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News & Current Events Apr 15, 2026 at 1:14 PM

Virginia decriminalizes suicide with approval of new law

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Virginia decriminalizes suicide with approval of new law - WTOP News
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Virginia decriminalizes suicide with approval of new law - WTOP News
Virginia decriminalized suicide Monday evening with Gov. Abigail Spanberger’s approval of HB43, which abolishes the common-law crime of suicide.

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GromOfDoom 4 days ago +1222
I'm still curious how it's a crime to begin with... They just expect to throw a corpse in jail?
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PhamilyTrickster 4 days ago +2060
They just charge if you fail.  So they take you at the absolute worse your life can be and add charging you with a crime on top of it just for good measure 
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Unicycleterrorist 4 days ago +801
Surely that'll stop people from trying again
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Allenrw81 4 days ago +526
"I bet making everything worse for you on the worst day of your life will teach YOU a lesson!" What kind of dumbass shit is that?
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barndawe 4 days ago +545
Bible-inspired bullshit would be my guess
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BrickwallBill 4 days ago +91
I'm not sure if it's in the Bible directly, but yes it was a doctrine for quite a while (might still be around, not sure) that successfully committing suicide was one of the worst sins a person could do.
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stackjr 4 days ago +137
Catholics consider it a "mortal sin" meaning a person that ends their own suffering can never get into "heaven". Imagine how shitty of a god that is: "I created you, gave you all of this suffering, but f*** you for ever wanting to escape that suffering! Now burn in hell for all eternity!"
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w1n5t0nM1k3y 4 days ago +58
It's a consequence of the beliefs. If heaven is as great as they say it is, and someone who commits suicide can get into heaven,then surely people would be commiting suicide just to get into heaven sooner, even if their life isn't that bad. I'm not saying I agree with the logic, but you can see how making it a sin is pretty necessary to prevent people from getting the wrong idea about how to get into heaven.
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Luke_Cold_Lyle 3 days ago +23
Just leave a note apologizing to god /s
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Snarfbuckle 3 days ago +11
> since suicide definitionally doesn't leave time for that. You would think an all-knowing god would know a persons heart even if they do not tell anyone living...
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Total_Network6312 3 days ago +17
Also life sucks; if people start killing themselves then there goes all the workers.
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Zombie_Cool 2 days ago +2
The *real* reason as far as I'm concerned. You can't be a cult leader if all your followers off themselves chasing Paradise after all.
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genuineshock 3 days ago +2
This was a real problem earlier Christianity faced. In order to keep parishioners alive, they invented the idea of mortal sin and a suitable punishment for "denying God's gift".
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Professional_Net7339 3 days ago +14
Well I mean yeah, otherwise everyone would immediately kill themselves to get into the totally real heaven…
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bastard-harrier 3 days ago +17
The condemnation of suicide came after the Bible. It started in the 5th century, and it was in response to the martyrs and gnostics. People you essentially needed to directly and firmly tell "No, killing yourself will not bring you closer to God." It's just an archaic social rule that scaled up really well for a variety of purposes. Prior to that it wasn't condemned, but still discouraged.
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Sedert1882 3 days ago +3
I didn't know any of that. Thanks for the info, much appreciated.
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BrickwallBill 4 days ago +29
Honestly that downplays the utter horror show that is the Christian bible.(I don't know enough about the other Abrahamic religions to make a comment) You are, at BEST, an unwitting actor in a super fucked up stage play that God wanted to watch, and you better grovel and beg for his love because he's "a merciful God"
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GuestGulkan 4 days ago +11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wood_of_the_Self-Murderers%3A_The_Harpies_and_the_Suicides Once considered equivalent to murder.
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danceswithdangerr 3 days ago +4
When my religious nut of a grandmother told me babies who died before being baptized go to hell, I lost any bit of faith I had left for her and the Catholic’s god.
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gamingnerd777 3 days ago +2
South Park made hell look like fun. Screw heaven. Satan has luaus and Halloween parties. Heaven has well nothing fun like that.
