The fact that Jeanine Pirro and Todd Blanche are even trying to lead this case is total insanity. They were literally ducking for cover under the tables at the Hilton when it happened. They are witnesses and victims. This is Conflict of Interest 101 yet here they are trying to run the prosecution anyway.
It is just pure incompetence on display. They are so desperate to keep a Trump appointed loyalist in charge of the narrative that they are basically handing the defense a mistrial on a silver platter. Any first year law student could tell you this needs a special prosecutor but they would rather turn the whole trial into a political circus than actually follow the rules. It is embarrassing to watch.
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olearyboy21 hr ago
+1202
Have you seen their win rate recently? This is the best news for the defense
1202
Niceromancer21 hr ago
+601
The DOJ had probably the best win record in history, and the trump admin has trashed that in under a year.
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freedfg21 hr ago
+428
The DOJ had a solid win record because they were actually leading investigations, cooperating with the FBI, persuing criminals and fraudsters.
Less so political enemies and random brown people that were caught up in random stops.
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flirtmcdudes20 hr ago
+141
The DOJ only brought cases that were basically air tight because they knew if they constantly brought bullshit through that got thrown away, people would lose trust in the department.
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SoftlySpokenPromises20 hr ago
+83
Lo and behold, faith is gone
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statu06 hr ago
+2
The Trump team didn't read that memo.
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samosek21 hr ago
+83
And prosecutorial discretion. If the DOJ is picking what cases they bring based on the merits of the case they are at a huge advantage. If they are bringing cases to satisfy political grudges and as theater that advantage disappears
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MyPasswordIsMyCat19 hr ago
+47
The DOJ is also haemorrhaging competent lawyers and recruiting bottom-of-the-barrel jackasses to replace them. Grades, test scores, and experience don't matter. They just need to say they'll do anything for their orange daddy.
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samosek19 hr ago
+8
We are truly living in the age of the sycophant.
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SkunkMonkey19 hr ago
+5
They also wouldn't take a case they weren't 99% sure they would win. When you can pick and choose like that, it's not hard to get a good win record.
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0o0o0o0o0o0z15 hr ago
+1
> The DOJ had a solid win record because
Because they are using taxpayers' money and purse cases with a high win rate out of prudence. Nevertheless, ~~having~~ had competent attorneys.
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aetryx21 hr ago
+100
I was watching LegalEagle and apparently now Judges are throwing out cases brought to them by the DOJ because they can’t rule out the possibility the evidence against accused is totally bullshit.
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WalesIsForTheWhales20 hr ago
+63
The DoJ has burnt it's own credibility within the US legal system.
That's almost not possible.
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Niceromancer20 hr ago
+36
It used to be a judges default position was the DOJ did their work so they would generally trust their recommendations.
It hasn't even been a year and judges and now closely investigating any case brought by the DOJ because they cannot be trusted any more.
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bros40219 hr ago
+8
They're going to need to put an asterisk next to their win record to exclude the Trump years.
Also, I think the USPIS has the best win record.
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bluemitersaw10 hr ago
+1
They're going to put an asterisk next to these years.
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stairs_373021 hr ago
+20
The DOJ is grasping at seashells. Hilarious.
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KathyJaneway19 hr ago
+2
What win rate? 😂 More like all lose rate.
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Madbiscuitz20 hr ago
+5
I haven't. What is it?
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olearyboy20 hr ago
+25
Most of the headline cases have been thrown out of court or slap on the wrists.
From grand juries, subway sandwich attacker, to the girls who kicked the c*** out of big balls ( on camera )
Mainly because of bombastic filings, incompetent procedures and going to the media, making it impossible for defendants to get fair trials.
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Outlulz14 hr ago
+4
The saying is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. Grand juries have refused to indict multiple people the Trump admin have gone after. Also all of the attorneys with any kind of experience have all quit or been purged for being seen as not loyal enough so there's no one left in the DoJ that is good at prosecuting.
