For people saying “Why are we condemning Tucker Carlson for changing his mind?” He’s not. He’s playing both sides in order to prepare to run on a populist platform in 2028.
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tommytheturtleishere3 days ago
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He also didnt change his mind and didnt apologize. He talked about how Donald Trump is a slave to other figures.
Thats not admitting you were wrong or duped. Thats not even acknowledging that Trump is bad.
F*** him forever
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MovieENT13 days ago
+3
It’s Israel based, that’s it. Tucker’s opinions on politicians seem to be correlated with their Israel stance now. It doesn’t seem like economics or LGBTQ or abortion or any other issue factor into how he feels.
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dholmestar4 days ago
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he interviewed Nick Fuentes less than half a year ago. if anything he's probably just mad that Trump isn't going far enough.
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Mysterious-Wasabi1033 days ago
+26
It's about maintaining credibility. We saw through leaked texts for years that Tucker hated Trump and understood he's stupid.
So now Tucker is saying he never intended to mislead anyone, but that's exactly what he did. Cause he knew Trump was terrible privately, but publicly he supported Trump and helped him win the election.
Now everything is going to shit, and Tucker is trying to pretend he didn't so that he can maintain credibility among gullible idiots and therefore be the pied piper that leads said idiots to the next Republican.
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MovieENT13 days ago
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That’s not it though realistically. Tucker has a hefty focus on Israel and Trump works with Israel. There’s no real policy discussions or politics at all, it seems Israel centric, it’s as simple as that.
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Depraved_Alt4 days ago
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Recently Tucker has been soft pedalling holocaust denial. He's definitely just mad that Trump is being used by Bibi.
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O_PLUTO_O3 days ago
+3
You know he’s just salty that they picked kegsbreath instead of him
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curiousleen3 days ago
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Actually… going pretty far back there’s proof he’s ever liked Trump… but he’s a grifter, so he’ll say and do anything if it gets him what he wants. You know… like Trump
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Troyabedinthemornin4 days ago
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Ding ding ding. This dude is primed and ready to carry the torch of MAGA, and he is much more competent and ideologically far right than Trump ever was. He’s also staunchly anti-Israel, not because he cares about Palestinian liberation, but because he’s courting antisemites and knows that with this position he can dog walk and establishment candidate from either party. Put him up against someone like Newsom and it’s f****** over
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mopsockets3 days ago
+5
Yes, and anyone who profited more than god from the period of tea party rise through the trumpian fall is gonna need to purchase my forgiveness with actual money.
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
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You can say this about any genuine apology then
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Troyabedinthemornin4 days ago
+15
Context context context. The man knows there is going to be a power vacuum, and Trump’s disaffected base is looking for someone consistent to back
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
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So anyone remotely famous can never have a genuine apology since this is true of every famous conservative?
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Responsible_Sink30444 days ago
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This is the first time in my life that TC has been even slightly less of a piece of shit, so I think most of us are going to have to assess this apology in retrospect
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
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Don’t you see how this applies to every single person with a presence and not just Tucker?
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Responsible_Sink30444 days ago
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Yeah, if Nick Fuentes, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong-Un, or David Duke issue a blanket apology any time soon I'll treat their statements with an equal level of suspicion, rest assured.
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
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My fault for trying to have a good faith debate
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Diredr4 days ago
+12
You're not trying to have a good faith debate. You're trying to move the goalpost by doing whataboutisms.
People have already expressed their point clearly. Context matters. Carlson stood by Trump through many, MANY horrible things. Now that a lot of people are abandoning ship and it's not profitable for him to shill Trump, he has a change of heart.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense would be at the very least skeptical about the apology.
Not to mention that nobody owes you forgiveness. Nobody has to accept his apology. But keep moving those goal posts, you're bound to eventually get something in!
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Arch-by-the-way3 days ago
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Let’s keep signaling to republicans that they are not pure enough to change and join our side, that’ll go super well for us.
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Not_a_Rodeo_Clown4 days ago
+6
I know Tucker even being a moron makes it look easy, but the whole pretending to be the rational one while pushing a logically absurd premise thing does in fact take some effort. If you keep trying you will get there. It probably hurts that on the internet you can’t yell over someone telling you why you are wrong.
