Does anything happen when you press any of the empty boxes?
This is what's supposed to be there, in this order:
**Try new mobile interface.**
**Always use new mobile interface.**
**Not a chance. Old one is just fine.**
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CherryInHoveJun 9, 2010
+7
Thanks for that. After clicking on the links it displayed the text.
Tried out new one on Nokia N95 8Gb (if that bit matters) and there is a weird duplication effect that appears after scrolling
[Like this](http://imgur.com/FTV8o.jpg)
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jamesincJun 10, 2010
+4
I had that too on my Nokia E71.
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+4
My Nokia E71 also showed this.
I also got empty boxes.
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KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+25
Interesting: which browser? We'll roll a patch to make it a little less webkit dependent.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+44
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pablogrbJun 9, 2010
+25
Similary forked up in my Opera Mobile 10 Beta on S60.
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specialk16Jun 9, 2010
+17
Same on Opera Mini 5
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KickinassJun 9, 2010
+15
Yup, I could hardly see the choice to always use the new site and also the up and down arrows don't appear.
Opera Mini 5 on my Blackberry Curve
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deadapostleJun 9, 2010
+10
Strange. It looks great in Chrome on my desktop.
10
borickJun 10, 2010
+6
wow, it does work in chrome... not in firefox... whats the deal?
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+7
chrome, safari, iphone all use the same layout engine webkit.
firefox uses its own engine gecko.
so my n900 gets no luv out of the box :(
"apt-get install midori" FTW!
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derpageJun 10, 2010
+3
Protip: You shouldn't have to install another browser for mobile listnook to work.
Building the website based purely on the assumption that "most mobile browsers are built around wekbit" is a f****** stupid idea. I expected more from listnook.
Does a new website that's "better" for only a portion of the people that use it, and **worse** for the rest really make the website "better" overall? I'd say no.
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KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+20
For this version, we only claim support for webkit variants (lots of `-webkit-` in the css). Updates to come for other browsers once we get the kinks out.
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onanJun 9, 2010
Speaking as someone who uses webkit much of the time... this is a terrible policy. Writing sites to a particular rendering engine lunacy that should've died off in the '90s.
0
KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+17
Speaking as someone with a mobile base which is currently 95% mobile safari and mobile webkit, and that this is a completely new set of templates which need to be bugfixed and reworked, I'm willing to accept a short term terrible policy.
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onanJun 9, 2010
+9
There's something of a trap there, though. If you write a site that only works well with one browser, everyone who uses something else will go away. Which will skew your stats further toward that browser, causing you to develop more and more narrowly for it, and so on.
Looking at stats on the users you _do_ have does not necessarily give you information on the ones you don't have, or are losing.
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shinratdrJun 9, 2010
+11
> one browser
One engine. One engine that happens to be default on the vast majority of mobile devices, basically everything except BlackBerry & WinMo.
This isn't exactly writing for IE6. The issue here is that your browser frankly sucks. When BlackBerry finally switches to WebKit it will be just WinMo & Zune OS out there with a different engine by default.
They aren't writing you off entirely. They are just saying that they aren't going to hold back the launch for this small minority of devices, most of which are incompatible because they are old and out of date, not because they rely on something crucial & proprietary.
Personally, I think they've done a damn good job, and considering its 3 HOURS since launch, it's [surprisingly compatible](http://cl.ly/473099ec66bccdb73b9f).
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KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+9
Right, and what I'm saying is that we are indeed going to support them, but I'd rather have a 95% working, 95% compatible site today for general testing rather than a 100% compatible, 90% working site in a few weeks.
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+1
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KeyserSosaJun 10, 2010
+3
> Not trying to be an ass, just a few suggestions,
This I appreciate, honestly and truly.
> Or you could create a site using standards and then tweak it for whatever browser you are targeting if you really want to.
I hate to toss pragmatism into this argument (since it will look like I'm trying to change the subject, which I'm not), but, practically speaking, for our initial round of testing, we had access to 5-6 iphones, an ipad and a droid.
Next pass is going to be attack it in Opera (which has recent builds that are already very, very compliant with CSS3 without any hacky `-moz-` or `-webkit-` type tomfoolery) and as well as other mozilla variants.