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Suspicious_Bicycle10 hr ago
+1
Just like Trump's $10 billion defamation lawsuits, the goal isn't necessarily a conviction. The goal is to drive the headlines and avoid any mention of the Epstein files.
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JasonVorhehees20 hr ago
+1
Honestly I’m excited, just because of the discovery it could lead to
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LittleKitty23521 hr ago
+102
In the Trump justice system, the ratings matter more than the outcome. Also a mistrial allows Trump to complain more about how rigged the justice system is so he can appoint more loyalists.
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meddle_class5 hr ago
+1
opportunistic brilliance. inspired
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_BreadDenier21 hr ago
+139
Letting this guy go on a technicality would be so f****** funny.
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OceanRacoon19 hr ago
+38
There's a chance he might just sprint out of the courtroom and never be seen again, he's the fastest man alive
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Jeanric_the_Futile21 hr ago
+58
Maybe thats the point if its a false flag and all
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heshKesh17 hr ago
+7
I don't think they would be above sacrificing some guy even for a false flag.
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centipededamascus16 hr ago
+5
They killed the guy in Pennsylvania, after all.
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WWIIICannonFodder3 hr ago
+1
I don't get why people think any of these are false flags. He seems to be one of the most hated presidents in history, and it's not the first time US Presidents have been assassinated or have had extremely close calls with assassination attempts. The real world isn't a video game where the player automatically lowers his weapon when an important character enters the scene. All those guns in the US are out there and the country is full of lunatics to use them.
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Jonnyflash8021 hr ago
+3
I would laugh so hard!
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IANALbutIAMAcat21 hr ago
+62
It’s not even conflict of interest 101–it’s more like the opening paragraph of the syllabus.
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Violet_Paradox18 hr ago
+12
I think Stephen Miller wants several high profile mistrials. Gives the regime something to point at and say "look, this whole due process thing is dangerous, look at all the criminals walking free! It's much better for you to be guilty if we say you are, trials are too risky."
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TrainDestroyer10 hr ago
+2
Personally I don't think he's that competent. I still can see them using the mistrials to try to claim that, but I genuinely just think its them being incompetent.
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FarmerFilburn421 hr ago
+71
I’m an attorney. I disagree that Pirro, Blanche, and their office need to be DQ’d. I’m all for calling out Trump appointees for incompetence or corruption, but this isn’t it.
Neither of them are legally “victims” of any criminal act (as neither was harmed) and neither of them saw the shooter or the events leading up to his illegal actions. They likely aren’t the best prosecutors to be handling such a high profile case, but there simply aren’t any constitutional or ethical issues with them or their office being involved in this case. It’s not like either of them will be called as witnesses (and the judge would view any attempt to do so by defense counsel incredibly skeptically).
I suspect that the judge will bar Pirro and Blanche from arguing in court (or they will likely volunteer to do so to moot the issue). **But there *is not a snowball’s chance in hell* that this case gets taken from their office.**
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magicone257121 hr ago
+52
But even if they weren't victims couldn't you claim they were affected by the events and in that would affect how they handle the case?
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FarmerFilburn421 hr ago
+42
You could claim that, just as defense counsel is doing now. But, in my experience, such an argument will almost certainly fail (just as how the judge has telegraphed it will here) given that their only connection was being in a different room from the shooter and didn’t see him engage in the illegal acts or acts preceding the illegal acts.
DQing prosecutors and/or their offices is not something courts take lightly. The policy behind that is that prosecutors should be able to punish and police wrongdoing on behalf of the citizens in their own jurisdictions. You **sometimes** see a change of venue, but that is **different** than DQing prosecutors.
It’s not going to happen here, absent a limited order that Piro and Blanche cannot *argue* in court (or they seek to moot the issue by volunteering not to appear). But even then, I sincerely doubt that happens.