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spinbutton 3 days ago +2
Fortunately I'm not Catholic so I don't have to adhere to their limitations
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Accomplished-Cow-234 3 days ago +5
IIRC, there were some instances of women murdering children so that they would be sentenced to death, but would have time to repent and not technically be killing themselves. A lot less fun than some other loopholes.
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wh4tth3huh 3 days ago +4
I will never understand how people that believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent god think they can get one over on such a being. It's so bizarre, even the small things like eruvs, "the loophole", soaking, and eating fish on fridays because "it's not meat". It's all so silly and childish. Do they think their toddler antics will be appreciated by their all-knowing creator and just dismissed as a cute attempt by his playthings? I thought the purpose of salvation was for people to accept that they are flawed beings that do wrong and that they should ask for forgiveness and try to better themselves through that forgiveness, not try to "uhm, akshually" the Alpha and Omega because you just know you're perfect and do know wrong.
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Longjumping-Royal730 3 days ago +4
Most definitely. To briefly play devil’s advocate, I can understand being angry with someone for that if you knew them personally, but why should our position as a society be to punish people in this situation? We have long needed to cut out the religious undercurrent that has motivated so much of this country’s legislation.
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SuspiciouslySuspect2 4 days ago +36
Leftover from Christianity in the legal system. The bits are everywhere, most places took this out decades ago though.
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seriousnotshirley 3 days ago +4
It's exactly the kind of dumbass reasoning that's used with a lot of our laws and sentencing. The people who come up with this c*** expect that everyone's both fully rational and fully has the same options they do. Just look at how we treat drug addicts and what we know about addiction as a medical issue; or how people will rack up 3, 4, 5 or more DUIs. Like, after the third do we really think the person is making rational choices and just believes they'll never get caught? It's like our laws and sentencing are all written by the people who say "I just don't know why anybody would do that?" Oh wait...
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Itsawex 3 days ago +3
It's illegal to kill am American taxpayer i.e. yourself.
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leapdaybunny 3 days ago +4
Nah, it's because you're clearly trying to get out of paying taxes. Can't pay taxes, what good are you?
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ReasonableChaos27 3 days ago +4
Money. They can’t make money from you when you’re dead
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gophergun 3 days ago +2
I'm sure they'll still do that without criminal charges.
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Hinermad 3 days ago +6
It'll just stop people from failing.
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jessnotok 3 days ago +2
Yep. That's why I'm still here. Waiting for the right method to make sure I'm gone then I'm gone.
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spinbutton 3 days ago +7
Let's see...I'm so hopeless and depressed I try to kill myself. Do the answer must be to drag me through the justice system so I'm even more broke and possibly going to jail? The real message seems to be: If you're going to do it, do it If we really wanted people to live we'd help them
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Tyrrox 4 days ago +6
What? No. Death doesn't stop the tax man, it just becomes the burden of the estate. It was criminalized for religious reasons, and in some cases so there was an established legal process for detaining someone to put them under watch.
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WhatTheFlox 3 days ago +2
How dare you try to destroy government property by suicide. -the government
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EatsWithSpork 4 days ago +127
Don't forget they also pink slip you into a medical facility for an undisclosed amount of time and the cherry on top is you'll probably lose your job. But yay for mental health awareness am I right?
