They trying very hard to isolate themselves. May be the world should go along when possible.
1080
JPMoney813 days ago
+359
He's doing this so he can claim they have no allies and he has no choice but to deal with Russia.
359
Ill_Preference_46633 days ago
+144
Tactics of an abuser
144
Gluroo3 days ago
+56
He only knows the tactics of the abuser (you made me do it), the tactics of the rapist (no means yes) and the tactics of the pedophile (you wanted it too), very telling for the life of Donald Trump
56
PanicPuzzler2 days ago
+9
Seriously I don't know why this hasn't been said about Venezuela and Iran. He just goes and takes what he wants Cuba is next he said.
9
GenericRedditor04052 days ago
+9
A lot of the obvious isn’t said directly in mainstream sources because I think mostly they’re afraid of being sued/fired, but it is so clear that Trump thinks and acts like an abuser and a rapist. His primary ethos seems to be might makes right: “if I can overpower you, it is my right to. Stop me if you can, but I’ll hurt you if you fail”
9
feor13002 days ago
+3
Except that he's such a bully it never enters his head that they can stop him. As far as he's concerned everyone is terrified of him and will back down as soon as he threatens violence, and when they don't (Iran telling him to f*** off and fighting back economically) he doesn't know what the hell to do except his best chess playing pigeon impression (i.e. flip the board, shit all over everything, and strut around like he actually won regardless).
3
vroart2 days ago
+1
Bingo
1
llamakoolaid3 days ago
+31
Canada should tell him to f*** off. Stop placating this tub of shit, it only empowers him to continue to turn the screws.
31
healthyitch2 days ago
+39
Carney’s been telling him to f*** off every chance he gets, but in such an articulate and eloquent way that it just goes over mango’s head.
39
kent_eh3 days ago
+67
> They trying very hard to isolate themselves.
Vlad must be pleased with his investment.
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Masrim3 days ago
+25
Seems like a Russian plan described by that ex kgb agent in the 80's
25
it_will3 days ago
+10
Yeah people are forgetting what happened the last time America became focused on isolationism…
10
mulberrybushes3 days ago
+14
Gilead is around the corner. Under his eye.
14
BadmiralHarryKim2 days ago
+1
Remember the episodes where they visited the front lines of the civil war?
1
Parking_Chance_19053 days ago
+6
But why is Carney not negotiating for better deals!!! It's not Trumps fault! /s.
6
No_Manufacturer8683 days ago
+742
I hope Canada continues to tell them to f*** off!
742
RiPPeR694203 days ago
+376
As a Canadian, me too. Especially because I'm guessing he's looking for an easy win with his base to distract from of how atrociously the Iran war is going. I'm all for renegotiating trade agreements with a sane American government, but I doubt the US will get a better deal then what they had before. NAFTA was a deal given to a trusted ally and friend. Neither of those apply anymore, and probably won't for living memory. If anything, this has pushed Canada into looking back across the Atlantic to Europe and the UK, with more then a little China and India thrown in.
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No_Manufacturer8683 days ago
+164
From an Australian, elbows up!
164
Royal_Airport79403 days ago
+54
For reals, mate.
54
nerdyPagaman3 days ago
+16
How are you guys doing with the Iran shit storm?
UK here - our fuel prices seem stable at around 155p/litre.
16
ClayeySilt3 days ago
+8
Leaf here, we're at $1.67 CAD/L
8
RadCheese5273 days ago
+10
$2.13/L this morning in Vancouver
10
ClayeySilt3 days ago
+2
Oof. Is everything that expensive in 'Couver?
It'd be nice to move out west at some point. Luvs me mountains.
2
cardew-vascular2 days ago
+5
It's transit taxes and the like added on - its $1.95 outside the metrovan area, now outside the metrovan area it's cheaper but we also have shit transit, so it's a trade off.
5
RadCheese5272 days ago
+1
That, and taxes on gas offset property taxes. It’s a lot less out here than when I was in Ontario
1
RhubarbAfter40082 days ago
+2
Well, we're paying the Bike Lane Construction Contractor Friends of City Council Award tax on the west coast.
2
yukonnut3 days ago
+1
$1.89 in Whitehorse.
1
Antics162 days ago
+1
$1.79 in NB
1
No_Gur11132 days ago
+1
$1.75/L in Newfoundland today.
1
AtheistKiwi3 days ago
+6
Kiwi here, they hit £1.75 but have cooled off a bit to £1.45.
It was about 75p at Christmas.
