For Trump it went perfect. Nobody is talking about his best friend Epstein anymore.
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GiantSlippers3 days ago
+34
besides his wife!
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whatthesoms3 days ago
+1
Not in the media. No. But it's rife on Listnook and the likes... Not that us regards matter.
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PrivatePilot93 days ago
+1
And hey, the midterms aren’t likely going likely going to go well for Trump given as how gas prices are still going to be jacked all summer, so if that’s the win that the rest of the world gets from this, well, you take the wins where you can find them.
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EatinSumGrapes2 days ago
+1
Gas prices will settle by midterms and people will forget. Literally everything that happened before October 2026 will be forgotten by the midterms.
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PrivatePilot92 days ago
+1
Doubt it. Gas prices will drop some but there has been a lot of logistical damage done and unavoidable price increases that will still be working their way through in all sorts of places through the end of the year.
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EatinSumGrapes2 days ago
+1
It's going to go up again becausd of the delayed affect. But it's already dropped from $4 to $3.70 where I am. It will spike again then settle down to maybe $3 to $3.50 in October and Trump will say he made it so much better than the ~$4 peak under Biden.
People are just obvious to reality and timelines.
I have had multiple people I know this month say "I don't understand, Trump is one of the best business ever, why is he failing at the economy?"
Like bruh... he is famously the one of the worst businessmen in history with mountains of evidence showing it, but people just believe anything "their media" tells them and they do 0 research. Fox News will telk them everything is better and not one single white Trump voter will vote against him.
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Legitimate-Tip-21493 days ago
+27
Whilst this is incredibly obvious to anyone with more than a couple of braincells to rub together, the fact that prominent figures amongst US allies are saying it publicly is a pretty big deal.
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jackgrafter2 days ago
+4
We’ve local elections coming up and the UK public are generally happy to see politicians criticising or standing up to the fanta menace (and rightly so) I expect more of it as we get closer to the elections.
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Swangthemthings3 days ago
+29
This is why every other president or works leader didn’t go in guns blazing and instead attempted with diplomacy. We live in a time where intelligence means nothing
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DTH20013 days ago
+6
Do you mean intelligence, as in information gathering, or intelligence, as in brain power?
Because with this administration it could be either.
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Inko213 days ago
+9
Well, both.
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Dimmo173 days ago
+3
Actually tbf the intelligence gathering has been scarily good, hence the Maduro operation, and almost surgical decapitation of the Iranian leadership.
If you read the NYT piece about the war, Trump got intelligence briefings saying it would be impossible to do regime change and become a quagmire, but he ignored the briefings over what Netanyahu had said to him that it would be easy.
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YourAutoModsSucks2 days ago
+1
> Actually tbf the intelligence gathering has been scarily good
The USA intel or Israels?
Who was it that bombed a girls school in the early moments of the conflict?
I reject your "Scarily good" opinion.
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Sandslinger_Eve3 days ago
+3
Intelligence is about more than finding where X marks the spot. What you're describing is military intelligence.
Intelligence in the broad terms of what intelligence agencies deal in is about cause/effect and how to achieve desired outcomes with the least amount of fuzz.
If you listen to advice on how to kill someone, but not why you shouldn't, you're not listening to intelligence nor using it.
The words of Obama comes to mind.
Just because you have the biggest hammer doesn't mean that every problem is a nail.
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Dimmo173 days ago
+4
Yeah, which is what they said, intelligence gathering, which the US clearly excels at.
The problem is that Trump doesn't listen or accept intelligence briefings.
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TV-Tommy3 days ago
+1
Trump spells it $D$I$P$L$O$M$A$C$Y$
Without the $, what's the use?
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TV-Tommy3 days ago
+2
Yup! Not AMERICA'S mistake, TRUMP'S!
America's mistake was believing that the dictator was for the people, and electing him. Hungary learned!
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EatinSumGrapes2 days ago
+1
The war in Iran is Trump's biggest success! It got everyone to stop focusing on the Epstien Files and made his family billions of dollars.
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DeepBreathOfDirt2 days ago
+2
Yeah, the US just slipped, tripped and accidentally set the stage for WW3.
It could happen to anyone.
I mean, the US Department Of War 'could' admit to it's 'mistake' and settle things less aggressively.