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NotRoryWilliams 3 days ago +23
Yeah, this. I'm chronically infuriated by our culture around suicide. "Prevention" just means we don't want it to happen on our watch, ultimately. "Cry for help" that is consistently responded with "shut up and stop crying for help, it is annoying to the rest of us." The help is just not offered. I have a really simple idea for how a state-sponsored assisted suicide program ought to work. It's really simple: you sign up for the program and then you go to a place where you are guaranteed the right to die in peace after all of the potentially missed interventions are applied. You meet with crisis specialists for a sign off on all the relevant areas: an accountant has to sign off that you don't have solvable financial problems causing your desire to end, and if it's debt, you get assigned a free bankruptcy lawyer, all of your debts are discharged, and you are assigned a career coach and placed in a suitable job. You are then given 90 days to try that and if it doesn't work, you get to come back. You meet with a social worker who verifies that your mental health interventions have been exhausted. Have you tried medications? Have you been given a safe environment to work through it? The program's protections kick in and you are guaranteed a no questions asked leave of absence from your job and given short term disability benefits to cover your bills while the crisis is worked through. Once the social worker signs off that indeed no viable intervention is available and untried, you can move forward - but only after we have answered the potential cry for help. Other lawyers can be involved: criminal to talk about expunging convictions that might be impairing you, disability to potentially get you an alternative living, family to resolve a shitty custody, coparenting, or child support situation. Etc. The bottom line would be taking the cry for help seriously, starting by making all-out serious efforts to solve the underlying problem, and then after the cry is answered, if exit is still desired, provide it. I think that there are a handful of reasons we don't have such a program already, but the main one is that as a society, we just aren't willing to invest the resources in helping people.
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Fast_Acadia2566 3 days ago +6
God it is so awful. Current system only makes people to hide it until the suffering takes them out with certainty. "Prevention" yet what the f*** are they doing, they just seek to punish in effect. It is a complete abomination of a system. Wish we could have a system like your idea. But I guess most people just don't want to invest resources into others.
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NotRoryWilliams 3 days ago +6
Punish, exactly. I work as a disability lawyer so I'm among many people who actually sees it - but maybe I see it from a different perspective because I look at the person's whole file, records from diverse sources. I see the ER visit that just says they were placed on a hold for suicidal ideation. I see the 14 days of inpatient psych records that say a whole lot of nothing. I see a person in a facility for 14 days but I don't see 14 signatures from any one qualified provider. I don't see 14 hours of therapy notes. I just see a couple short check ins with a duty psychiatrist and some notes that say "attended group" and that a nurse verified they weren't dead. Then, after that, I see primary care, psychiatry, therapy after that, all wildly spaced out. Sometimes it's months between the inpatient stay and the next actual therapy visit, just because of backlogs. Often, the primary care notes will contradict other notes because a good chunk of the doctors talk to the person and don't take them seriously. We see psychiatry and therapy showing no sign of coordination, but mostly we just never see enough of any kind of actual care. And we never really see anyone with a higher credential than an LMHC really spend any serious one on one time with the patient. But I'm the disability lawyer so I see other stuff too. I see their job application notes. I see the reports the government asks them to fill out. I see their work history including the part where "reason for separation" is "fired for cause, no call no show, couldn't call them from 72 hour hold at ER." Sometimes I get another wrinkle right after that where their health coverage is interrupted. They had insurance the day they went to the ER, so that's not Medicaid; they are at least on the hook for a deductible which might be $7k. That gap between the ER and their next therapy session, some of it was trying to find a provider that takes Medicaid now that they lost their job and insurance. Etc, etc. And for the most part nobody external cares. People I'm affiliated with are just used to it. These people lives are ruined and we have to keep an emotional distance and just talk about it casually over coffee, because if we actually let ourselves empathize with each of them, we too would be in the depths. Oh wait. Look at that. Here I am anyway. I'm down here with the drowning victims who don't know how not to attack the lifeguard. I've been punched in the face over and over again in this pool and I'm not sure I can swim much more myself. Except that I already know there is no help for me.
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WittyAd3872 4 days ago +33
Wow, how awful
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Traditional_Sign4941 3 days ago +17
Typical Christianity-based law.
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earfeater13 4 days ago +69
Yep. Nothing like waking up in a nervous hospital with a mandatory 3 day stay and a hefty bill at the end. "I hope you learned your lesson!"
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scaphoids1 4 days ago +34
In most places it's illegal to allow police to enter on reasonable suspicion. They wouldn't charge people but they may use the "crime" to gain entry to their home to help protect them.