6
twinparadox3 days ago
+1
I'm from the capital of Aus, it's about $2.05/L as of yesterday here
1
asfletch2 days ago
+1
Dropped from over $2 to about $1.80 in eastern suburbs of Melbourne yesterday.
1
No_Manufacturer8682 days ago
+1
Fuel prices are through the roof (pretty much on par with you guys) but last fews days have been tracking down. According to local media we have a lot of fuel heading our way from South East Asia.
1
RiPPeR694203 days ago
-61
Lol. Worst case scenario (Trump makes good on the 51st state bullshit) you guys can help the Americans learn the Geneva checklist wasn't a totally Canadian invention. You guys just kept worse (or better, depending on your point of view) records of the soon to be warcrimes.
-61
jacksgirl3 days ago
+45
Canadians do not want to be American
45
patentlyfakeid3 days ago
+5
We're learning these days that $ spent in military efforts doesn't necessarily get your way. Russia expected a 3 day conflict, The states clearly expected Iran to roll over. Where are we now? In both cases, the mouse roared and expectations needed to be modified.
Unless we're talking total, scorched earth war, the states would not even break even if they tried conflict with us Canadians. If that's true, it's in everyone's interest to actually just negotiate. Lutnick et. al. are drinking too much Manifest Destiny juice.
5
gordonjames623 days ago
+43
> renegotiating trade agreements with a sane American government
At this point the best picture of our relationship with USA is that they are the psychotic and violent ex boyfriend.
All the best strategies are about distance and new safe relationships.
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RiPPeR694203 days ago
+26
In an ideal world, the Democrats sweep the Midterms and Trump and co get impeached and imprisoned. The likelyhood of that is probably slimmer then me suddenly inheriting a billion dollars or having the opportunity to have a 5 way with Lacey Lennon, Sydney Sweeney, Jennifer Aniston and Heather Graham. Technically possible but I rate the chance at pretty close to non zero.
26
silam393 days ago
+8
Anything short of a completely reworked constitution, replacement of the supreme court justices and entire abolishment of the electoral college, and no one in their right mind would trust the US on anything.
that is to say, it's not happening.
8
stinky_wizzleteet2 days ago
+1
IF, and I mean in the most imaginative terms, happened it will be decades if not more until the world starts doing anything with the US.
To say that Trump has effectively caused the complete downfall of the US is an understatement.
The world was at DEFCON 3 after the first Trump presidency. We've been really showing the uglier bits and didnt do anything. Then Trump 2. Based on recent news were closer to DEFCON 2.
You dont come back from that easy.
1
UnlikelyReplacement03 days ago
+28
Even if they do get a clean sweep, expecting the democrats to actually do something is the biggest mistake. They might go through the motions, but they'll have their couple controlled opposition folks who will vote with the republicans in order for nothing to actually happen.
28
DaFookCares3 days ago
+33
It doesn't matter to us (Canadian's) what happens in the US elections now. We can't have a trade partner that is so unstable that there is a risk of another Trump - not just in the short term, but long term. This is because it takes time to move trade relationships and adjust supply chains.
The work is already underway to decouple much trade away from the US for Canada. Many deals have been signed and efforts continue.
There is no going back.
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Serapth3 days ago
+13
It's actually insane how fast it's happening too...
In 2015, 62% of Canadian exporters relied on only the US market for their exports. In 2026... it's 34%!
It used to be 75% of Canadian exports went to the US, now it's 67.3% (as of October, no doubt fallen much more than that). Getting that number down by 10% in a year is absolutely insane... and it's only the beginning.
Of course we will need to work on infrastructure to get it down further. LNG terminals and ports on the east coast to supply Europe. Widening the pipelines to the west coast. More trade deals, more ports like Churchill, more rail, etc... and all of that is happening.
We won't go back to the way things were, and in the long run, we will reap the benefits, all the while the US can go get fucked.
13
CamiloArturo2 days ago
+6
That's the exact issue. Trump isn't s problem. The system which out him up there is. You can have Jesus Christ as president the next term but 30% of the US population believes.... After having voted hifir him before.... That he was their guy, and 30% couldn't care less if he was the guy.
When the population stays the same, the next (range Idiot will step in
6
Some-Band22252 days ago
+2
Removal from office requires 2/3 senate. The issue with impeachment has never been the Democrats, the Republican senate at the ones who vote it down.