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musashisamurai21 hr ago
+25
I'm not sure whether you'd make a terrible attorney or an amazing one because the first poster commented about removing this case from Pirro and Blanche, not their entire office.
As for bias, if you are ducking and covering from an attack, I'd say that covers being impacted by it. Regardless of whetherbthey were witnesses to the shooter, they were witnesses to the event, and any good lawyer is not only going to be able to argue this, a better lawyer would understand the need to avoid that whole argument from the start.
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FarmerFilburn421 hr ago
+27
Yeah, I read what they posted. But I’ve also followed this issue independently, and the defense is asking for their *entire office* to be DQ’d. Pirro and Blanche head that office. So, for comprehensiveness and clarity, I discussed the entire issue here. Hopefully someone learns something from my comment.
And I hear you. But unfortunately the law (and most importantly, the judge in this case) disagrees with your bias arguments.
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Warning_Low_Battery18 hr ago
+6
> But unfortunately the law (and most importantly, the judge in this case) disagrees with your bias arguments.
And that judge will likely keep believing it right up until Pirro's stupid, drunk ass says something outright biasing on live TV like "This Democratic terrorist shooter had us all afraid and diving for cover"
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Scaryclouds18 hr ago
+5
The defense is arguing for it, but the poster is saying it should be a special prosecutor.
Pirro and Blanche heading this does seem a display of incompetence as it does add an unnecessary element of risk to the prosecution in the form of a mistrial, as they were directly impacted by the defendant’s criminal behavior that is at the heart of this case.
The judge may have ruled against right now the DC office being too biased to prosecute this case right now, but that doesn’t mean they might not come to that finding later, especially in the (somewhat likely) scenario Pirro, Blanche, or Trump make inflammatory remarks regarding this case.
Appointing a special prosecutor to handle this case adds a layer of protection.
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fightclub902105 hr ago
+1
Can the defense not call upon them at witnesses?
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keloyd19 hr ago
+3
I really want an OJ result all over again. What I mean, and what I slightly recall of the facts is (1) He did it. (2) [The cops were corrupt](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-09-07-mn-43219-story.html), planted evidence, lied under oath, and had earned a bad reputation. It appears that some of the excess blood drawn from OJ was sprinkled it all over various gloves and clothes, then got positive DNA matches, and then Mark Fuhrman cowered behind the 5th Amendment. Jurors are rational to say things aren't proven beyond a reasonable doubt even though he also (likely) did it.
Due process in this case presents an opportunity for a not-guilty verdict to send a constructive message to the rest of The System, imho, but it won't happen. He's never setting foot outside a prison for the rest of his life. The delays and mistrial(s) will be milked for victimhood fantasies and fundraising for several years. I hope the other convicts treat him ok.
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DenimCryptid8 hr ago
+1
It's almost like they're trying to f*** the trial up on purpose... but that would be crazy!
It's not like the shooter was someone hired to fail an assassination attempt as a way to boost Trump's numbers or something. Like I said, that would he crazy!
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DarkLordKohan8 hr ago
+1
Trump hates special prosecuters
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MoiraBrownsMoleRats20 hr ago
-1
Lol, they're gonna end up getting the case thrown out because of stupid fascist loyalty bullshit.
-1
ArgyleTheDruid20 hr ago
+1
That or part of the performance
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Frequent-Ferret-511019 hr ago
+1
> This is Conflict of Interest 101
An accurate description of every action anyone in the Trump administration has ever taken
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THSSFC21 hr ago
+733
I love how the verbiage in this article does not specify who shot the agent, just that he was hit by gunfire.
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stana3221 hr ago
+470
If he shot anyone they would be repeating it nonstop, they don't want to admit that he didn't shoot anyone so they just keep making it sound like it was him.
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KathyJaneway19 hr ago
+64
They're implying it was him, when actually the other cop shot him..
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rje94620 hr ago
+45
It is very noticeable that they always imply but you have to go to arcon to actually see him being accused of it.