The problem with trying to write it looking forward to CSS3 is that no one does it quite right yet, so we stuck to one we know.
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shinratdrJun 10, 2010
+3
> Or you could create a site using standards and then tweak it for whatever browser you are targeting if you really want to.
Which would take longer and deliver a worse experience overall for 100% of users, instead of a better experience off the bat for 95%.
Besides, they are going to do it. It's just not a priority for launch, which makes sense. They have the vast majority of users covered.
> Creating a site targeting a single rendering engine just because the majority of users are using it is what created the IE6 mess. You seem to have a short memory.
Not exactly. I personally think it's a whole different ballgame considering WebKit is open source and can be forked or adapted at any time. IE6 was a mess because it added just enough proprietary features to gain a controlling marketshare and then held back the progress of the web entirely.
WebKit is different for a couple main reasons:
* It's always been leading or close in terms of features, rendering speed, etc... and shows no signs of stopping.
* If hell freezes over and the same thing that happened to IE6 happens to WebKit (it becomes ubiquitous then stops all progress) then it can simply be forked. Problem solved.
> Not trying to be an ass, just a few suggestions, I know is hard to make web layout work properly in all browsers.
Also not trying to be an ass, but what you are offering doesn't count as helpful suggestions. I'm 100% positive that they've already had this conversation. You aren't bringing anything new to the table, just poking at an issue they are well aware of and working on already.
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oorzaJun 9, 2010
-9
What's the point in releasing unless it's 100% compatible, 100% working? Otherwise you only wind up looking (and, at least imo, you do look) either lazy or amateur. Surely the amount of hacks that are webkit dependent can't be so much that it's going to take weeks to turn them into js calls or real CSS?
Either way, you launch a site and say that you're doing so to support a wider market and the "new" solution is just as bad as the old, it screams, well, to be blunt, idiocy to me. I'd be perfectly fine with this if you had said, initially "Hey Listnook users, we're launching a mobile site; right now it's a limited *webkit-only beta*, but we'll have support soon!"
But you didn't. Beta programs exist for a reason. It's ridiculous to claim stability and completedness on something that looks and feels like an afterthought and is very clearly nowhere near production ready.
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KeyserSosaJun 10, 2010
+5
Did you even read the blog post?
> We're not going to pretend this is a 100% working app, and slapping a label like "beta" is so 2005, but we will say that all of the most common tasks have been tested and are working (commenting, messaging, submission -- we even have a mobile bookmarklet worked out for the iphone with an android one in the works), but you'll notice some major omissions (/prefs anybody?).
>
> As such, we're open to and encouraging suggestions, improvements, and constructive criticisms (though I'm confident we'd never, ever have to ask. Well, maybe for the "constructive" part.). The code backing this is going to be available in our next open-source code push, so everyone working on their own version of listnook will get their own mobile site too.
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jedbergJun 10, 2010
+1
> I'd be perfectly fine with this if you had said, initially "Hey Listnook users, we're launching a mobile site; right now it's a limited webkit-only beta, but we'll have support soon!" But you didn't.
Did you read the blog post?
> Beware if you click on those links outside of chrome or safari (or basically look at it in anything not based on webkit); most mobile browsers are built around webkit, and we optimized the css for those browsers. We apologize in advance to anyone using mobile IE. (Oh wait. No we don't. You have no one to blame but yourself or, more likely, your employer.)
>We're not going to pretend this is a 100% working app, and slapping a label like "beta" is so 2005, but we will say that all of the most common tasks have been tested and are working (commenting, messaging, submission -- we even have a mobile bookmarklet worked out for the iphone with an android one in the works), but you'll notice some major omissions (/prefs anybody?).
We said that it is both beta and only currently works in webkit.
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realitistaJun 14, 2010
+1
I totally love this thing but am having just one problem. When I go to the bottom of the page hoping that I will get an autorefresh to the next page, I just get the spinning reedit alien forever. No next page. I can wait minutes on a fast wifi connection and nothing. Strangely it works okay for the liked page, just not for the main page. This is on an up to date iPhone 3gs.