2
RiPPeR694203 days ago
+1
I think I gave my honest odds lol. Though I could see them trying to figure out out to get a party-hack-also-ran into a position as Speaker of the House if they have the votes to impeach and convict. You will have Hilary Rodham Clinton, Kamala Harris, or whomever the DNC and their corporate overlords pick and you'll like it, you filthy American peasants. I'm Canadian, so my only dog in this fight is hoping Trump goes before he can make good on his 51st state threats. The trade war is probably good for the Canadian economy, at least in the long run. I just got out of the Navy. I'd hate to spend my retirement coming up with a new Geneva checklist against my former allies, especially because I quite liked going to the US. Especially Fleet Week. Or at least I did. Doubt I'd be able to cross the border now, based on my comment history lol.
1
efrique2 days ago
+1
Even if the dems took both the house and the senate in the midterms (house, sure, the senate is a stretch, but *maybe*) that would not be enough to convict in the senate. It takes 2/3, not a majority. 67 votes. In the senate. What planet does this happen on?
They *might* get further with the second method under the 25th amendment, perhaps.
1
Glittering-Quote-6353 days ago
-3
If it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen right after the mid terms. That would allow Vance two years and then two terms. I’m not convinced that’s not the plan.
-3
RiPPeR694203 days ago
+3
If Trump gets impeached, his whole administration will almost certainly get impeached with him, including Vance. They are too intertwined in corruption for really anything else to happen in that scenario. Absolute best case would be AOC becoming Speaker of the House, because that would make the MAGATs seeth, rage and cry like the snowflakes they are. And AOC would be an excellent President. Though the likelihood of tbe Democrats sweeping the midterms in both the House and the Senate and AOC becoming Speaker of the House in that scenario are slim to none. I wouldn't put it past the DNC to run Hilary or Kamala in the safest house seat possible in a special election to give either one of them the job if they had the opportunity.
3
Terrible_Children2 days ago
I don't get why everyone acts like Sydney Sweeney is some pinnacle of sexiness.
Her face screams "average idiot bimbo" to me.
0
corvak3 days ago
+17
This. We’re better off looking at a sort of CANZUK (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK) partnership as well as the EU.
Similar economic powers and in many cases fellow commonwealth members that we can sign fair deals with that benefit us all.
17
chipmunksocute3 days ago
+10
As an American I agree with all of this.
10
SomeScreamingReptile3 days ago
+13
As a New Yorker
Elbows up
13
Tsquare433 days ago
+5
As a New Jerseyan, ditto.
Don't give this administration anything.
5
doublebaconator2 days ago
+1
Honestly I'm an American. I love you guys. The orange child rapist can burn in hell. I'm routing for Canada. Elbows f****** up, every good person down here understands.
1
guisar3 days ago
+37
This. It’s not as if taco honors any agreement anyway. Better off just avoiding the show
37
Serapth3 days ago
+31
The funny thing is... politically EVERYONE must tell him to f*** off.
There is a reason UK and France aren't capitulating anymore, that Spain is outright antagonistic. In the vast majority of western countries, being seen as pro-Trump is a political death sentence.
Here in Canada, the opposition party was cruising toward a massive victory and would have got their too if their leader wasn't a spineless cur. Had the PC party adopted a spin and strong "F*** Trump" stance, they would have won, even with Carney being an obscenely strong candidate.
Since the elections it's gotten even more pronounced. Being pro-US is a surefire way to alienate domestic voters. Put simply, even if is would be politically easier, leaders around the world are being forced to stand up to Trump or suffer domestically.
This... this is a good thing. A very good thing.
As to trade negotiations now, it's clear that Carney is just waiting out Trump. No deal worth signing is possible, and no contracts with the states are honoured. We will get by on NAFTA as it stands and wait for either Trump to lose in the midterms and for congress to start doing their f****** job again... or we will decouple from the US more and more, so when CUSMA expires fully in a decade, we will be in a better position.
31
canadiangirl20603 days ago
+200
I wouldn’t be negotiating anything until after the midterms. Let the bloodbath happen first, then come back to the table.
200
Jeptic3 days ago
+118
I thought that Hilary Clinton was going to clean his clock. Since then, I am super suspicious of any 'sure thing' in politics.
118
rk579573 days ago
+71
in 2016 Clinton won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes but still lost the electoral college garnering 227 votes compared to Trump's 304; in 2020 when Biden won the popular vote by over 7 million votes he won the electoral college with 306 votes compared to 232. I always found it interesting how much a Democratic Presidential candidate has to win the popular vote by in order to win the electoral college vote.
