idiots enjoyed that whole ambush. The dumb reality show aspect really appeals to a sizable amount of the US population.
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KindaStableGenius2 days ago
+21
This is about to cook JD’s future political ambitions
21
sakri2 days ago
+47
Trumpland only knows how to break stuff, so yeah, US Vice President JD Vance arrives in Islamabad for ‘break’ talks with Iran
47
Pardot421 day ago
+4
That, and Vance wants to abuse me some exotic throw pillows
4
aussie_shane2 days ago
+14
Would be hilariously awkward if he was able to broker an amazing peace deal and was nominated for a Nobel peace prize. Joking obviously
14
timmler242 days ago
+5
Trump would be fuming if JD got it instead of him, let's do it
5
Zomunieo2 days ago
+63
I’m sure the guy who killed a pope and bungled ordering some donuts will do fine.
63
LucentLilac2 days ago
+14
“whatever makes sense”
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TheTranscendent12 days ago
+5
Watch them bomb the peace talks with Vance there
5
Lord__Abaddon2 days ago
+10
Honestly it would be weird as f*** if Iran took the US's playbook and bomb the meeting with vance there. send some proxies and confirm he's there then hit it with a few drone strikes or suicide bombers.
it would be the worst thing possible as vance would serve a purpose to unite the US against Iran and would bolster trump. but it would be an interesting Uno reverse card.
10
unimportantinfodump2 days ago
+88
F*** I saw the other day someone said there is no chance trump would go to a place named Islamabad and he would send his dog JD.
F****** called it
88
Schlonzig2 days ago
+33
Imagine if JD Vance gets a Nobel Peace Prize for this.
33
TheLoneBlrReader2 days ago
+11
Fifa awards more like ...
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Lord__Abaddon2 days ago
+10
He won't if Vance negotiates a peace deal trump won't accept it. espcially if it makes Vance look better than him. he will refuse and drop a few more bombs to sabotage him.
10
DeepResearch70712 days ago
+15
Why? It's islama'*bad*', Trump should love it
15
DaveMcElfatrick2 days ago
+2
They could have Lionel Huttz’d it. Islamabad? No, Islam a-bad!
2
Moxen812 days ago
+24
The Greenland and Canada invasions are in the news again, I’d rather the US be occupied somewhere else, thanks.
24
TheLoneBlrReader2 days ago
+4
Cuba, Greenland or may be new york ...one of them next
4
oy_hio2 days ago
+21
I've never been so confident in someone's ability to fail at a task...like a toddler pretending to be a superhero...go get em buddy, I'm sure you can do it!
21
sunnyspiders2 days ago
+7
Iran playing the US making JD get his hands dirty was pretty clever.
This bumblefuck manchild is even more insecure than Trump.
This will go very stupidly.
7
m3zatron1 day ago
+14
Iran is going to offer Vance this deal, “invoke the 25th and we’ll open the straight.” They are asking for him because he’s the most anti-war person in the cabinet. And they will appeal to JD’s quest for more power.
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Most-Artichoke61841 day ago
+7
We are not sending our best.
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Herb-Alpert1 day ago
+5
Do not worry, for the top of the top negotiators, that is witkoff and Kushner are here
5
Nick_Strong2 days ago
+25
JD is so thoroughly unlikable and uncharismatic that nothing can make him popular. That's probably why Trump picked him, to make sure MAGA dies with him. And Iran couldn't care less about JD. It won't give up control of the Strait of Hormuz, which they'll now use indefinitely as their toll booth.
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TheLoneBlrReader2 days ago
+9
It was JD or Kid Rock..he didn't have a choice
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True-Bandicoot-14242 days ago
+4
I truly hate him. Trump is a terrible human being, but at least he is true to himself. JD is submissive and weak. He looks even more a fool when he tries to take on Trumps strong arm persona. Utter embarrassment to America.
4
Notnow_Imtoodrunk2 days ago
+12
They're both absolute cunts
12
Escapeism2 days ago
+23
What?? Trump is not true to himself, he has no real basis ever, and flip flops based on who is dumb enough to be influenced by his empty threats… Then, those who fold to him, or even join his fold get ran right over eventually as he only enriches himself and the other Epstein pedophiles!
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Islandboi4life2 days ago
+10
What political leader in the right mind would send their vice president into Pakistan for negotiations over a war in Iran!???
10
wrxninja2 days ago
+5
It'll be another pointless meeting.
Israel will keep doing what Israel does and piss off Iran further.
5
altonbrushgatherer2 days ago
+4
The BBC is reporting from the ground in Islamabad ahead of high-level talks between Iran and the US.
The question of whether the US and Iran would arrive in Pakistan has now been answered, but the two delegations still don't agree on some key issues, our correspondent Azadeh Moshiri says.
[http://bbc.com/news/live/cn4v0xm9y0kt](http://bbc.com/news/live/cn4v0xm9y0kt)
No surprise there.
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doodlar2 days ago
+4
Poor Vance. Sold his soul to ride the poopy coattails of demented Donald.