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EntertheOcean 2 days ago +3
In Canada the police are explicitly allowed to enter a home to prevent imminent death or bodily harm - no need to criminalize suicide.
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Violet_Paradox 3 days ago +6
In theory that's the justification, but in practice it's not so well intentioned.
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uzlonewolf 3 days ago +5
You misspelled "conduct an illegal search to find something to charge them with." Assuming they don't just shoot them themselves.
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Narf234 4 days ago +16
And here I was thinking my life was my own.
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uzlonewolf 3 days ago +7
Nope, you are property of the State, they can tell you what you can and cannot do.
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whitemiketyson 3 days ago +4
USA! USA! Leading the way in mental health care baby!
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OrigamiCatto 4 days ago +25
Puritan Christian ethics. Remember, god put you in your socio-economic class as a preview of your position in heaven. Bad time? Must be the devil. Now these people will say that they want kids... can't have that. Sterilize, sterilize, sterilize. They might not even be white!
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OtakuMage 3 days ago +7
Which only incentivizes trying more thoroughly the next time.
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canyouguysseeme 4 days ago +10
this is about as american as it gets these days! anything to make a buck for the overlords!
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bluecyanic 3 days ago +3
It's like they want you to try again.
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wiriux 3 days ago +4
I’ve always found it stupid that there are laws against this. If someone wants to end their life it’s none of anyone’s f****** business.
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Resident_Inflation51 3 days ago +5
Not really. Categorizing it as a crime means that you, as a victim of a crime, now have access to services that you otherwise wouldn't.
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VWGLHI 3 days ago +1
These people aren’t smart are they? We are just cattle to the government.
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smellmyfingerplz 3 days ago +1
What charge might that be? There is no crime of attempted suicide. Go to a psych ward for 48 hours potentially but thats not a criminal offense
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seanwdragon1983 3 days ago +1
Destruction of company property for most people.
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M-Noremac 3 days ago +1
Wait, so is it attempted suicide that was illegal? Or both? Are they decriminalizing both? Because you can't really charge someone with suicide if they don't actually kill themselves, right?
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PeterTheWolf76 4 days ago +38
There was no "punishment" as yeah... but there was another level of pain for the survivors. The article goes into it a bit.
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merf1350 4 days ago +60
I don't think they've ever charged anyone who attempted, but I could be wrong. I believe it's "illegal" primarily to discourage others from helping (assisted suicide). Although, you can't dismiss the religious aspect of it. Many non- theocratic societies have laws based on religious ideas.
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TinyRandomLady 4 days ago +54
This may be wrong, but I was told that it was so police can intervene. If someone believed you were harming yourself, they could break in to prevent you or get you medical help. And as it’s a crime you’ll be involuntarily committed for I think 48 hours to receive some form of mental health help.
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SetTheoryAxolotl 3 days ago +32
Police almost always make mental health crises worse and there need not be a criminal code to put someone on a 72-hour mental health hold.
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TinyRandomLady 3 days ago +15
Sure. I wasn’t trying to pass a judgment or endorsement of the practice just stating what my understanding was of why it was illegal. Also, how does one place an independent adult in a 72 hour involuntary commitment/mental health hold without involving the authorities? No snark, genuinely curious.
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bb_kelly77 3 days ago +4
You can't, we needed the authorities every time we involuntarily committed my dad, it was just easier because he was in the hospital from each failed attempt
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bb_kelly77 3 days ago +5
It could also be used to find a missing suicidal person, like when my dad went into the mountains to try and kill himself
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throwawayaccyaboi223 3 days ago +4
Iirc the idea is that law enforcement can come into your property to try and stop you, whereas if it wasn't a crime they might not have the same powers. Whether or not American police will actually do that is a different story.
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quantizeddreams 4 days ago +24
I suspect it can be used to prevent life insurance and other beneficiary stuff going to your next of kin.
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secretqwerty10 4 days ago +18
life insurance always excludes suicide
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pablitorun 4 days ago +37
This is not true. Most have a time period that excludes suicide for a year or two after purchase depending on your state laws.