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ExpiredPilot20 hr ago
+14
Didn’t the video show a friendly fire by the Secret Service?
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Elendel1919 hr ago
+9
If he even raised his weapon he would have had 107 holes in him. Absolutely ludicrous to claim he shot an agent with a shotgun and was not shot by the dozen armed officers in that hall, but was simply tackled instead
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firenamedgabe20 hr ago
-16
If someone gets shot because you are committing a felony it doesn’t matter who pulled the trigger, you caused someone to be shot. Legally, and let’s be honest, morally you are responsible for that person’s injuries.
It’s pretty obvious this guy is guilty as hell and should be held accountable for the guy who was shot, and any reasonable person regardless of their politics should be in agreement with that statement.
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E1M1_DOOM20 hr ago
+71
I don't think too many people are parsing who is responsible so that the accused can be absolved. I think it's more to expose what they see as poor judgment on the part of the security being provided.
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stana3220 hr ago
+37
Yeah, legally he is responsible but the secret service has made huge fumbles the last 2 years. They're trying to save face and drum up support from MAGA by implying that he shot the secret service agent.
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guitar_vigilante19 hr ago
+15
Law enforcement friendly fire is A LOT more common than most people think.
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VillageShort337119 hr ago
+4
Military friendly fire is incredibly common as well. Something like 30% of gunfire deaths in war are friendly fire. Just comes with the territory of having people around guns.
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guitar_vigilante19 hr ago
+3
I think it's a little more understandable (although not good) with the military just given how chaotic combat is supposed to be, but the way cops talk and portray themselves you wouldn't think they are shooting each other as often as they do.
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VillageShort337119 hr ago
+2
Yea I was just thinking that soldiers are much better trained than cops so what hope do cops have lol. USSS members are going to be even better trained though, so they really shouldn't be shooting each other.
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guitar_vigilante18 hr ago
+2
I think the main thing is that cops, secret service and FBI included, do not have the restraint you would hope for from people in those positions and tend to be more trigger happy.
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inquisitive_guy_0_120 hr ago
+18
Makes you wonder why all the people who committed felonies like seditious conspiracy on Jan. 6 weren't charged for the multiple people killed that day.
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petersrin20 hr ago
+8
If only ICE, our "leaders," and The Party would agree with this statement.
Well, okay, they will, but only for this and not the countless deaths they are indirectly responsible for due to them directly committing major crimes like treason and stuff.
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UncleSamsDiscardPile20 hr ago
+7
Yes, but also, f*** this administration.
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GiorgioTsoukalosHair20 hr ago
+3
Yeah, f*** innocent until proven guilty, let's take the word of a regime that lies about *everything*, *every day*. Bake him away, toys.
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DartTheDragoon20 hr ago
-4
The court of public opinion doesn't wait for a court of law to rule. There is a video. We all saw it. It is an open and shut case.
-4
TitleOfYourSaxTape19 hr ago
+68
> "Prosecutors allege that Allen attempted to storm past a security checkpoint and fired a shot at a US Secret Service agent at the event at a Washington Hilton hotel. The federal agent was hit in an exchange of gunfire but was saved by his bullet-proof vest."
It's insane how they word-smithed this to make it sound like Allen was the shooter, without so much as mentioning that it was a 9mm bullet that officers use, and not something coming out of a 12-gauge shotgun.
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Bitter_Tea44219 hr ago
+37
Also, he did storm past a security checkpoint. Even trying to make it seem like USSS succeeded in stopping him. So much mental gymnastics.
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LeekTechnical204819 hr ago
+22
“An exchange of fire” bro didn’t fire a single shot did he. Just the SS.
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copyofa_14 hr ago
+2
More like a “gift of fire”
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lebastss18 hr ago
+2
I was very much in the wait and see camp but video of him charging with a drawn shotgun in hand is pretty damning. Also I did see one article state the officer was hit with buckshot.
