It completely ignores the major points in the US 15-point ceasefire. The US is asking for denuclearization, no more funding of terrorists, free opening of the strait… basically giving Iran nothing while being able to resume bombings any time there is a random terrorist attack.
There will not be a truce in the immediate future. They’re not even providing counter proposals that are negotiable. Both proposals represent a total victory for each side
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jeffersonianMI4 days ago
+62
They basically say that the USA/Israel will just bomb them again anyway, so their only hope is to inflict massive pain and damage to deter the US/Israel in the future.
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SayNoToFirefighters4 days ago
+40
of course they would.
Why would Trump and Netanyahu stop this war? It would bring the focus back on them and they dont want that.
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got-trunks4 days ago
+30
Bibi is just happy he's been allowed to just take southern Lebanon while the world is shitting its pants about other things.
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Melanoma_Magnet4 days ago
+8
And trump is just happy that people have stopped talking about him raping children
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got-trunks3 days ago
Nah it's worse for him, now he looks ridiculous rather than evil and it's killing him lol. Just watch.
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jeffersonianMI3 days ago
'Ending a whole civilization never to be brought back', sounds pretty evil to me and not ridiculous.
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got-trunks3 days ago
+1
It's because his presentation and packaging is always over the top and then he under delivers.
Everyone is talking about nukes in the media, it's much more boring and easier and what they are presently doing, just to knock out their gas.
Millions will die and more will suffer, but you dont need the pageantry. That's just his personal flair.
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jeffersonianMI3 days ago
+1
My feed has civilians dying in droves every day. Often gruesomely. I would not describe it as 'just knocking out their gas'.
I think we have different feeds.
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got-trunks3 days ago
+1
idk my feeds have bombers taking off 90 mins ago and if they are not called off because Iran will not capitulate then the plan is to starve 90M people in a desert of power and water, and the IRGC has a simple line of when that happens all hell breaks loose to see the rest of the gulf see the same so..
same feeds different reads? i donno
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SkinnyFatSoldier3 days ago
-3
Lebanon shouldn’t have started its war with Israel then
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mike_jones28133080044 days ago
+5
It’s almost as if every military planner and politician involved in the last 50 years came to the same conclusion, but wasn’t caught f****** kids or facing prison for corruption and easily able to manipulate the pedophile one into doing it for him.
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postsshortcomments4 days ago
+2
It can now be established as fact that it was reasonable to assume this conflict was MAD or an attempt at MAD with grave domestic and international implications - including economically.
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rubbarz4 days ago
+6
Art of the deal president, BTW.
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Shockkdiamondss4 days ago
+12
Trump taking lessons from his master, Putin.
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Smok3dSalmon4 days ago
+12
Crude Oil prices just went to new highs. Market is probably accepting that the end is less near than we hoped
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Fantastic-Corner-6054 days ago
+3
If Trump doesn't back down then all this was just the beginning, the war would get a lot worse.
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Smok3dSalmon4 days ago
+1
I don’t know how this will end, but I don’t think he’s in control. He’s going to need another distraction to focus the media on to. Otherwise it’s back to the Trump-Epstein files
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GfunkWarrior284 days ago
+3
7 months away from US elections.
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excaliber1104 days ago
+4
Democrats can’t even extricate themselves from this war if it do continue. Can’t have America losing be the record for democrats. Republicans putting us through one way doors is just so d s hit
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PRESIDENTG0D4 days ago
+3
What?
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farshnikord4 days ago
+1
Elon fixed that remember?
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SwampyThang4 days ago
+3
Elections were so overrated. We used to have to physically fill out a form of who we thought should be elected. Crazy! Luckily, thanks to Elon Musk and X AI, it votes for me with its superior intellect!
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fec22453 days ago
+1
Good thing you're not a gambler
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bradab4 days ago
+1
You keep using this word terrorism, I don’t think you know what this means.
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Smok3dSalmon3 days ago
+1
Trump uses it liberally to anything. Basically if anyone outside of Iran attacks Israel or an American asset, it will be called terrorism to try and rally support for the American hostility in the region.
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bradab3 days ago
+2
That tends to be where negotiations start. You don’t put concessions in your original proposal. Both sides presented their “perfect”. If Iran is willing to do those three things, I’m sure there would be concessions. IE: we will agree to x if you do y.
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Fritzkreig4 days ago
+12
Your link seems to be infested with ads!
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r2k-in-the-vortex4 days ago
+19
TLDR: the 10 point plan is invitation for US to f*** off and Iran to do whatever it wants.
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Designer_Balance_9144 days ago
+3
Right, can you believe they actually want to be a sovereign nation? The nerve.
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bradab4 days ago
The US also wants them to be a sovereign nation. Just one that doesn’t fund terrorism or have nuclear capability given their rhetoric and past actions regarding destruction of the western world and values antithetical to Shia Islam.
A sovereign nation without religious fanatics leading it, when the population doesn’t have a say in it and is murdered when they oppose, that doesn’t kill infidels in the name of God is what the US wants. If the principals of sharia law were simply how they lived within their borders no one would be in this mess. It is a theocracy that views non-believers as infidel and funds and supplies proxies who perform acts of terror in the furtherance of jihad.