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fleebleganger3 days ago
+63
It’s why republicans believe the electoral college is as sacred as apple pie
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jebascho3 days ago
+20
Except for a brief window in 2012 when they believed Obama lost the popular vote.
20
PrincessNakeyDance2 days ago
+16
It’s because the electoral college is weighted in favor of low population states which tend to be republican dominated states.
We need to abolish it. Population vote should be the only thing by that matters. Empty land shouldn’t have voting rights.
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Tamaros3 days ago
+29
Hilary was never a sure thing. The DNC was huffing their own supply and their friends in the media went right along with.
29
midnight_fisherman3 days ago
+18
Hillary was never going to win after her "bankrupting the coal industry" comments. She threw away the swing states of PA, and OH, meanwhile Trump held rallies in a bunch of coal towns in the area about making them great again.
In the end, voter turnout is what decides elections. Hillary had nothing going for her except being the first woman president, but Trump had the built up frustration of the rust belt behind him with his anti-establishment "drain the swamp" posturing. He gets his people excited, and showing up in droves using WWE promotional techniques that are very effective but continue to be underestimated because they seem so outlandish on their face.
18
Hamonwrysangwich3 days ago
+11
Don't d******* the fact that the right seethed over the Clintons for decades.
11
Jeptic3 days ago
+4
This is true. That coal talk was out of touch. She was being honest there but she needed to be a politician and by golly Trump was more than that. It didn't matter even if he lied, his showmanship was what they craved.
4
2M4D3 days ago
+4
Yes, lies often tell a more appealing story.
4
Prize_Proof53323 days ago
+26
At this stage, he’s already a lame duck. Most governments appear to be hunkering down for the next two and a half years, essentially 'waiting out' the clock in hopes of a return to sanity.
26
gordonjames623 days ago
+9
> hunkering down for the next two and a half years,
Midterms are a closer target to see Trump lose influence.
9
pingveno2 days ago
+1
Unfortunately, there won't be a "return to sanity". We elected Trump not once, but twice. That means another Trump-like figure is definitely in the cards. America is less stable than it once was, and countries will need to factor in the election of another fickle populist.
1
AmoebaBullet3 days ago
+223
Canadians aren't as dumb as Trump... His tactics won't work on them...
223
PM_THE_REAPER3 days ago
+114
No one is as dumb as Trump.
114
AmoebaBullet3 days ago
+65
Youd be surprised.... Haha
65
BeefMcPepper3 days ago
+111
~30% of the American population
111
Dangeroustrend3 days ago
+41
That’s underselling it, it’s probably more like 40-45
Plenty of closeted MAGA
41
kent_eh3 days ago
+12
The most recent approval rating I have seen shows Trump still getting [38%](https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin).
12
Dangeroustrend3 days ago
+3
Again many are closeted
3
BeefMcPepper3 days ago
+4
Nah I don’t think that’s true. Most ppl don’t give a shit beyond gas and grocery prices
4
Dangeroustrend3 days ago
+12
That’s exactly right, they’re selfish with us MAGA motto… if anything if that’s all they care about they’re more likely to turn to trump because that’s a inherent characteristic not to care about anything other than themselves
12
kent_eh3 days ago
+13
> No one is as dumb as Trump.
[38% of Americans](https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin) are.
13
Cautious_Goose_55683 days ago
+10
His base?
10
DonOntario3 days ago
+10
Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?
10
furgussen3 days ago
+3
Except for the 77 million Americans that voted for him
3
Inside_Essay92962 days ago
+1
just his followers
1
UnlikelyReplacement03 days ago
+21
You obviously have never met a rural Albertan.
21
Perfect_Opposite21133 days ago
+12
We have them in urban Alberta too. I have to drive by their petition stations here in Edmonton around once a week. It’s pretty amusing watching all the vehicles driving by them flipping them off though.
12
Ham_I_right3 days ago
+11
I get a kick out of them always having 3 people at the booths 2 sitting and one pretending to be signing.
Keep Alberta rat free, take a hike seperatists.
11
thiscompletebrkfast3 days ago
+2
Remember when donald tried that pull-in hand shake grade school schtick with Trudeau and embarrassingly failed miserably?
Remember the kissy-faces and blushing melania was sending Trudeau's way?
** "That was awesome. :)"
2
Parking_Chance_19052 days ago
+2
Some of us are... there are people here praising Trump for standing up to Carney for some reason.
2
-ReadingBug-3 days ago
+4
Canadians aren't as dumb as T̶r̶u̶m̶p̶ Americans.