But that still could be bullshit and the video that came out could be AI
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Gunblazer4210 hr ago
+2
> Also I did see one article state the officer was hit with buckshot.
IIRC some articles say it was a bullet some say it was with buckshot so it's not even clear what the guy got hit by.
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Hellstorm90119 hr ago
+34
They've pulled this before
A federal agent a while back shot at a person they were trying to arrest as part of Trump immigration crackdown and the agents round ricochet and his his colleague, they charged the unarmed man they shot with injuring the agent by virtue the agent wouldn't have been injured if he didn't "have to" shoot at the man
I can't recall the verdict of the case but that's the mentality they used cementing the idea they believe if they shoot their own people it's someone else's fault
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LeekTechnical204819 hr ago
+12
Remember Alex Pretti? Didn’t an ICE goons gun go off and that’s why he got shot?
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ENaC214 hr ago
+10
That was slightly different. Alex Pretti was a state sanctioned public execution of a man following the law. There was no accidental friendly fire causing injury to an officer.
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woodst0ck1515 hr ago
+1
Cause they found out he was shot by another SS agent.
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CronoDroid20 hr ago
+1
Must have been the wind.
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Outlulz14 hr ago
+1
Normal copaganda from media. They will not publish anything that makes the officers look bad unless there's no way other way to frame the story because they are afraid of losing access to police press conferences.
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Blubbolo21 hr ago
+479
Didn't the secret service shoot each other?
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GarbagePailGrrrl21 hr ago
+147
Probably, but the director of the secret service (who got his position simply because he “looked good” in the fist photo from the other staged assassination) said the shooter shot an agent point blank with his shotgun. If that’s the case, how the person survived (even with a bulletproof vest) is beyond me.
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GTS25020 hr ago
+46
Shotguns aren't armor piercing, generally. Soft vests stop 12 gauge from killing, generally, though it would break some ribs and put the agent in the hospital.
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Anon_Bourbon19 hr ago
+32
Feels like an important time to remind people the actual shell/bullet used in shootings really matters. Buckshot isn't going to harm anyone in a vest, a slug is a different story.
The main reason 50 Cent lived through 9 shots is they probably used really shitty ammo, not ammo designed to expand in a specific way that causes the most damage (c**** vs expensive)
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airfryerfuntime19 hr ago
+30
50 Cent got *very* lucky. No vital organs or arteries were hit. He was shot with 9mm, and even c**** 9mm ball ammo will kill you quicker than shit if you're hit in the right place.
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SanityIsOptional18 hr ago
+6
Buckshot is still pretty bad, that's a *lot* of kinetic energy being dumped into someone's body. Even if it's stopped by the armor that just distributes it across a larger area. Broken ribs, bruised organs, and possible internal bleeding. Quick/dirty approximation is about 50lbs dropped 1ft.
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Anon_Bourbon17 hr ago
+2
>Buckshot is still pretty bad
Yeah I don't wanna seem like the guy who says a .22 or buckshot is nothing to scoff at because I'm not signing up to take either.
>Broken ribs, bruised organs, and possible internal bleeding.
Not gonna be a great time but als able to walk away. Maybe a day or two in the hospital. It's all about penetration depth and slug vs pellet is just devastating.
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sack-o-matic19 hr ago
+5
Buckshot has very little spread at close range.
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OceanRacoon19 hr ago
+4
The guy said in his manifesto that he was going to use buckshot rather than slugs to minimize collateral damage
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Anon_Bourbon17 hr ago
+2
>buckshot rather than slugs to minimize collateral damage
If he misses with slugs, sure. Whoever is getting hit is getting a big hole.
Any scattered buckshot is just gonna pepper bystanders, especially depending on pellet size per shell. I've been in a dove field where people where peppered and while rightfully upset and a fight ensued, no one had to go the hospital.
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OceanRacoon16 hr ago
+1
Did you beat the pepperer up? 😮
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pimparo011 hr ago
+1
Were they peppered with birdshot? Because buckshot will send you to the hospital unless they were a fairly significant distance away.