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Troyabedinthemornin4 days ago
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Why does one thing have to be about EVERYONE else? Like I am talking about this guy. Not Marjory Taylor Green, not kid rock or Dean Cain. If I say “I don’t like cherry pie” are you gonna say “ok so you hate pie then? No pie is good enough for you?” Like no, read the words I am writing, I’m speaking on this specific mother f*****
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
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So if MTG or Kid Rock apologized, you would believe and welcome them? We all know you won’t.
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Troyabedinthemornin4 days ago
+7
Can people legit not read? Whether or not I accept their apologies depends entirely on the context of how that happens. Any kind of reconciliation is on a case-by-case basis. When these people actually apologize, then we can have that conversation. Me thinking a way about one guy does not mean I have to behave the same f****** way for every person and nor should it. I do not understand why that is so hard for y’all to understand
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
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I understand what you’re saying is about Tucker. I’m asking you a hypothetical. If MTG and Kid Rock apologized, would you accept it and welcome them?
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Troyabedinthemornin4 days ago
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See my previous response, that all depends on context. This hypothetical is pointless because these things don’t just happen in a vacuum. Like who are they apologizing to, and why?
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
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The 21 step purity tests before being able to admit you were wrong is the reason people are digging in even harder
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DJfunkyPuddle4 days ago
+3
Oh sure, if you completely ignore the context and literally decades' worth of history.
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amazing_rando3 days ago
+3
Until Tucker tries to make amends for the harm he’s caused I won’t consider any apology genuine. He’s still a hateful bigot, he just isn’t on Donald Trump’s team anymore. Trump doesn’t get to be a clean slate for everyone else.
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dangerphone4 days ago
+14
Example why you are wrong: I said to my wife sorry for farting in bed. I am not running on a populist platform in 2028.
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1trashhouse4 days ago
+71
everytime he bashes trump he shows up at an event he’s at a few days later, he’s bankrolled by the russians to cause instability amongst the american people
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Troyabedinthemornin4 days ago
+23
This is called stochastic terrorism, and Tucker is definitely participating in this
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Live_Beer_or_Die4 days ago
+2
I’ve never heard that term before. What does it mean?
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Lard_Baron4 days ago
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In an industrial furnace, the air–fuel ratio is an important measure for performance. If exactly enough air is provided to completely burn all of the fuel (stoichiometric combustion), the ratio is known as the stoichiometric mix.
So you mix certain gases together to make a good explosive mix.
Politically it means you make certain statements to get a target audience angry, angry enough to commit a terrorist act.
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Consistent-Button9964 days ago
+7
I think you may be confusing stoiciometric with stochastic. The former means what you said, but the latter means random.
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Lard_Baron3 days ago
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I don’t think stochastic works as a description. Random terrorism?
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Consistent-Button9963 days ago
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As much as what youre saying seems correct, i think it does mean random. From Google AI:
Stochastic terrorism refers to the use of high-profile, inflammatory rhetoric by public figures to incite random, ideologically motivated violence. It is a form of political violence where mass-mediated, demonizing speech makes violent acts statistically probable—yet unpredictable in their specifics—often resulting in "lone wolf" attacks.
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Consistent-Button9963 days ago
+1
I know, but stoiciometric doesn't seem right here.
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Lard_Baron3 days ago
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Well, it’s stochastic alright even if that seems clunky.
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Live_Beer_or_Die3 days ago
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Ohhhhh very interesting. Thank you for the explanation.
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
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It’s a buzzword for the people who’s personality consists of Listnook and politics
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Lard_Baron4 days ago
+8
You shouldn’t be angry for your small vocabulary.
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
-5
You’re right, this is stochastic terrorism, Tucker is encouraging violence by apologizing. You’re so smart.
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Live_Beer_or_Die4 days ago
+2
Hmm interesting. Thank you
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Regretted_Simian4 days ago
+1
“Anything I don’t understand is a buzzword”
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
-1
“Apologizing is terrorism”
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Regretted_Simian4 days ago
+3
OP never said the apology itself was an example of stochastic terrorism. They said Tucker himself engages in stochastic terrorism.
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
-5
Tucker is a terrorist for apologizing. Hmm I wonder why more conservatives don’t come out and apologize
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MindlessDoctor61823 days ago
+2
Didn’t you see his video though? They had bread!
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cloudyseokjin4 days ago
+28
don't worry, he'll go back to his old ways soon.
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Bobsothethird4 days ago
+26
Tucker Carlson is a Russian shill and a traitor along with Tim Pool.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
+9
He still hasn't left his old ways. He just knows Trump isn't the key to what he wants anymore.