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PhamilyTrickster 4 days ago +21
Only for the first year or 2 on a whole life policy. Term always excludes it since those policies are rewritten every year so you're always in the first year.
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pablitorun 3 days ago +11
Term policies are generally renewed not rewritten. Most term policies longer than 1-3 years will cover suicide.
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phluidity 3 days ago +2
Yeah, renewed my term life last year and the policy excludes anything not declared on the application and suicide for two years. Not that I'm planning that or any extreme sports.
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Wuncemoor 4 days ago +14
It's illegal so that emergency responders can get to where they need to be because a "crime is being committed"
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Shot-Possibility-399 3 days ago +3
The real answer is that it gives police the ability to intervene in someone's suicide attempt. If it wasn't illegal they wouldn't be allowed to do anything about it. I don't care to get into an argument about whether or not they should, so don't bother replying to me.
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EntertheOcean 2 days ago +2
But criminalizing suicide isn't the only way to do this. Canadian police are authorized to intervene in suicide attempts (even entering homes without a warrant) and suicide is not a crime in Canada.
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tothecatmobile 4 days ago +19
It's so police can use reasonable force and arrest you as they suspect a crime is about to be committed. It being a crime helps the police prevent suicides.
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Evadson 4 days ago +22
They can't commit suicide if the cop kills them first. Checkmate Liberals! /s
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bb_kelly77 3 days ago +7
The fact that you've said this means neither you or anyone you love has been suicidal... my dad tried to kill himself 5 times and not a single time has he actually wanted to die
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Shot-Possibility-399 3 days ago +3
What an ignorant take 
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tothecatmobile 4 days ago +15
A lot of people who are suicidal are not in a correct mental state to actually decide if they should die or not. They need help, not encouragement.
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QuillnSofa 4 days ago +17
Punishment? Death Penalty.
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Inimicus33 4 days ago +2
Nah, it'd be life imprisonment
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Denman20 3 days ago +5
I thought it was so they could force you into getting help? I mean if someone’s suicidal the only way you can really force them to comply is to arrest them. If you take them to the hospital they can just sign out and leave.
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RudeHero 3 days ago +2
i don't agree with it, but i can sort of see the logic of the underlying goal. they're just going about it from the wrong direction i think the undercurrent is really about making it illegal to pressure someone to kill themselves, which is harder to prove when it's legal to help someone die ultimate dystopia would be the evil billionaires avoiding solving actual problems or paying for social services by getting the annoying plebs to off themselves however, i think our laws should err on the side of compassion- don't punish the people already suffering the most
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cambreecanon 3 days ago +2
My understanding of making it a crime is so police can enter without a warrant to help since there is a crime/possible crime taking place.
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Sponchman 3 days ago +2
From my understanding part of why it's criminalized is in cases where someone helps, or encourages it, so they can be prosecuted
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Blueopus2 4 days ago +2
There's no criminal punishment for the victim regardless of if they succeed for fail. The two purposes to criminalizing it is that police have more freedom to intervene when a crime is being committed and to punish people who help or encourage suicide.
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ThePhonyOrchestra 4 days ago +1
I'm still curious how you gave this like zero thought
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lionsmakemecry 4 days ago +2
I imagine this is to make it so life insurance is still in play so they cant use some clause to not pay out to the beneficiary. Also, why the hell would it be illegal, it just creates even more for the survivors to have to deal with in the end. We as a nation here in the US should have conversations about assisted suicide for people that know and are comfortable with being done. There is nothing I want less than to become a burden and kept alive, just becuase. Like at some point your life has ran its course and the resources we use to keep people alive, comfortable, whatever... could be better used on someone else.
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Shot-Possibility-399 3 days ago +2
It's so police and other first responders can intervene.
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McGreed 4 days ago +1
Imagine this situation in a fantasy world. You getting resurrected as a zombie to be punished for your crime.
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FireZord25 3 days ago +1
maybe punish the next kin, like imperial china.