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ExpertExpert12 hr ago
+1
> Buckshot isn't going to harm anyone in a vest
do a demo please
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Anon_Bourbon9 hr ago
+1
See my other comment where I acknowledged it's nothing to scoff at because like .22 I'm not signing up to get shot by either.
Just a real acknowledgement because I didn't realize the true difference until I started hunting and finding a bullet that works best for me and the shots I take.
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Oxirane19 hr ago
+16
The shooter alleged that they were using buckshot to avoid collateral injury/death (via projectiles penetrating walls), I'd think the bulletproof vest would also fare better with buckshot.
That said I don't think I've seen any story alleging that the agent was definitely hit by the shooter so it does sound like that was probably friendly fire.
Edit: looks like they're saying they found buckshot in the agent's Kevlar, which suggests the agent was hit by the shooter: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/secret-service-agent-hit-by-buckshot-from-the-gun-of-man-charged-in-correspondents-dinner-attack-prosecutor-says
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PatSayJack15 hr ago
+2
Buckshot is some of the most powerful shotgun ammo available.
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elephant35e14 hr ago
+2
Depends on the shotgun ammo and the bulletproof vest.
Slug? Good at penetration.
Buckshot? Powerful and will hurt.
Birdshot? Not good at penetration.
3.5 inch magnum turkey loads? Very powerful.
Level 2 bulletproof vest? Will be torn by slugs and probably all 12 gauge ammo?
Level 3 bulletproof vest? Soft armor will have no problem stopping birdshot/buckshot but may not stop slugs. Hard armor will stop any shotgun round though.
Regardless, even if the vest is successful at stopping the pellets/slug, there may still be injuries such as bruised/broken ribs. But survival is definitely possible.
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OG_Williker20 hr ago
+26
Yeah the whole thing just looked like a guided tour to me. It was a peaceful protest, just like Jan 6th.
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tarion_91420 hr ago
+15
More peaceful than Jan 6th, as no one died this time and wasn't a prolonged riot to overthrow the government.
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itcheyness17 hr ago
+4
Nobody was smearing shit in hallways or stealing things, it was all a very orderly political demonstration.
Oh, true! Why do we have to make this event political? It was just a guy trying to exercise his first amendment rights.
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Ok-disaster202221 hr ago
+13
Most likely. As a blast from a shotgun would have very different effect on body armor than the 9 mm sidearm of federal agents. the Armor is designed to protect from 9mm, shotgun will be very dependent on load and distance. But buckshot at close range can easily shred most body armor
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Wilibus221 hr ago
+8
All the evidence suggesting this means we should claim there is no evidence suggesting this.
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Moneyshot_ITF20 hr ago
+3
Yes. 100%
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airfryerfuntime19 hr ago
+1
We don't know yet, they haven't released a report.
But *probably*, especially since they're not droning on and on about this guy doing it.
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S_K_Y20 hr ago
+123
Either way, pleading not guilty is how it's rolled 99.9% of the time anyway.
It gives the defense more time to collect evidence and make a defensive claim. Nothing new here.
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willstr119 hr ago
+38
Pretty much the only time a suspect pleads guilty is if they took a plea deal
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MrPine518 hr ago
+2
It’s called the “Shaggy defense”.
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kWUBWUBa17 hr ago
+38
he's charged with attempting to assasinate POTUS. He pleads not guilty. Will they have to prove his target was Trump? I don't believe the manifesto mentioned trump by name so am i correct in assuming that they will have to prove that when he said pedophile, rapist, and traitor, he was referring to trump?
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Row-Bear16 hr ago
+40
Like a game of deduction..
"Your honor, members of the jury, there were many traitors, rapists and pedophiles in the room that evening.