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
-3
His old ways would be liberal CNN reporter. People change all the time.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
+12
Lol what? When he was on CNN he was the right-wing pundit on Crossfire.
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---SmokingMonkey---3 days ago
+6
You lie about as blatantly as Tucker.
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Helpful_Pirate2613 days ago
+1
Didn’t Tucker start at msnbc?
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BurrShotLast3 days ago
+7
Am I glad that people like Tucker are willing to say they made a mistake? Yes. Do I accept their apology? No. The average MAGA voter that has been brainwashed by their bubble of misinformation who finally breaks out, that person I'm willing to forgive. But the professional grifters like Tucker who have fed this machine their entire careers, who have given legitimacy to this monster willingly for so long, I have absolutely no patience for. They knew what they were doing long before now and they are only apologizing because either they know it will benefit them or because they have personally been affected by what they supported.
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vita10gy4 days ago
+11
I wish more people paid attention, but I have some grace for the 22 year old with 2 jobs just trying to keep food on the table who swallowed some bullshit from trump.
But all the people in the political punditry world knew it was all lies. They didn't care, because they thought they were making a deal with the devil, and they only care now because they think they sense the tide changing.
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dholmestar4 days ago
+5
f*** the 22 year old too.
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
I thought this way too when I was 16 and browsed Listnook at school instead of meeting people with nuanced beliefs.
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Foomankru4 days ago
+2
“It wasn’t intentional” quickly/quietly while “apologizing”. Sure it wasn’t.
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EconomyAd16003 days ago
+3
Damn. Lots of bad faith arguments in here. Also, surprise surprise, it’s the same 3 or 4 accounts. Tucker must be working overtime to try and improve his image so his career survives Trump.
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Abystract-ism3 days ago
+2
And his image for his presidential run. “This is what I will do instead…”.
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ReleaseObjective3 days ago
+2
It’s not difficult to avoid actions you may have to apologize for later.
Make Forethought Great Again.
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AMediaArchivist3 days ago
+2
The most unbelievable thing about The View is how Joy Behar is 93 years old and looks like she’s 65.
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gkinney3 days ago
+1
She’s 83, not 93. But that is still nuts.
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Significant-Owl-29803 days ago
+1
She’s 83? Wow. She looks great
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OkAssociation34874 days ago
+3
Tucker is vile, but the commentary here is dopey
Tucker has trashed Trump viciously mostly about the Iran War
He also has been defending Islam a lot recently, this isn’t a case of Trump not going far enough or Tucker trying to clear the way for a presidential run
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okmijnmko4 days ago
+2
What are we doing? What’s going on? Huh? Really?
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Bsquareyou3 days ago
+1
I’ll take “nobody gives a c***” for 800…
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Smrleda3 days ago
+1
Tucker can apologize all he wants to make himself feel better but he still supported Trump incessantly and we must never forget that.
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MKW693 days ago
+1
Good. They don't deserve handshake and pat on the back for doing bare minimum.
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CarolinaPanthers20152 days ago
+1
Uhhhhhh......yeah. Nobody out there is just absolutely buying Tucker Carlson's so-called "apology" at all. That's all I gotta say here, folks.
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Background-Jury-19144 days ago
Maybe let’s… get rid of Trump before totally trashing the people leaving his side
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-Sofa-King-Vote4 days ago
+4
he is leaving because it wasn’t his brand of extremism
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
+7
Why? So it's harder to denounce them after Trump's gone?
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
+1
Politics are more than winning the internet snark contest
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
-5
It’s not a snark contest. It’s morality. I’m sorry you can’t tell the difference.
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
+2
You’ve clearly studied Listnook snark instead of real life empathy. I hope the snark wars are everything you want them to be.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
"Hey guys! Remember that fox with the bow ties we let into the henhouse who then let all of the wolves in? Well he says he's totally sorry and will say mean things about one of the wolves if we let him back in again. What's that? The other wolves? Oh, he hasn't mentioned them, but I'm sure it's fine. It sounds like a great idea to me!"
That's why you don't normalize this demon. Not trusting him isn't a lack of empathy. It's basic common sense.
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
+2
When you have to make up a worse analogy than reality…
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GoodtimeZappa3 days ago
Tucker sucks, but people also shouldn't have threatened his wife's life when they attacked his home in 2018 and tried to kick the door in.
Smash Racism, indeed.
Perhaps everyone is insane.