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urbanhawk1 3 days ago +1
If you commit suicide your corpse gets a life sentence.
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Ornery-Seaweed-2546 3 days ago +1
If you survive you get to go before a judge. Ask me how I know. Well. You know how I know.
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Be_quiet_Im_thinking 3 days ago +1
So police don’t need anything to stop this particular crime in progress.
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RepresentativeOk2433 3 days ago +1
Would having it be a crime be needed to charge someone for assisting someone else to commit suicide? Morality aside, if committing suicide is not illegal then helping someone commit suicide technically shouldn't be illegal either.
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ManOfManliness84 3 days ago +1
I remember as a kid people always saying "suicide is illegal"
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ReneDeGames 3 days ago +1
Historically it let the state seize your property instead of letting people inherit.
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PurpleSailor 3 days ago +1
It enables the court to mandate that you get help so you don't try to do it again. It's more of a protective custody than a punitive custody.
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cacecil1 2 days ago +1
In some places I think people that knew you were going to and did nothing to stop it might get charged? I knew someone in the UK who was dying from cancer. He wanted to fly to where he could get assisted suicide, but his parents would have needed to help him travel. He discovered they could have been charged for assisting. I don't know if that's still true. It was in 2008.
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AlternativeNarrow192 4 days ago +191
This is actually an important shift in how mental health is being treated legally. Instead of criminalizing people in crisis, it feels like a step toward focusing on support and prevention. Hopefully it means more resources and less stigma for those struggling
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Tranceobsessedone 4 days ago +383
The whole thing is absurd. I didnt choose to be alive. That was forced upon me. i should damn well have the right to decide when i want out of it.
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New-Analyst1811 4 days ago +163
Even if it's decriminalized. You still get locked up for 72 hours in a psyche ward on a judges order for trying. Which is a little more understandable..but when you're in a bad state of mind it can still feel like you're being punished. Especially when you get taken from the hospital to the psyche ward in handcuffs by police.
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Biengo 3 days ago +47
Been in that situation. In a ward for 4 days. I can tell you they make you feel awful. Like you commit so awful crime. The doctors and nurses either treat you with indifference or like you're the craziest of crazy. It was a horrible experience during a horrible time. Its like a "scared straight" tactic. "Don't do it agian or you'll be back here" That said the few that were genuinely caring, cops and nurses both, i greatly appreciated.
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_Not_A_Vampire_ 3 days ago +5
My therapists and doctors have wanted to put me in forced care numerous times, each time I've told them that I think it would just make things worse. It might in some cases stop someone in the moment from taking their life but if I'm there talking to them about it I'm obviously not going to do it there and then.
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TheSolitaryRugosan 3 days ago +12
I’ve heard from multiple people that psyche wards after an involuntary hold is worse than 3 days in jail. Less freedom, even less dignity and privacy. It’s no wonder that people aren’t honest with psychiatrists.
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New-Analyst1811 3 days ago +5
Honestly....the worst part was no cigarettes for me. Like, I was already stressed, depressed, broke. I didn't need that on top of it. Just give me an area and light my f****** cigarette for me so I have no access to the fire lol
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NaughtiestImp 4 days ago +24
Unless your attempt put others in danger thats ridiculous
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Jane__Delawney 4 days ago +63
As someone who’s ass has been saved multiple times by being admitted to a psych ward after failed attempts, it’s not ridiculous. I have bipolar 1, and when I’m manic I try to kill myself because I’m so scared and everything is so dark…if they hadn’t caught me and put my ass in involuntary holds, I likely wouldn’t be here today. When I’m of sound mind, I do not want to die, the previous decision to harm myself was impulsive and reckless…5150’s can help a lot of people who don’t necessarily eat to die, but don’t know any other way out. There’s a big difference between mental illness and the right to die with dignity for someone with a terminal or utterly debilitating disease.
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New-Analyst1811 4 days ago +5
Nah, I did it alone, with no one around, no erratic behavior or anything.