Sovereign nation good, killing in the name of religion to spread a minority sect of Islam by force and developing nuclear weapons bad.
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Crow_eggs4 days ago
+10
That would be really compelling if the US's second biggest ally in the region wasn't Saudi f****** Arabia. As it stands though, fair to say the US doesn't care about any of that.
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bradab4 days ago
+1
Saudi Arabia is Sunni and does not develop and provide weapons to terrorist proxy groups that attack civilians in gods name. They are not chanting death to Israel and America.
They are a theocracy that punishes decent within their borders, but they are not attacking the western world and instead defend and support their trade partners. In other words, they are tolerant of western culture.
They do not believe in divine succession and believe no man is ordained by Allah through direct lineage of Muhammad to lead as the Shia do. They believe in merit based leadership and community support closer to a democratic system.
I know you think you did something there, but the equivalence is false. There is nuance but with that take I’m going to assume that you are ignorant as you don’t understand the difference in sects and believe all Muslim countries are identical.
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ssssddddf3 days ago
This sounds somewhat like a metephor for a certain country in the last couple years, can't quite remember which one, something like the ASofU. I'm no lover of Iran, but practice what you preach.
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Foolishium4 days ago
+3
>The US also wants them to be a sovereign nation. Just one that doesn’t fund terrorism or have nuclear capability given their rhetoric and past actions regarding destruction of the western world and values antithetical to Shia Islam.
It is hypocritical when their allies in Israel have their own nuclear weapon and doing illegal occupation and colonisation in West Bank and Golan Heights.
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defroach843 days ago
Is anyone sitting around worried about Israel randomly nuking them?
Because the whole ME would be with Iran....
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ProfessionalMovie7594 days ago
They want to become a nuclear power which threatens peace in Middle East.
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FK111114 days ago
Just like Israel.
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TriXter694 days ago
+11
Yeah, this ain't ending anytime soon
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computer_d4 days ago
+5
"We're going carbon neutral!"
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ksck1354 days ago
+5
Carbon dating will get a new meaning - dating anyone who has any gas left
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CupEcstatic27214 days ago
+7
For some reason, I remembered the situation with Iraq, when Hussein at the request of the USA destroyed his own missiles to make it easier to capture Iraq
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try_repeat_succeed4 days ago
+4
What is the actual deadline? (like with time zone)? I thought it was “4 hours from now” 6-7 hours ago… I’d like to know what time to check the news rather than be on edge.
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famine-4 days ago
+10
8pm EST Tuesday Apr 7th
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PapaTahm4 days ago
+6
Do we know the deadline of the next final deal?
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johansugarev4 days ago
+3
My bet is this time the extension will be 7-14 days so he can fit some golf in.
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try_repeat_succeed4 days ago
+1
Damn I forgot I have to plan the inflation I will face (and the death and destruction others will face) around the deteriorating frontal lobe and limbic system of this sundowning clown. Sigh, time for bed.
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katalysis4 days ago
If you watched the live event, it was obvious he was talking about how long it'd take to destroy all their power plants according to DoD's military plans, not that he'd start the operation in 4 hours.
I don't like Trump, and I wish Trump arguers actually critiqued from a place of being baseline informed.
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stbens4 days ago
+3
The deadline will be reached. Trump will suddenly announce that Iran has entered negotiations (but they haven’t) and the deadline will be pushed back another week or two. And so on, and so on, and so on…..
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LostAbbott4 days ago
+5
He is running out of time. The 60 days is fast approaching and Congress isn't getting more excited about this cluster f***. What is worse is that the closer to November this gets the more people are likely to be voting pissed off. While the Dems might be a complete mess of bumble fucks if they end up with a huge majority in both houses, then Trump actually being tried in the Senate is legitimate...
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AMCorBUST20213 days ago
+1
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live.”
Deuteronomy 30:19
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big-papito4 days ago
-2
This can be existential for Trump. The economy will be in ruins by November if this goes on - and the Ds can get impeachment-proof majorities if that is the case.
The funny thing is, he can't invade either, because that won't be over as well, and it will make things even worse. His only real way out is to make a humiliating deal and give Iran ALL the cards.
And then Iran will be able to tax the oil of its enemies and cut out the supply on a whim.
So Israel is going to get an untouchable Iran which will rebuild its arsenal and the nuclear program whenever it wants.
This is the greatest self-own in history.
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Big_Black_Data4 days ago
-4
These points are worthless. They can just make up the fact that they have nuclear weapons and start blasting away again.
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Logical-Bookkeeper774 days ago
If they wanted to blast, they would’ve have done so already.
And didn’t Iran say the US troops are there to steal enriched uranium?
You need to get your narrative straight.
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Big_Black_Data4 days ago
-1
What I am saying is, without a credible and powerful third party to police and enforce those rules, and impose drastic penalties for breach, it's just empty promises.
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Logical-Bookkeeper774 days ago
+1
There’s no credible third party.
NATO is just a bunch of “I’m not involve in this shit and unless theres$$ for me” (look at France)
China and Russia, well neither credible or powerful enough.
UN? Ridden with corruption (look at Wuhan virus - COVID) and UNWRA for which Hamas utilized their infrastructure.
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Big_Black_Data3 days ago
+1
Exactly. So it's empty promises no matter what. Doesn't bode well for Iran.
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