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RollTh3Maps3 days ago
+1
Yeah, compare what I'm saying to a thing a couple of crazies did. Good, healthy argument.
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GoodtimeZappa3 days ago
-1
That was a quick response and I'm not making an argument.
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RollTh3Maps3 days ago
+3
I happened to be scrolling on Listnook and saw the notification. What does that have to do with anything?
>I'm not making an argument.
So you're just bringing something completely unrelated up for funsies? Sure thing.
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PatriotRDX3 days ago
+1
“It’s not a snark contest”. Immediately responds with snark.
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RollTh3Maps3 days ago
+1
Listen, scooter, I’m saying rightfully criticizing Tucker Carlson isn’t a snark contest. Try to keep up
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PatriotRDX3 days ago
“It would be harder to denounce him with the context of Trump gone.”
You could’ve just said that. You can argue politics just as well without snark. It sounds much more convincing to people dug in on the right when you do that.
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knicksmangia4 days ago
+6
We can do both.
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Arch-by-the-way4 days ago
+6
Why? Why do you NEED to be snarky to every republican who changes their mind? You’re literally going to make them dig in even harder.
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Troyabedinthemornin4 days ago
+5
That’s not what Tucker is doing. People can leave Trump because he isn’t awful enough. This man is very dangerous and courts awful ideologies and is only breaking with Trump to drive people further right. I do not need to pat this man on the back for this
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Background-Jury-19143 days ago
+1
That’s not really true. He’s leaving Trump’s side because Trump promised no wars and he started the Iran war. It’s true that Tucker is mostly motivated by a stance against Israel but he’s not entirely wrong about that. The problem is he then takes the very real concerns about Israel’s influence over the US and moves towards antisemitic tropes and conspiracies.
I don’t think Tucker should be praised but personally I think liberals would be smart to let the MAGA civil war tear the republicans apart rather than butt in.
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Doggleganger4 days ago
+2
We should encourage people for rejecting him and MAGA. Blame for the past will only discourage others, making them dig in their support for Trump. That's the opposite of what you want.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
+1
Regular people? Sure. Normalizing Tucker f****** Carlson and giving him the foothold he needs to help grift us into another Trump, maybe a worse one next time, is NOT the solution you're looking for. It's not JUST blaming him for the past, although that's part of it. We also don't trust him to not pull more bullshit in the future.
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Background-Jury-19143 days ago
+1
There’s a way to recognize that Tucker is correct about Trump and the war and Israel while also not praising him and acknowledging he’s dangerous.
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RollTh3Maps3 days ago
+1
Acknowledging that he's "right about Israel" is also kind of dangerous, because he does it from an actual place of antisemitism (and not just the Israeli govt-defined "you criticized Netanyahu, so you're antisemitic" version of antisemitism). If you give people like him any opening of validity, he'll use it to shove his way in and spread hate.
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Halftied4 days ago
+1
I personally think there should be a change in some of the insignificant has beens on that program. I am guessing it is like the Pope. Once in you are there for life.
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TesticleezzNuts4 days ago
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You shouldn’t trash someone for admitting they was wrong. However doesn’t mean you have to forgive them, let them grow as person instead trying trample it.
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SteamedGamer4 days ago
+15
You forget that it was revealed during the Dominion Voting Fox trial that Carlson HATED Trump. Multiple texts from him saying Trump was an idiot, Jan 6 was dangerous, etc. The he goes out in public and professes his admiration of Trump, says the Jan 6 rioters were patriots, etc. He's two-faced, and this "remorse" is only a re-branding attempt as he sees the tide is turning against Trump. He's a rat abandoning a sinking ship, not someone who's had a genuine revelation. No forgiveness for grifters.
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LavaMonsterrrr4 days ago
+2
No one forgets that. Some people believe that people can learn and change though, and accepting apologies shows other people that they can safely apologize too.
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---SmokingMonkey---3 days ago
+3
The dude has a court-documented history of saying one thing publicly and the opposite in private. Even part of this apology, claiming that he never meant to mislead anyone, is a lie.
On what basis do you believe he has learned and changed? Wishful thinking?
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LavaMonsterrrr3 days ago
What’s the downside of accepting his apology? The downside of not accepting it is that you signal to all republicans that we don’t want them to change their minds and they are not welcomed on the left.
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---SmokingMonkey---3 days ago
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The downside of accepting his apology is that you signal to all Republicans that the left are a bunch of gullible morons to whom you can lie over and over and over again, for years, lie even in your apology, and all will be forgiven at the drop of a hat.