1
mr_teaJun 9, 2010
+8
Same here, using Opera Mini 5 on Android and it just as fudged up.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+6
Agreed I have a blackberry and cant really use the mobile site. Damn you BB!
6
cibyrJun 9, 2010
+10
On the N900:
MicroB [1](http://i.imgur.com/11U4V.jpg) [2](http://i.imgur.com/mnA33.jpg) [3](http://i.imgur.com/avjjj.jpg)
Firefox [1](http://i.imgur.com/PZY0D.jpg) [2](http://i.imgur.com/3XRja.jpg) [3](http://i.imgur.com/aiFFw.jpg)
Opera [1](http://i.imgur.com/gIed9.jpg)
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KeyserSosaJun 10, 2010
+5
Screen shots greatly appreciated! We only had mobile webkit handy. I'm going to attack the latter two first as we are already am quite familiar with their innards. More soon.
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chuckyJun 10, 2010
+3
If you want to test in Opera Mobile, do try our Opera Mobile emulator:
http://www.opera.com/developer/tools/
It should give exactly the same result as running it on a phone.
For testing Opera Mini 5, try:
http://www.opera.com/mobile/demo/
It should also give the same result as running on a real phone.
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KeyserSosaJun 10, 2010
+2
Thanks very much for the links. I'll install the first and bookmark the second. I had used the mobile emulator built in to opera in the past but found it didn't quite replicate the experience.
Also, (please take the following as a compliment as it is how it is intended ;) ever since the release of version 10, I find the rate of our having to curse/tweak/fix opera rendering has dropped precipitously.
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cibyrJun 10, 2010
+1
The internals of MicroB should be identical to Firefox (fennec) - they're both using Gecko.
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KeyserSosaJun 10, 2010
+2
Started some more compliant styling. How's this looking, if you don't mind my asking?
http://i.listnook.com/try?dest=/.mobile
(I think our best bet is to employ some more [advanced css tools](http://lesscss.org/) to make this process easier until they finalize the css3 spec. Much more maintainable than having to query-replace all of our `-webkit-` with `-moz-` and hope for the best. )
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LupusJun 10, 2010
+3
Looks better: [1](http://i.imgur.com/sVM4B.png), [2](http://i.imgur.com/vCxr7.png).
But I don't think I'll use it, the full version isn't much harder to use and looks much better.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+24
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c_ntJun 9, 2010
+9
MicroB is a stripped down firefox designed for these phones. I am also on the n900 and the new mobile listnook is ugly as sin.
The old regular listnook looked better and was easier to read (and follow comment threads) than the new mobile version. If nobody has put up any pics from microb by the time i get home from work tonight I will put some up to illustrate.
I am also really unimpressed with how data heavy the new mobile site is compared to the old m.listnook.com as I am in australia and our data allowances are ridiculously small. Functionality wise I seem to be doing ok though. All the buttons are present and appear to be working as intended, even if they do seem a little all over the place.
Edit: I would like to report massive improvements. During the hours I was busy working the colours improved, buttons look like they are in the right place and everything is super useable. :D I even have an edit button.
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respectminivinnyJun 9, 2010
+3
Same issue on my blackberry browser and it's very similar in opera mini.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+5
It also looks like that in my browser.
In the spirit of standards you should *never* write HTML that is somewhat dependent to any rendering engine, this is listnook, not a demo.
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corpus_callosumJun 9, 2010
+5
[Here's](http://i.imgur.com/kvoMg.png) the Zune HD's browser. Not quite functional.
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GrantShoeJun 9, 2010
+12
Letting you know what I think:
- looks great.
- Can't find the option to save submissions to view later. I don't wanna view some [bigass image](http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/infographic-tallest-mountain-to-deepest-ocean-trench-0249/) on my phone but I'd like to save it so that I can view it from my computer when I log in later.
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KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+10
No hide either at the moment. We'll add them and just wanted to get the core tested before adding any more potentially broken and fragile bit.