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KimJongFunk 4 days ago +15
Having been the person who found multiple people dead from suicide and who had to clean up the mess they left behind, I’m fine with this. A 72 hour hold is completely appropriate.
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Speckled_B 3 days ago +2
And you get a lovely bill for it as well, that insurance doesn't like to help pay. So... At your lowest, you often get thrust into crippling medical debt because ... USA USA USA
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Educational-Ant-5172 4 days ago +11
Why are you sort of on the fence when it comes to someone being put on psyche hold? It's temporary and that person needs help. This is more directed at the person you're replying to, but being anti-natalist and being anti..... being alive... Well you know those are two completly seperate things.
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New-Analyst1811 4 days ago +20
They sent me a $1100 Bill after my hold. It made me seriously laugh my ass off, but I have a weird, dark sense of humor. I never paid it, no way I would, couldn't care less.
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New-Analyst1811 4 days ago +5
I didn't mean for it to come off that way. The article mentioned the people feeling punished on top of what already happened. I was stating that a temporary hold can feel like a punishment too when you're in a bad place already. I totally agree with you. If I wasn't held and didn't cool off I probably would have done something worse.
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Educational-Ant-5172 4 days ago +4
Got you. My country doesnt do psyche holds and i attempted a second time 48 hours after my first attempt so i think its a good idea to just keep a person in check while they're unstable.
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New-Analyst1811 4 days ago +3
Definitely. And glad you made it through.
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Educational-Ant-5172 4 days ago +4
You too friend ❤️
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TheSolitaryRugosan 3 days ago +7
Because it’s extremely dehumanizing most of the time. If the system was different I’d support it - but please read some stories from folks who ended up in these “mental health facilities” because they were too honest with the therapist. Not to mention the many stories of people held involuntarily for months so that the hospital could milk insurance money. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/public-crisis-private-toll-free-to-check-in-but-not-to-leave-washington-mental-health-care/
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Responsible-Eye6788 3 days ago +3
Longer.  As someone who’s tried to check out multiple times due to shitty life circumstances never improving, I can tell you; people are SO uncomfortable with others committing suicide they will take away your freedom and try to mind wash you into thinking everything is okay.  They’ll keep you until “you’re no longer a threat to yourself” which is just a cover for actually saying “until we know you won’t make us feel bad by killing yourself”.  I swore to myself that next time, I won’t give anyone a chance to lock me up ever again. 
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Hufschmid 3 days ago +9
No living creature has ever chosen to be alive, it's a moot point. You weren't 'forced' to be alive, that was simply the only possible outcome. You might as well say the sun is 'forced' to shine. It can't help it. Life is absurd, so what?
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Panda-Maximus 4 days ago +55
We need to globally acknowledge both the right to and dignity of death. Forcing people to live should be criminal.
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Silent_Johnnie 3 days ago +9
Awww shit boys, it's deathcation time
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2XX2010 3 days ago +1
It’s that or file an extension with the IRS…
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--Noelle-- 3 days ago +23
The new governor has been standing on business, passing so many humane and empathetic common sense laws
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SheZowRaisedByWolves 4 days ago +21
Lots of jokes but in ye old days, you would basically get your entire estate seized by the government and dumped in a ditch outside of town if you were guilty of committing suicide.
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2XX2010 3 days ago +2
Nice. Which ditch?? Let’s go check it out
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gabbidog 4 days ago +59
Its illegal because how dare you take your life instead of pay taxes, we won't help in any way and will make life worse because of that Thats how they thought/still think about it
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Chance_Orchid_3137 3 days ago +10
no, it isn’t. literally no one thinks about it that way. it was illegal to allow first responders and police to do what they need to to get to the person in crisis. that’s literally it. 