Some of the traitors are rapists, some are pedophiles. But the suspect targetted specifically a pedophile, rapist traitor, so therefore you must conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the intended target was the president. We rest our case"
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JcbAzPx8 hr ago
+1
Sadly that trifecta was quite common in the room at the time.
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sylveonstarr15 hr ago
+1
That's what I would assume. There's a theory that Lee Harvey Oswald never actually meant to assassinate JFK, but rather John Connally, who was sitting in front of Kennedy. Maybe it's a similar situation here?
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hiro2421 hr ago
+171
While I thoroughly believe this was a real attack (I don't wear the tin foil hats) I really hope he's like "Nope, I was hired. This was fake. That's why I'm innocent." Just to throw shade on the whole situation.
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ThaddeusJP19 hr ago
+26
*"I was just taking my gun for a run and the Secret service started shooting, no me!"*
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OceanRacoon19 hr ago
+5
I hope he says Trump used a militia to threaten his family to make him do this as a false flag lol
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lurpeli21 hr ago
-33
The fact is it's not a tinfoil hat when there's a plethora of evidence that not only this attack, but the attempted assassination of Trump were both possibly staged and false flag attacks.
In this case the fact administration officials said ahead of time there would be a shooting is suspect. Even more so when the very next day Trump is using this as an excuse to have taxpayers fund the ballroom.
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rightwingcrimespree20 hr ago
+36
Did administration officials say there would be a shooting? I was only aware of Karoline Leavitt having said something along the lines of "shots will be fired", referring to verbal jabs, not actual gunshots.
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insecureatbest9419 hr ago
+10
Yeah but that’s enough for a conspiracy theorist to use to support their idiotic claims while plugging their ears and shouting “I can’t hear you!!!” when people start talking logically
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mlorusso418 hr ago
+1
I think people who are jumping on leavitts shots fired quote are morons who are grasping at straws. But I do think the more interesting thing is the Fox News reporter calling in that she was sitting next to leavitts husband before the shooting who leaned over and said “You know, I watched you on TV, you do a great job. You need to be very safe." And he was just very serious when he said that to me, and he kind of looked around the room and said, "There are some-“ and then gets abruptly cut off. The host then seems to go out of his way to explain it away as bad cell service in a way that of all the times I’ve watched news broadcasts they never do. They never go back to the reporter but a few hours later she tweets that he was just saying to be safe in general, nothing to do with the dinner
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superkeer20 hr ago
+25
This guy is going to stay silent for the rest of his life in a max security prison so Trump could have an excuse to pitch his ballroom a little harder? What exactly is he being given and/or threatened with? Seems like someone should go down that road, right? Maybe you can take that on for all of us. Find some receipts that don't require one of the many people involved in this cover-up to accidentally leak something, since this administration is famous for its ironclad keeping of secrets.
The fact is there's no evidence any of this was staged. People are finding plenty of reasons to *believe* it was staged, but there's no actual evidence or testimony to that effect.
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immutable_truth20 hr ago
+5
Careful! That level of critical thinking to conspiracy theorists is like daylight to vampires!
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BeenJamminMon16 hr ago
+3
I wouldn't rely on a dumb kid with a budget rifle, c**** ammo, and an insufficient optic to shoot my ear at a quarter that distance. To rely on such a low quality package to hit Trump's ear (and not the rest of him) at 150 yards to achieve your conspiracy is wishful thinking at best and outright ludicrous in reality.
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Average_Wizard20 hr ago
+7
Can you share a link of an administration official saying there would be a shooting?
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immutable_truth20 hr ago
+8
“The fact is it’s not a tinfoil hat…now let me go on to tell you my tinfoil hat theories and interpretations disguised as facts…”
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Hellstorm90120 hr ago
+31
Whatever your feelings on this are the federal prosecutor and judge both being directly involved parties who were literally there in the room this happened and thus both the prosecutor and judge are goddamn witnesses and the people who may make the sentencing is so wrong it's not even funny and needs called out
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TintedApostle17 hr ago
+8
The judge and Prosecutor never saw him. They had no idea who he was until later. Now they are also tainted as prosecutor and judge.