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paradox460Jun 9, 2010
+8
Save is missing, but may come soon
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equallyunequalJun 9, 2010
+16
Hey Admins, the URL appears to be case sensitive:
i.listnook.com = mobile site
I.listnook.com = listnook.com/r/I
I.Listnook.com = listnook.com home page
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KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+13
Fixed (I hope). Look better?
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equallyunequalJun 9, 2010
+7
I.Listnook.com is still the full home page, not the mobile site
i.listnook.com = mobile site
I.listnook.com = mobile site
I.Listnook.com = full site
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unusualbobJun 9, 2010
+2
Using stock browser on my Moto Droid (2.1) I only get problems with I.Listnook.com coming out as the main site. I dont get the /r/I.
Using xscope lite browser on there I get the same thing, the only thing I notice otherwise is that I.listnook.com has no favicon.
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umbraeJun 9, 2010
+11
Yesss. Awesome!
One thing though: You guys need an apple-touch-icon for when people add it to the home screen!
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KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+7
it was supposed to be there, but wasn't. It is now.
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redditor_from_2021Jun 10, 2010
+1
I'm still not seeing it. Cleared cookies and all that jazz.
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masonbaJun 9, 2010
+3
I honestly think it looks great. Great job listnook.
Edit: I don't know why I just referred to the developers as listnook.
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KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+6
We are the listnook. Resistence is futile.
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SephrJun 9, 2010
+3
It's missing a `` (and multiple bitmaps, for iOS and Safari, as I'm pretty certain they don't support SVG icons: ``, etc.). Android has always supported this and I *think* iOS has for a while too. `apple-touch-icon` is non-standard and outdated, though Android does support it for now for backwards compatibility. If you're wondering, this icon stuff is defined in the HTML5 spec.
Not to mention that the URLs themselves are to some password protected site.
Edit: All of the buttons are looking non-anti-aliased on my Nexus One running Froyo.
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KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+4
D'oh. Fixed. Some leftover static linking from development. Thanks for catching that.
We'll get together an svg as well.
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cr3ativeJun 9, 2010
+4
The "load more comments" button on the mobile site looks absolutely massive in Chrome. I hope it's not on the phones, because it happens multiple times per page :/
http://www.b3ta.cr3ation.co.uk/data/tiff/cd9f7514f31721a354b28ad98e44e5b1_butts.tiff
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cdbusbyJun 9, 2010
+2
This looks great, but i have a suggestion: add more space between the threaded comment boxes. Just a few pixels. Its hard to quickly tell which threads are replies and such. Other than that it looks and works awesome.
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concentricpuddleJun 9, 2010
+9
I don't know how well the site is optimized for Opera Mini (which is what I use on my shitty phone), but it kinda sucks.
1. There's less information than in the previous version. I don't know if it's because the fonts seem bigger.
2. The top titlebar is truncated over the hot/save/etc bar.
3. The fonts colours used for the Options and that other number above it (just realized it's for comments) look like embossed text on my phone. Really difficult to read. When I logged on to listnook I thought it'd been hacked.
4. The voting/options/comments buttons are much too large. They're obstructing some sublistnook name in some cases.
5. Everything is way too large on the comment page. Plus horizontal scrolling's not available which means that all the text becomes bunched up. The old version's comment page was better.
Despite this, it's got some potential and I think I'm gonna like what it becomes.
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jedbergJun 9, 2010
+3
> Beware if you click on those links outside of chrome or safari (or basically look at it in anything not based on webkit); most mobile browsers are built around webkit, and we optimized the css for those browsers.
Thanks for tips. At the moment the whole site is optimized only for Webkit. Hopefully soon we can optimize for other browsers.
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dezroJun 9, 2010
+11
I found some issues!
Infinite scrolling is nice, but if you click a link then hit back Listnook reloads and you have to infinitely scroll all over again. (on iPad)
Infinite scrolling doesn't seem to work at all on the Palm Pre. This could be a network issue or something, though.
The toolbar thing prevents YouTube links from being opened by the YouTube app. (on both Pre and iPad)
Good work so far, though!
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mauxfauxJun 10, 2010
+4
Same issue. Infinite scrolling is kind of nice until you actually visit a link. Then once you hit the back button on Mobile Safari, you are taken back to the first screen of articles.