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LavaMonsterrrr3 days ago
And seeming gullible is worse than seeming bitter and close minded?
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---SmokingMonkey---3 days ago
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No, being gullible is.
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---SmokingMonkey---3 days ago
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"You're just bitter and closed minded," said the liar as he tried to pull the wool over my eyes yet again.
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LavaMonsterrrr3 days ago
For your own ego or for actually getting more voters?
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---SmokingMonkey---3 days ago
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Well, now you've called me bitter, closed minded, and an egomaniac because I don't suddenly like or believe inveterate liars just because they tell me what I want to hear. Lmao
The most Tucker deserves from the left at this point is the acknowledgement that he's finally said a few honest things about Trump in public instead of in private. Expecting people to embrace him as if he's suddenly seen the light is a ridiculous ask. He's hated Trump for years and lied for him anyway.
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RollTh3Maps3 days ago
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He spreads hate, racism, and actual antisemitism. If you give him an opening, he'll come in with all of that baggage and set us back much further than he helps. You were willing to lie about his political stances when he was on CNN, though, so this response is more for other people to see than to convince you of anything.
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NothaBanga3 days ago
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Apologies are lip service. True acts of contrition go hand in hand with repentance.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
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His entire history (unrelated to Trump) shows that all he does is bend to whatever he thinks will give him a leg up. What evidence is there that this isn't the same ol Tucker and not just empty pandering? If he shows a change in behavior over time, we can start having that discussion, but that hasn't happened.
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s33n_4 days ago
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Thats not the criticism being leveled at him thiugh. Its the once a Trumper always a trumper, leopards ate my face bs.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
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Because if Trump was still holding onto popularity despite his current behavior, then Tucker would still be on board. He's a bigoted scumbag who's only saying this to gain popularity, not because he regrets a single thing he's done.
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s33n_4 days ago
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The majority of the criticism in that article is just because of his past actions. Not saying that he is lying/making a pr move.
Thats the issue. And that sentiment is super widespread.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
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And his past actions make people believe that there's no reason to accept this apology as genuine. I'm really not sure how this is so hard to understand.
And, as for how widespread that is, a lot of Trumpers burned a lot of bridges, being condescending and outright hateful to loved ones who disagreed with them about Donald Trump. Why should anyone believe they're actually sorry based on that past behavior?
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DJfunkyPuddle4 days ago
+1
Ding ding ding. These people rushing to forgive Carlson and others for finally speaking up are absolute cowards afraid of conflict. Letting these people get away with their bullshit is the whole reason we're in this situation in the first place.
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Switch_Silver3 days ago
Calling any members of "The View" stars is a stretch. 🙄🙄
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Jimenezguey4 days ago
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This is why people aren’t able to leave the other aisle. Pure hatred for ever having thought a different way or disagreed on any topic.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
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If you think he actually wants to leave the other aisle, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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-Sofa-King-Vote4 days ago
+6
Lol he’s not becoming moderate
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Ok_Local_19054 days ago
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Changing one's mind is just step one, not the finish line. People don't deserve immediate absolution, especially with what they helped unleash on this country. They have to earn people's trust and that is earned through consistent actions over time.
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ramencents4 days ago
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It’s wild man. “I support Trump” he says, “you’re vile!” They say. “I regret supporting Trump and no longer support him.” he says. “You’re too late and still vile.” they say. We are on a merry go round of discontent that seems to have no end.
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dholmestar4 days ago
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this is like 10th time he's said he's done with trump
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ramencents4 days ago
I dont think it matters. People are sick of Trump and his voters. And no one is in the mood for forgiveness.
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dholmestar4 days ago
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you're correct but your merry go round analogy makes it sound like the left is also to blame for this (it's not)
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ramencents4 days ago
The left most certainly is partly responsible for trumps second term. Kamala Harris got less votes than Biden. A significant portion of liberals stayed home.
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RollTh3Maps4 days ago
+5
Based on Tucker's past behavior, this is just him positioning himself for another grift. He's gone from bigoted grift to bigoted grift his entire life and has done absolutely nothing to show that's changed. If this was just some random person who fell for the BS and voted for him, it would be one thing, but Tucker is one of the major architects of all of this bullshit. Nothing has happened that shows he's genuinely asking for forgiveness and actually regrets his actions. It's far, far more likely that he only regrets that this particular grift didn't work out.
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