U.S.-Iran talks end with no agreement, Vance says

No, no no! It's a two week plan! Get it straight, man! Thanks for your attention to this lie!

Needs to overlay the quotes with the stock market & buys from people in government.

Great website. Needs to add: Apr 8: "I'm sending JD Vance to negotiate a deal, if he fails this is all his fault, if he gets a deal I'll take all the credit" Apr 9: No deal (like it would take a day anyway). Has anyone in the US media established what this 'wonderful gift from Iran worth millions of dollars' was? Obviously it was a lie, but does anyone even bother asking him anymore?

Thank you for that link!

That post has probably already been made 3 or 4 times in this conflict

Just add it to the [existing wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished_speech)

He’s doing the same shit billionaires always do. Privatize the gains and socialize the losses

I hope the Iranians told him, "you don't have any cards."

We're they even wearing a suit?

I don’t know why but when I read mascara I thought about Erica kirk and it made me realize her and Vance have the same makeup artist.

It applies because it's the reason that Trump got rid of Obama's agreement with Iran, and why every time Iran tried to get a new agreement Trump would bomb, assassinate, and invade. He couldn't fathom a deal that would benefit both Iran and himself, so he kept on scuttling all Iran deals. And it applies to any further deals because Trump can't comprehend the horse-trading that results in beneficial outcomes. Let's look at the recent ceasefire deal. Trump got a ceasefire deal so that Iran would no longer be bombed and the strait would be opened. This is a win\win, not a perfect deal, everyone would still be far worse off now then they were before the debacle begin, but such a ceasefire would be good for the world and lower oil prices, and good for Iran who would no longer be bombed. As soon as the ceasefire was agreed upon Israel bombed Lebanon and Trump celebrated because Trump thought he got everything he wanted (the opening of the Strait) with Iran getting nothing, only to be Surprised Pikachu when Iran refused to open up the Strait. He "won" the deal and should get all the benefits with Iran getting nothing! >Iran has literally no incentive here to accept anything less than EVERYTHING it wants. This is what is going to happen because Trump will continue to insist on deals where Trump gets everything and Iran gets nothing, even as Trump continues to lost power and influence with every failed deal. Win\Win doesn't mean Complete Win\Complete Win, it means benefit for benefit. A competent negotiator wouldn't have put us in this state in the first place, but there are still ways to... if not benefit from the current state of events to instead limit the damage. A competent negotiator could negotiate for lower toll prices, Only a million dollars per ship instead of 2 million, or protection for it's middle eastern allies that Iran could cause mass damage to, or a hundred little things that could dampen the fallout or change the environment for the better, at least better then how things are right now. But Trump won't engage in that horse-trading, he only wants a deal where he completely wins and Iran gets nothing. And as a result you're correct, Iran will get whatever it wants because Trump has no cards and still keeps on playing them.

They are extraordinarily, breathtakingly, incompetent. Would be fired from anywhere and anything. An amazing time period in life where moronic stupidity elects their own reflection and somehow expects it to work out lol. Amazing times.

>Trump has absolutely no f****** idea what to do. He has no idea how to meaningfully pressure Iran to capitulate and is just flailing and all but desperately begging Iran to accept a deal in the face of his tanking approval ratings and rising gas prices. Iran has literally no incentive here to accept anything less than EVERYTHING it wants. I'd add that he's culled from his administration (and much of the US military) anyone who has any notion of how to successfully prosecute a war, or who understands the geopolitical impacts of doing so.