Realistically though; we can expect some of the most expensive holes in the ground since Elon Musk decided to derail public transport with his 'Hyperloop' project.
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Magusreaver3 days ago
+5
Yeah, I think we all kinda knew this when we went in..
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patentlyfakeid2 days ago
+1
It's been 'time for golf yet?" amateur hour every day trump has been in office, now there's just a bit of wwiii spice thrown in for good measure.
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Dragon17093 days ago
+9
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Trump and the rest of the current US government at all.
But starting the war with iran's terror regime (not it's real iranian people) was long awaited by quite a lot of iranians in and outside of iran.
Current EU states and UK are bitching about mistake here and there. But they didn't do anything against the brutality and human rights violation in iran, and why?
Fuel prices and energy costs would raise. Oh nooooo.
People were dying in iran and were killed by the regime just because they stood up for themselves.
UK and other European countries should go feel ashamed of beeing such hypocrites.
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to_glory_we_steer3 days ago
+4
If this was done for the good of the Iranian people, it would have involved negotiated transfers of Iranian prisoners. Like the little girls who are raped repeatedly before death by those bastards.
This is Trump using Iran to drum up popular support.
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FartBrulee2 days ago
+2
Explain to us how Iran's people are liberated and all the good this has done for Iran. Please, I'm genuinely curious.
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OpeningTechnical58843 days ago
+2
Lol you think this is being done for the good of the Iranian people?
After this is the Iranian people are going to have a worse economy, wrecked infrastructure, and a more extreme regime.
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Dragon17093 days ago
+6
No I don't think Trump is doing it for the iraninan people. But it serves iranians who are suppressed and cannot fight for themselves.
Worse economy? ...what economy?
Normal people are already suffering or have been suffering way before the attack. Why do you think the demonstrations started?
A more extreme regime?
They were already extreme. DonYou know that the regime executes 4 people per day on average? ...and even under 18 year olds...can you imagine that?
It's higher than any other country. A sad record.
You don't see anything and any other information from Iran since they have cut off everyone from internet and only post news and Infos they want to be seen. Normal people are suffering and dying already. The weaker the regime gets the higher is the chance for them to stand up and fight again for their rights.
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relaxguy23 days ago
+1
How are their citizens benefiting from this? Please lay out your argument.
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0ba78683-dbdd-4a31-a3 days ago
+5
Women being able to go outside without a hijab without fear of flogging or imprisonment would be a good outcome for starters.
Yes, if your only lens is politics, it's a dishonest shitshow and pretty much everyone has their own ulterior motive. But if you actually care about the lives of the Iranian people, things could be going a lot worse.
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relaxguy23 days ago
I was married to an Iranian for 10 years and she is still my best friend. I’m also very good friends with most of the Iranian community where I live through her so I understand the desire of Iranians to get out from under this hellhole of a regime.
But this admin doesn’t have any goals and the little they do have they can’t even accomplish so none of this is going to come to fruition because of this. Iran will be under worse economic conditions and worse leadership.
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0ba78683-dbdd-4a31-a3 days ago
+1
Possibly. It's the classic US playbook of interfering without a plan for what happens afterwards.
What do you think a realistic long-term solution might look like? Is democracy, or at least sane leadership, even possible?
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relaxguy23 days ago
+1
In Iran? If so it’s possible but hard to see a path right now and it won’t be because of the US I don’t think.
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0ba78683-dbdd-4a31-a3 days ago
+1
Agree. But the optimist in me hopes the disruption might give the people a chance to do something. Or perhaps for a less crazy opposition to take power. Thoughts?
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relaxguy23 days ago
+2
I don’t see opposition taking power right now. The only way the US gets the current regime out is with a ground invasion and the Iranian people are unarmed so don’t think they can do it themselves.
Everything is possible in just kit seeing a realistic path in the short term to any real change. Hope im wrong.
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EatinSumGrapes2 days ago
+1
When Pete Hegseth was asked by the media why this would not become a quagmire war and a shitshow like the other times the US got involved in the Middle East and his answer was "because this time we actually have smart people in charge" I knew Iran was fucked. That's not how smart people answer that question, that's how a moronic narcissist answers the question. I'm totally on board for helping the Iranian people somehow, but when the dumbest and most selfish humans on the planet lead the charge... well there is no question the Iranian people are going to be far worse off after all this.