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antonio16309 3 days ago +15
Historically, that isn't far from the truth though. The expectation was that God put us all here for a reason and we are all supposed to fulfill our role on society.  It was never about allowing police to help someone; they have the legal authority to intervene whenever there is a reasonable chance that someone is being harmed or in danger, whether a criminal act is involved or not. If suicide was illegal so that police and first responders could intervene with people attempting suicide, then that would mean that they can't do so in Virginia now that suicide isn't illegal.
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Dingareth 3 days ago +2
> we won't help in any way and will make life worse because of that I don't think it is accurate to say that the government doesn't "help in any way". I enjoy the clean drinking water and well staffed schools that my local government provides, the beautiful parks and well maintained highways my state government provides, and the stable foundation that I can build my life upon that the federal government provides. To not see all the things that government touches in your life is beyond naive.
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gabbidog 3 days ago +2
Its in relation to if someone tries to kill them self. With it being illegal it would have resulted in a survivor being dragged through the courts and any mandated appointments/treatments/jail that they decide as well as whatever the police do during their interactions. The government providing everything you stated was not what the comment or thread was about
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Scared-Hope-868 3 days ago +9
My body, my time, my decision.
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TeriBarrons 4 days ago +12
Suicide should NEVER have been criminalized in the first place! It’s ridiculous that they don’t have a problem using tax dollars to prosecute them, but won’t use tax dollars to create more treatments and resources for mental health.
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All_Hail_Hynotoad 4 days ago +9
Historically, suicide was considered a crime against god and the crown.
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shoulda-known-better 4 days ago +11
I mean charging someone with a crime and usually a decent fine for trying to kill themselves has always been the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.... Yes that will help someone wanting to end it all
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Cool_Jelly_9402 3 days ago +10
As someone who tried to off themselves back in 2021 and clearly failed (and I’m now recovered from major depression) if they had arrested or fined me after getting out of the hospital that would have just been proof positive I needed to die
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111anza 3 days ago +2
Well, what are they going to do about it.
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brainiac2482 18 hr ago +2
Phew! I was worried they'd arrest my corpse.
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MaygarRodub 4 days ago +4
Surely it should be 'attempted suicide' and that should never, ever be a crime.
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Chance_Orchid_3137 4 days ago +9
jfc all these commenters not even bothering to read the article. as someone formerly suicidal and virginian, this was classed as a “crime” so first responders could get to you if they needed to. not for punishment, or “not paying taxes”, or any of the other asinine shit y’all have come up with. 
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Pleasant-Shallot-707 3 days ago +11
That seems like a stupid excuse me, and probably a retcon. They could have just passed a law that said first responders can take whatever means needed to save your life
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Chance_Orchid_3137 3 days ago +6
i agree. i’m not saying the law shouldn’t have been changed or that it didn’t create other issues. i’m just annoyed at all the commenters never bothering to read an article, and instead making up nonsensical repercussions and false reasons for why the law existed in the first place.  
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roadsidefoto 4 days ago +6
Conservatives are going to lose their minds and claim decriminalization of suicide will only lead to more suicide. But the funny thing is we can simply counter-argue that if you outlaw suicide, only outlaws will have suicide.
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starrpamph 4 days ago +3
*Credit card companies hate this one weird trick*
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No_Network_9438 3 days ago +1
So... do life insurance companies have to pay out now for suicide?
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Life-Sun- 3 days ago +1
This change is unrelated to the criminality of enabling or assisting with the suicide of *another*. That remains illegal. This is about no longer criminalizing the act of suicide or attempted suicide against *one’s self*. This is largely a symbolic act, but it is meaningful. If a person attempts suicide and fails, they are no longer technically committing a crime. For families of individuals that don’t survive, this is especially meaningful. Decriminalizing an act that clearly requires medical intervention and not judicial intervention is a reasonable change. It’s unclear if this change will impact insurance payouts to the family of survivors. If that happens, it would be dangerous as it would encourage desperate individuals to commit suicide to help their families. That is the outcome to watch.
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BlackMagicWorman 3 days ago +1
Curious if this impacts life insurance 
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compuwiza1 1 day ago +1
In the past, they had the death penalty for attempting suicide.
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