There’s only a fraction of ambassadors now and I recall how often and busy Sec of State Blinken was with traveling to constantly negotiate. Yet Rubio is in Miami at a UFC fight with Trump tonight. It boggles my mind how Kushner can act on behalf of the US as a civilian. Hegseth and Trump are all pumped that the US has a mighty military and somehow thinks that’s enough to bully the world. Yet a military is only as good as its leader(s). It’s such a shit show. It boggles my mind that the right is like “yea, Iran for 47 years…”. I’m totally expecting to see some pivot where not only do we see an offer like Obamas treaty just rebranded like NAFTA was turned into USMCA. I expect maybe this administration considers that hey maybe solar and electrical as fuel alternatives to “show those oil countries we don’t need them” and see Biden era initiatives back on the table. Though I still can’t imagine 2.5 more years of Trump just floating from one fight to another fight to another fight. The msn is perpetually pissed at someone or something and a majority of it due to his own unforced errors or listening to the goobers around him, especially Stephen Miller.

There isn’t really any walking away with a win for America. If Iran doesn’t get the right conditions, they can simply keep the strait of Hormuz closed and bomb American bases in the region

This is extremely important, and surely requires the all the experts we have. We should send the whole cabinet.

also JFK Jr. in case there are any health issues

They also started the war by bombing a school and killing ~160 kids. Like who would even trust the Epstien Regime after they attacked a school *specifically*

For all the couch memes, nothing will ever be as funny to me as JD Vance trying to act like a Real Normal Human Being who wants to have The Donuts. "Okay. Good." When I first saw the clip I thought, "Does Vance's team hate him?"

So, Vance has touched another thing and killed it? Pope, Orban (possibly, [reports](https://www.newsweek.com/viktor-orban-hungary-election-jd-vance-rally-11804123) his popularity dropped after his visit), and now Iran negotiations? Is he Damien? Edit: added link

$2 million per (full) tanker passing the straights, paid to Iran for 10 years to pay for rebuilding the country after the illegal war damage. On average that's about $100 million per day and $36 billion per year.

If he blew himself up he’d get 72 couches

Hold on hold on hold on I just realised…. inflation could fix the Dow?

Word is that Iran wanted Vance, as he’s one of the more anti-war figures in this admin.

It was a three man delegation. Vance was just the “head”. The other two were Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, two deeply pro-Israel Jewish billionaires. Kushner and Witkoff are basically Israel’s liaisons in the Trump admin. Who joined this delegation as Israel’s inside men on what was ostensibly to be a “two-party” negotiation between the US and Iran. They were there to ensure that the talks went nowhere. Trump knew he was sending Vance into a futile mission. That’s why Trump didn’t go himself and sent his lackey instead. Any ground Vance would try to make would be shot down by Kushner and Witkoff and Bibi would send them a congratulatory text afterwords (and reiterate their preferred partner status on the Gaza development plans, of course).

They know their Sun Tzu.

Love that for them.

Despite US asked them not to, telling them it was the wrong card to play.

While Ukraine did blow up Russia infrastructure. Russia made an insane amount of money more than they would. The amount calculated is more than 9 Billion USD So... It did help Russia by a lot. Specially when you take in consideration that Ukraine would blow up that infrastructure anyway.

Ukraine would have done this anyway. Russia still benefits from this shitwar.

Is the election tomorrow??

"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."

A few days? No, *one* day. They are giving up after one day.

Normally you don't send a VP to negotiate. Normally lower level diplomats work it all out, the leaders agree, then they meet for a photoshoot. Of course Normal is the last thing we see from this administration.

I think both sides have strict, rigid red lines that are irreconcilable. Isn't much else to say if both sides are adamant that they won't budge. Guessing the US was hoping their power plants threats would force Iran's hand, but the bluff is being called.

The "peace talks" was just a way to save face while backing away from his whole civilization ending thing. He didn't care what the 10 point plan had in it, so long as he could use it as a reason not to follow through.

Vance just gave his press conference like 20 mins ago and said he was leaving. They wernt anywhere close to a deal.

Plane already in the air, he's gone.

They did, this ended on Sunday morning in Pakistan

It is Sunday

Yup. End of a civilization back on?

Probably, but the incoming carrier is just supposed to replace one of the current carriers in the region since they've been deployed since like... forever.