4
MiamiVicePurple3 days ago
+1
Some of them most certainly are.
1
qazxdrwes2 days ago
+1
Trump's tactics is making actions and events political when they aren't. Think COVID, war, laws, sports, airplane crashes, interest rates, etc... if anything bad happens it is bad and DEI. If anything good happens it is because he (a Republican) did it.
The issue for him, is that the world outside of America, Republicans don't have a connection to Canadian conservatives. Conservatives in Canada mostly have an anti American sentiment. It didn't cause a rift from right and left, because they're both supposed to be team Canada. Obviously this isn't true in all cases, but we all saw the election results flip in a month. The liberals went from unwinnable to near majority, and then majority during by-elections.
He doesn't understand why countries are being more united against him, because he believes the right wing of any country should support him. But obviously most people in most countries support their own country and not Trump.
1
ZuAusHierDa2 days ago
+1
I mean, a majority of Canadians is now for joining the EU. That would be pretty dumb.
I’m German, I would love to have closer ties with Canada. But their whole economy is in line with the US, not with the EU. Implementing all the EU standards and regulations would be very painful for the Canadian economy.
And most of their exports are still going to the US, not to the EU.
1
pew-pew-bacca3 days ago
-7
I don't know that it's dumb, at least not always. Some countries are so reliant on the US that they're desperate and almost have to agree to jump through these stupid hoops. Canada is not one of them. They can tell Trump to f*** off and will be just fine.
-7
StuntID3 days ago
+3
I bet he's mulling closing the Strait of Juan de Fuca, eh?
3
Snozaz3 days ago
+2
I hate to admit it, but we are very much reliant on trade with the US, for now at least.
2
tuppenyturtle3 days ago
+6
The difference is we have the ability to diversify. It might be a rough couple of years but there are plenty of other countries that will be happy to deal with us - the benefit of being a natural resource heavy country.
As someone who works in Automotive Manufacturing in Canada I say rip the bandage off.
6
OrdinaryCanadian3 days ago
+42
USA is what you get when the mob takes control of the federal government of a country.
This is just a Mafia shakedown. Trump can take his tiny outstretched hands and shove them up his ass!
42
UbiSububi83 days ago
+27
Trump is charging a cover and a 2 drink minimum.
Then again, he *is* a comedy show.
27
P4cific43 days ago
+2
''Trump is charging a cover and a 2 drink minimum.'' But the well cocktail bottles are now empty, the comedy show is cancelled and you're now asked to leave the premises without a refund since you already 'enjoyed' the club.
2
TemporarySun3143 days ago
+234
\> "\[U.S. President Donald\] Trump wants us to make a lot of concessions before we sit down at the table," Charest told Radio-Canada. "Meanwhile, he wouldn’t make any."
I guess that summarizes the behavior of Americans. They dont believe in mutual benefits through cooperations as partners, but for them a "fair" treaty is them ripping off others... Everyone else has to set back their own interests because the US are the greatest and the world should just submit to their interests.
But that is not how it works, and then americans will complain how everyone is so mean and unfair to them again.
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DonOntario3 days ago
+134
And on top of that, the US has also shown that their word is worthless and that after getting one concession they'll just demand more.
About a year ago, the US said Canada's Digital Services Tax, which cost US big tech companies, was too much of a "hurdle" and was blocking trade negotiations with Canada, so the Canadian government cancelled that tax. In response, the US did nothing, didn't ease up tariffs on imports from Canada, and didn't restart trade negotiations.
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BadmiralHarryKim2 days ago
+10
They also bragged about Canada had "caved" to their demands.
10
chaos88033 days ago
+31
That's exactly how Dipshit Donny thinks. In his dementia riddled "brain", there has to be a w***** and loser. The loser part is more important to him. As long as they lose, he wins. That's all that matters to it.
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TemporarySun3143 days ago
+21
And Americans seem to agree on that mindset. That's what "America first means" and that what trump get elected twice.
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Hamonwrysangwich3 days ago
+13
It's because the people who love college football but hate colleges think politics is zero-sum, like a sporting event. One person (country) wins, and everyone else is a loser.
13
Yelworc02423 days ago
+47
Push it down the road, they will be begging for help in a few years. Meanwhile we build alliances with the rest of the world.
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metalconscript3 days ago
+6
Man I am all about a fair deal and try to do that in my own life. Half the time my fellow Americans just twist it to varying degrees. The worst is at my work, it’s the military so not sure why I’m surprised.