4
Mother_Airline_62761 day ago
+3
Saw an article from 8 hrs ago saying the “Couch F*****” was heading to negotiate. Just saw an article from 3 hours ago that said we’re going to open up their banking channels. Seems like JD is ever the deal maker. Just like his master.
3
uprightshark1 day ago
+4
JD Vance with the fate of the world in his hands. What could go wrong.
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Catbutt2473651 day ago
+4
We send the most charm-free politician in recent history to stop a war NOBODY VOTED FOR. Great effort, there.
4
Weissritters2 days ago
+3
Hope Pakistan rolled out a nice couch!
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OwlBr33ze2 days ago
+2
JD & iranian delegation… o*** on couch
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sneezeatsage1 day ago
+3
America sending their best?
har
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Square-Weight41481 day ago
+3
Lets send the person least likely to procure a deal....
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bjbigplayer1 day ago
+3
With Mr Hillbilly at the helm, what could go wrong.
3
TROUT19861 day ago
+3
Send in the dude who banged his couch
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Wineandbikes2 days ago
+6
With his diplomatic skills, I’m fully expecting an all-out war between Pakistan, Australia & Uruguay by the end of the day! 🙄
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brando29762 days ago
+2
WWIII just joined the chat.
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NiniBellini2 days ago
+2
Iran wondering where the grown ups are at. Gets this clown.
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Flimsy_Shallot2 days ago
+2
Well… this should go badly.
2
blowfish17172 days ago
+2
Fate of the world negotiated with douchebags. WCGW?
2
pasterhatt2 days ago
+2
He just be so pissed that Trump dumped him with this. Totally unwinnable, no way we're better off then pre war when it's done, Trunp will pretend he could have done better, then anoint Marco Rubio as his heir apparent.
2
Liminal_Aspect2 days ago
+2
How is it going sofa?
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MyAccountWasBanned72 days ago
+2
Good, they can keep him!
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isthereadrwho2 days ago
+2
This is not make or break, we won the battle but we lost the war we're just negotiating our surrender. IMHO
2
TodlicheLektion2 days ago
+2
Visits couch factory in Islamabad first
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Uvtha-2 days ago
+2
Who's got points on break?
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rva_monsta2 days ago
+2
Right. Make them rich. Break the rest of us.
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woreoutmachinist1 day ago
+2
Keep him
2
smurfsundermybed1 day ago
+2
There are discouraging headlines, and then there's this.
2
orangehusky81 day ago
+2
Would of been better off sending a random Walmart greeter
2
rav4v61 day ago
+2
Vance is weak. You know trumpkin will contradict him within a day or 2 anyway.
Vance should go soak his head in the river.
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FartyFartsMD1 day ago
+2
They rolled out the couches for him.
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Choice_Marzipan53221 day ago
+2
They’ll give JD a W to sow discord between he and Trump. Chess not checkers.
2
Koseoglu-2X4B-523P1 day ago
+2
What the hell is jared f¥cking kushner doing at that table?!
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Cardoni1 day ago
+2
Keep the loser
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Popular_Fly96041 day ago
+2
He is not qualified for diplomatic rescue missions.
2
D_Angelo_Vickers1 day ago
+2
"I offer you three dozen of the sexiest couches made in America for your unconditional surrender."
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SlaterVBenedict1 day ago
+2
Spoiler: they were Break
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theanedditor1 day ago
+2
Just Remember, JD (or whatever your name is) this whole thing is NOT a sofa, so don't go and f*** it, k thnx bye.
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Ms_Apprehend1 day ago
+2
Did he have a note pinned to his back saying “kick me”? Hope so.
2
Ih8tevery12 days ago
+5
Iran holds all of the cards...this administration is an embarrassment!!
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-fly_away-2 days ago
+4
good thing he had his makeup on already. f****** p**** ass b**** vance
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bestmindgeneration2 days ago
+1
"Have you Iranians even said thank you to us?"
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Ok_Willingness_96192 days ago
+1
They better wear a suit. Or else there’ll be trouble.
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rsa12 days ago
+2
Just for this, I hope the Iranians show up in a tee shirt, hoodie and torn jeans
2
Ok-Conflict86032 days ago
+1
Trump will extend for 2 weeks
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kanzie_blitz2 days ago
+1
Ah, this lad! Calls on Oil!
1
winokatt2 days ago
+1
I hope they say thank you when they offer no concessions because they’ve already won
1
BoldThrow2 days ago
+1
Vance has gone because everyone knows Trump would just fold.
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Flaky-Impact-24282 days ago
+1
I hope iran says thank you
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ma-ra-wa-na2 days ago
+1
Seems like Vance will get the pence treatment before midterms? He’s speed running this term.
1
mymikerowecrow2 days ago
+1
I still think it’s hilarious that they think they will work something out through Pakistan because Iran has no interest in talking to them. I hope there is a lego video making fun of them for that
1
boomboomdaboomer2 days ago
+1
“Did you say, Thank you?”
1
JackieTreehorn792 days ago
+1
Just the smug dunce we need to worsen the situation
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