This one is going to be interesting. If the prosecutor decided to charge more than they can prove well because Trump made them... well hmmm.
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MorsOmniaAequat21 hr ago
+67
Who did this guy shoot?
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Adiligian20 hr ago
+42
From the article:
> Prosecutors allege that Allen attempted to storm past a security checkpoint and fired a shot at a US Secret Service agent at the event at a Washington Hilton hotel. The federal agent was hit in an exchange of gunfire but was saved by his bullet-proof vest.
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rje94620 hr ago
+86
Notice it doesn't actually say he shot anyone there. He did a shot and the guy was hit. The connection isn't actually made
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Djinnwrath21 hr ago
+31
So, no one.
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Crombus_19 hr ago
+19
No shots fired = no shooting.
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ImaginationToForm218 hr ago
+3
He shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! I guess he was lost, huh?
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Ok-Try-8577 hr ago
+3
Yesssssss. Discovery should be fun. I can’t wait.
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dangubiti19 hr ago
+5
Pretty good chance DOJ flubs the case tbh
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Ok-disaster202221 hr ago
+26
Yep. All he did was tressoass with a firearm. He didn't shoot anyone.
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DartTheDragoon20 hr ago
+34
Attempted assassination of the president can get you life in prison. Whether or not he actually fired isn't particularly relevant.
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ma-sadieJ16 hr ago
+2
I have a feeling this case will be like the second attempt attempted shooter trial they will do the whole trial without anyone knowing and somehow find him guilty,
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collin300014 hr ago
+2
The very first thing I thought with this headline is that someone whose goal was to murder the President, who had used a gun to shoot a federal agent and had a knife on him, is at trial. Meanwhile cops will kill people just because they thought someone had a weapon on them.
Trial is the way things are supposed to go. And this headline reminded me that the level use of force by American police is definitely not justified if someone trying to assassinate the president with weapons can be apprehended without killing them.
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Blue_Back_Jack13 hr ago
+1
I’ve been hit by buckshot, hurts like the dickens.
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Accurate-Cup530921 hr ago
+4
Hold on a minute, there’s still a few more countries to invade first
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myflesh20 hr ago
+4
I can not read because of a payawll. Is he claiming not guilty by reason of insanity or just straight up "I did not do it?"
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lessenizer19 hr ago
+6
It's unclear (or if anything's implied then it's going over my head). They mention the not guilty plea and then just go on to mention his lawyers saying that certain people who were present at the event should be disqualified from the case, and they talk about other details of the situation but I don't see any explanation of the reasoning for the not guilty plea.
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tburke3820 hr ago
+7
Last I checked we had the right to bear arms and there’s nothing illegal about doing sprints down a hotel hallway. My client is innocent your honor
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Smart-Bird-571216 hr ago
+2
He must be innocent then. Is that how it works? That how trump supporters have treated Trump when he has pleaded not guilty.
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RidetheSchlange20 hr ago
-1
yeah, what else is an innocent person going to do?
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Whatdoesthibattahndo19 hr ago
+3
\>“You can only ask so many times,”. Trump further stated, “Every time he sees me he says, ‘I didn’t do that,’ and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it,”
\-Trump (referring to Putin), 2017
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Mockturtle2218 hr ago
-1
I'm so tired of this administration
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Miserable-Biscotti5421 hr ago
-12
Hopefully he’s found not
Guilty.
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Adiligian20 hr ago
+1
Because you approve of people barging through security barriers and shooting at secret service agents?
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McKlown17 hr ago
+2
>shooting at secret service agents
Except he didn't. Go watch the actual video(not Trump's AI "enhanced" version). The agent that was shot got hit by friendly fire.
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Miserable-Biscotti5420 hr ago
-1
His Case has already been mishandled. Prosecutors are conflict of interest
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