6
Ok_Excuse_7413 days ago
+5
They already complain when they have all the advantages of the world over everyone else yet get upset when another country is beating them in an industry by playing the same game (see Chinese EVs, Canadian softwood lumber, etc)
5
Fragment513 days ago
+125
As a Canadian I will never forget or forgive the US. It’s over and the best thing we can do is try to disengage as much as possible as quickly as possible.
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vissith3 days ago
+28
As a US citizen, I don't blame you.
Unfortunately, we need to take some big hits here in order for our population to wake up the rest of the way. So we need other countries to stop trying to deal with us. We need shortages and economic ruin to get bad enough to really foment meaningful change.
I hope we can be strong allies with Canada again after we get through this horrible period we're in and elect leaders that aren't fully unserious turds.
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hannabarberaisawhore2 days ago
+5
We need to protect our water! We have lots of it and they’re going to come for it eventually.
5
mxpower3 days ago
+24
THIS 100%
I wont buy anything US unless its absolutely necessary and have already succumbed to the notion of never stepping on American soil ever again. Many other nicer Countries out there.
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No_Iron_80873 days ago
+52
Trump and his cronies are gangsters, they run the U.S. like an extortion racket.
The country has lost all credibility on the world stage and is a laughing stock. The reputational damage alone is borderline irrecoverable let alone the havoc these gangsters have wrecked both domestically and internationally. History will not be kind to those who just sat by idly and let a group of morons and lunatics destroy what was once a flawed but admirable nation.
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CliffBiffington3 days ago
+44
And to think Pierre Polievre here attacks our prime minister thinking we can negotiate with them.
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DisastrousAcshin3 days ago
+17
Attacking is all he has
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Wyciorek3 days ago
+13
How about uno reverse? US pays to enter the talks
13
lexcyn3 days ago
+13
How about f*** off and NOOOO. Get fucked Trump!!!!
13
banned-bot3 days ago
+12
So here's the deal if you think the Conservative brain rot hasn't traveled to our side of the border you're mistaken. I have co workers with the F Carney flags who think Liberal governments are incapable of negotiations. How the F do you negotiate with these morons?
12
Jamlad3 days ago
+12
Why even try to negotiate with this administration? Any agreement reached will be canceled before the ink is dry.
Don't go!!
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gordonjames623 days ago
+38
I stand behind our government taking a tough stand against a hostile power.
There are many nation that have more reliable leaders and a better history of not breaking trade agreements.
[USA is currently our largest trade "partner"](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2020001-eng.htm) with $556B in exports to USA in 2025.
This is (down 6% from 2024 to) 72% of out total exports.
Regarding imports, 59% of all our imports ($474B) come from USA.
Realistically, **we can't change those numbers too quickly without disruptions that feel bigger on our side of the border because of our smaller size**.
What we can to is strategically target things that will hurt USA. These are characteristics to look for.
* We supply an important part of their market which they can't easily switch suppliers. (Potash, Steel, Aluminum, Critical Minerals, Oil, pharmaceuticals, lumber, tourism etc.)
* We can find replacement buyers for our products.
* Raw materials we ship to USA for processing (and resale back to us) where we can develop processing into finished goods.
* Increase costs or reduce access for transportation links (ports & rail lines) where USA has to pay more or have longer wait times if they want to move their products to other markets.
I think our government is doing a good job in many of these areas.
**We don't need to be in a hurry to interrupt our enemy while they are making mistakes in trade, economics, foreign policy and loss of influence on the world scale.**
* First target date - **Tuesday** - let USA delay talks with their stupid call for concessions we don't respond to. Let Trump bluster until taco Tuesday.
* Second target date - Midterm elections when Trump loses power in his own government. The more power he loses in his own government the less power he has to be annoying to Canada.
* Third target date - Various times when industrial and agricultural needs require resources (aluminum, potash, lumber, oil, electricity) because their reserves have run out.
* Various times when USA products need transport to market through Canada.
Biggest strategic steps
- Look to replace our dependence on USA markets by finding different buyers for what we produce and different sellers for what we consume.
- Look to reduce how often we send unprocessed materials to USA for them to process and profit from our resources.
- Increase local food security with greenhouse growing of food needs.
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GOU_FallingOutside3 days ago
+18
> Let Trump bluster until taco Tuesday.
The fact that this is such a widely known fact is an enormous problem for the administration and the President personally. His only tactic is bullying; I’m not saying that’s right *at all,* but even in a practical sense it’s become worthless. Why bother listening to the bully when literally everyone knows they just have to wait a few days?