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wintersdark3 days ago
You're talking about things that would be good outcomes. There's no reason the current action will lead to those outcomes.
That's why people have a problem with this.
I understand a lot of Iranians wanted US intervention. The problem is "intervention" doesn't mean anything if you don't have goals, pursue and obtain them.
The regime isn't changing - arguably it's getting more extreme. Regular Iranians are being killed.
The only things looking to change for regular Iranians as a result of this is destroyed infrastructure, broken homes, killed family members.
You're basically doing:
1. Bomb Iran
2. ?????
3. Profit!
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OpeningTechnical58843 days ago
+1
Yes a worse economy and yes more extreme. You understand there are higher numbers than 4 right? There are already several reports from different intelligence agencies that the new SL is more extreme than his father was.
Is this war worth it if the new regime executes 10 people a day?
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Khaganate232 days ago
+1
All my family in Iran don't want a ceasefire.
I don't think you understand how bad Iran is right now.
Do you think the jews were better off before the Battle of Berlin? Be honest, because that's your logic right now.
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Jealous_Response_4922 days ago
The Idea that the son of the deposed Shah backed by the USA, will unify the nation that overthrew his farther is simply delusional at best. The Iranian regime is built upon the principal of no Western interference, and that regime is in, an existential mode since the US/Israeli attacks. They're not gonna capitulate to US demands on anything, and they are gonna continue to clamp down harshly on any domestic opposition.
The Iranian diaspora in the West that supported the US/UK backed regime of the deposed Shah are never getting their palaces and decadent lifestyles back. Even If the IRGC were to fall. I count a few of them as friends, but they are delusional, in wanting a return to what was unacceptable to the point of violent revolution for a clear majority of the Iranian population.
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Khaganate232 days ago
+1
How much crypto were you paid by the regime to say this self-admitted basij rhetoric?
It's crazy the roundabout racism and historical revisionism you guys come up with. You guys are getting way too comfortable speaking over minorities and victims.
You clearly live a comfortable life and don't know any Iranians in Iran.
Legitmally, seek help.
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Even_Establishment953 days ago
+2
Ya don’t say.
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Embarrassed_Quit_4502 days ago
+1
Or was it? Big surprise, the move benefits Russia by increasing oil prices.
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EatinSumGrapes2 days ago
+1
Whose mistake? Trump's family and friends are making mountains of money and it made most people forget about the Epstein files. It furthered Project 2024's agenda. It hurt everyone in the world, other than the super wealthy who used it to make money, but that does not make it a mistake
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OllyDee3 days ago
+1
I want to see the Foreign Secretary say this.
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OkWillingness60593 days ago
+1
Ig we all know that?
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Caltastrophe3 days ago
+1
While this is all going, remember: don't forget about Epstein.
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Automata-Omnia3 days ago
-1
Already tricked into an unwinnable war over a strait by the Israelis with the Suez Crisis. Forced to withdraw by US threatening to sell off Sterling Bonds. I wonder what would happen if the world threatened to sell of US Bonds.
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ghost_n_the_shell3 days ago
-1
We know.
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Fizzy_Astronaut3 days ago
No shit Sherlock, next you’ll tell us the sky is blue and things in water are wet.
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wecanhaveallthree3 days ago
-23
So soon the UK forgets Chamberlain's mistakes.
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mmoore3273 days ago
+20
It's the US that shouldn't be appeased right now...
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thereoncewasahat3 days ago
+12
Chamberlain bought time for the UK to better prepare for a war he knew could not be avoided.
He delayed simply to put them in a better position for when it did kicked off.
That was the smart thing to do.
Similarly, the Iranian Regime is a big problem; but there was NO current nuclear threat, the Israelis had been trying to convince consecutive US presidents that Iran was 2 weeks away from a bomb for DECADES.
You can see clips of Netanyahu on youtube doing this again and again. It was a lie.
Only Trump was stupid enough to believe him.
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ContentsMayVary3 days ago
+10
I don't think we should be appeasing proto-fascist authoritarian states. You know, like the current USA regime. We certainly shouldn't be appeasing a paedophile who raped children.
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yubnubster3 days ago
+4
Who is Hitler in this scenario? Hard to tell anymore.
Edit: the downvote suggests it's hard for you to tell too :)
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