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Longjumping-Turn19802 days ago
+3
556B to 474B... we are getting hosed hard.
Population wise we are importing like 9x what they are, and they have the gall to say we are taking advantage of them. F****** idiots leading the circus down there.
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Exarch3 days ago
+6
> Second target date - Midterm elections when Trump loses power in his own government. The more power he loses in his own government the less power he has to be annoying to Canada.
Oh I'm fairly confident the American people will ensure the Republicans remain in power after the mid-terms. I wouldn't bank on them collectively having any kind of startled awakening and feeling the need to correct course.
We should assume they will continue to vote Republican and not deceive ourselves otherwise. Remember: Listnook is not representative of the the general population. Americans seem to live the direction their country is going in.
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BadmiralHarryKim2 days ago
+3
American voters, at least the swing ones who determine elections, have consistently proven they are selfish, short sighted and unwilling to endure any sort of personal hardship. Remember when the rising price of eggs was a huge issue?
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Elrundir2 days ago
+2
No, but I remember when the *alleged* rising price of eggs was a huge issue. The actual rising price of eggs under Trump seemed to go over just fine with his supporters.
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Various-Salt4883 days ago
+11
Canada should demand a double entry fee back.
At this point, just f*** with them. The yanks are not negotiating in good faith.
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Cultural_Time_60053 days ago
+10
It's time to put additional fee for the electricy being used by US from ontario
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GardinerExpressway3 days ago
+9
Trump is so stupid. Right after he was elected if he kept his mouth shut he would be negotiating with Poliviere who would suck up to him and give him what he wants. Instead he started talking about annexation and 51st state and galvanized Canadians into electing an economist who despises him
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VexedCanadian843 days ago
+7
the weaker Trump is, the more insane his demands get
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Jedleft3 days ago
+7
Good luck with the threats and extortion it’s not going to work anymore
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CorgiKnightStudios2 days ago
+6
Remember that shitty county that wouldn't do anything diplomatic for you unless you fed it an unrealistic ammount of money in Civilization?
That's the USA in real life.
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thismadhatter3 days ago
+5
There is zero intention to negotiate anything in good faith. Canada needs to basically say "all negotiations take place in Canada from now on" and not make any move to initiate negotiations.
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Mala_Practice3 days ago
+4
In that case Washington can make like a tree and f*** off.
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bwoah07_gp23 days ago
+5
Don't pay it Carney!
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LilLebowskiAchiever3 days ago
+4
Pay an extortionist once, and he’ll always come back for more….
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Polartheb3ar3 days ago
+4
Canada said nah.
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RemarkableAgent13503 days ago
+4
The Americans can’t be trusted for anything. They’ve lost any and all credibility. Canada needs to continue diversifying, building new alliances, and moving away from tight US economic integration and single market dependency.
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SniffyTheBee3 days ago
+5
If Iran can inflict pain on the US economy by closing the Strait of Hormuz, imagine if Canada shut down the St. Lawrence Seaway
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Jalapeno-hands2 days ago
+3
You mean like a shakedown?
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Big_Knife_SK2 days ago
+4
>However, Canadian sources said they have twice offered concessions to the U.S. administration without receiving anything in return.
Bring back the Digital Services Tax. That was billions in concession to US tech.
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Nawbruvy3 days ago
+6
Too funny. The United States still believing that they are a nation none can live without. It’s the other way around, if other nations didn’t buy the United States debt, the United States wouldn’t exist anymore.
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VPestilenZ3 days ago
+3
Carney: "No"
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yukonnut3 days ago
+3
Put American booze back on the shelf is a no brainer. on consignment. The Canadian consumer has lots of other options. Everybody makes good wine. There are lots of whiskies. And if you want American beer, just buy some decent Canadian beer and add a bunch of water.
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ThreeEquation3 days ago
+3
There is American alcohol on the shelves. We just don’t buy it
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yukonnut3 days ago
+3
Good for us.
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Plantron12 days ago
+3
Next he is going to say we were asking for it.
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DistanceToEmpty2 days ago
+3
I'd completely support the Liberals going scorched earth if the US tries to strong-arm us. Export duties matching any tarrifs they impose and additional export tarrifs on any energy products or fertilizer heading to the US. Anything they exempted when they imposed the original tarrifs is a potential pressure point for them. Refuse to negotiate until 2029 if need be.
F*** em.
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NeitherFunction18413 days ago
+6
Americans should recognize the generational damage done to the relationship that once existed. And for what? At the same time, Canadians should thank the Trump administration for finally knocking some sense into Canada and lighting a fire to begin the proper diversification of the economy into non-US markets - something that successive Canadian governments, even after Trump’s first term - failed to do in any substantive way.
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herbfriendly3 days ago
+7
The world needs to be a good parent to the US right now. Put us in time out, stop rewarding tantrums and heap a bit of tough love on us. We desperately need it, and I think the world needs it or peace is just a pipe dream.
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OverallManagement8243 days ago
And if y'all have any of those Epstein files stashed away, feel free to release them too.
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Nandulal3 days ago
+4
best I can do is a kraft dinner and aboot $3.50
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Any_Helicopter94993 days ago
+1
No ketchup? No deal!
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manticore162 days ago
+1
Do they have a sale on Monster Munchies?
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Reddvox3 days ago
+7
Carney: Here, that's three fiddy...get yourself an icecream and come back when you have some hairs on your balls, USA
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denoflore_ai_guy3 days ago
+2
We’re on the guest list. We know the dj.
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danielrobertcampbell3 days ago
+2
FFS! It’s insane that IRAN is the only country that seems to know how to stand up to a bully. TELL HIM TO GO F*** HIMSELF!
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Downtown_Umpire22423 days ago
+2
go to hell us a
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akaelmedio3 days ago
+2
Well that ain't happening.
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doctorfonk3 days ago
+2
Idk why but I thought I was in one of my hockey subs and I was so f****** confused about the entire headline here
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YouWhatApe3 days ago
+2
Wanna see clowns, gotta pay for the circus ticket.
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imjustsurfin2 days ago
+2
tRump is the Pennywise "leading" the clown show.
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G3Saint2 days ago
+2
Art of the Steal
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lylesback22 days ago
+2
Just wait till 2027 and he'll be impeached and/or the 25th is used.
Let's deal with the next president.
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J_M2 days ago
+2
The grift never ends
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CatFishBillyheyhey3 days ago
+4
Sick of USA bullshit.
On behalf of all Canadians
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OkFix40743 days ago
+3
Roumor goes Canada told US they can keep Wayne Gretzky and Kevin O'Leary,
And will wait for midterms !
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Wooler13 days ago
+3
As if they’re not already his/theirs…
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Longjumping-Barber983 days ago
+1
Like the x,y,z affair?
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Upset-Spring-73693 days ago
+1
Walk away.
DONT give them anything but our backs.
Dead deals Donald cant stick with his own agreements anyway
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Y8ser3 days ago
+1
Ha ha ha! F*** Trump and his cronies!
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vicalpha2 days ago
+1
Of course
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_jump_yossarian2 days ago
+1
Is trump already renegotiating his tremendous, best ever trade deal treaty? So soon!
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Illustrious-Job-63902 days ago
+1
These people think the world is as stupid as they are
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tingulz2 days ago
+1
Trump can get fucked with his demands.
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Alternative-Ad-10272 days ago
+1
Canada needs buy him another jet.
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chaosunleashed2 days ago
+1
Should just do a bunch of stuff that will have no effect. "The federal government will no longer stop spirits from being added to shelves. September 31st will henceforth be known as Trump friendship Day. Dairy cows born in the United States now living in Canada will be exempt from tariffs."
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willowdove012 days ago
+1
Everyone disliked that
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officerboba2 days ago
+1
End of July, no one will pay or post any news how Canada caves because they have no leverage.
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IndigoRuby2 days ago
+1
All this is doing is refueling Canadian rage at the US.
The US can't be trusted while this conman has the keys. Maybe not ever.
CUSMA is good for another 8 years (or close to that) we can wait out Trump.
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PsychedelicConvict3 days ago
+1
Going to take 40 years to rebuild the world trust lost in my country. This is embarrassing. Crazy how quickly the blinders come off. We are teetering on the edge of self destruction and its entirely our fault.
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Exarch3 days ago
+4
Probably a lot longer than that, to be honest. It will take multiple generations of Americans to show their country is trustworthy and I'm not holding my breath on that. The USA will have to decline much, much further before there's any kind of chance for enough of collective awakening to start a major course correction.
I don't believe any of us alive today will be around to see it.
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LilLebowskiAchiever3 days ago
+1
We will be treated like a drug addict fresh out of an addiction recovery clinic.
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PsychedelicConvict3 days ago
+1
What a great analogy. Who can trust us? Why believe anything we say.
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mike1948273 days ago
Trump is just doing what daddy Putin wants him to do.
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