Visually, it's very well done. Nice work on the visual styling, Mr. Parodox.
Toolbar is c***, sorry.
Adding an Instapaper link to options would be, like, epic.
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stufffJun 9, 2010
+155
Holy shit, it's usable! If my coworkers thought my shits took a long time before wait till they see what happens now.
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jedbergJun 9, 2010
+91
They're gonna start leaving fiber on your desk.
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heiferlyJun 10, 2010
+16
There is a solution to this. Take the hint and say, "thanks! You know, I *do* need more fiber in my diet." Show up at work with an economy pack of [Fiber One Chewy Bars](http://www.pleasegodno.com/archives/66-Fiber-One-Bars-make-me-Fart.html) and start eating them like there is no tomorrow. When every coworker within smelling distance of your desk complains to HR about you, it'll be prime time for you to *politely* offer to return to your old dietary habits (and everlasting bathroom stints) for the greater good. You can be a slacker *and* a hero!
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+10
Assuming his a****** lasts long enough to make his coworkers notice...
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stufffJun 10, 2010
+3
Do they smell worse than Powerbars? I used to have this classmate who was a really nice girl and even kind of cute but I had to start going out of my way to make sure we weren't seated together in classes because she would eat Powerbars every day and the f****** things reaked so bad I wanted to puke
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heiferlyJun 10, 2010
+1
I'm sorry to report that I don't have any data on the farting capacity of Powerbars. Due to Fiber One's Chewy Bars being rather ideally suited to the Points system of Weight Watchers, and the fact that I happen to know a lot of people who eat a diet more or less based on that system, I happen to know a lot about the Fiber One Bars and I don't know anyone who doesn't get gassy from them. Judging by the number of comments on the site I linked above (and the existence of similar Fiber One Fart pages on facebook, etc.), I don't think my friends and I are alone.
I wonder how she could possibly have been unaware of her Powerbar flatulence. So far as I know, those of us who eat Fiber One Fart Bars are well aware of the effects and try to time our consumption appropriately so as to minimize the detriment to those who must share enclosed spaces with us. Maybe she was secretly a sadist.
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+2
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+2
Oh dear god... I'm such a fool. I've been using regular Listnook on my phone all this time... I'm going to be taking 2 hour shits every day...
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syrinxStarmanJun 9, 2010
+81
Much better than iListnook for iPhone. Very kickass for the first public iteration! /edit for spelling
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+6
I agree. As I don't have a computer at home, 80% of my Listnook surfing is via iListnook.
The thing that gets me is if I'm looking at a submission, or reading through comments, and I get a TXT or call, when I re-load the app it takes be back to the front page.
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delti90Jun 9, 2010
+36
Yeah seriously. Ilistnook is terrible.
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krazykipa-Jun 9, 2010
+39
I personally never had a problem with it, other than not being able to submit things and the somewhat lacking inbox functionality. It was totally fine for just browsing listnook.
What was so bad about it?
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+20
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Conde_NastyJun 9, 2010
+18
I just use the normal site, even on the shitter. My replies to people are more aggressive and I win more arguments that way.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+4
I had issues with it not actually pulling up stories when I tapped the links from my inbox. You also couldn't edit, so if you made a typo you were just kind of screwed, unless you ran over to your laptop.
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delti90Jun 9, 2010
+12
... .. ... ..
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raldiJun 9, 2010
+71
Yeah, but after open-sourcing it, that's *your* fault now.
Hooray for buck-passing!
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+4
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+10
They should just drop the app. Agree that charging for a piece of shit they don't want to support is a bit cheeky.
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masklinnJun 10, 2010
+5
I don't agree. It has issues, but overall it works pretty nicely and e.g. the bar letting me go to the comments of the article I am viewing is essential.
I like the iListnook app, I just don't like when it forgets to load comment pages, or doesn't want to scroll to and display a bestofed comment for whatever reason.
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redorkulatedJun 9, 2010
+8
Why is this better than the iListnook app? I haven't played with it much but so far all it seems is slower.
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syrinxStarmanJun 9, 2010
+3
It's slower right now since everyone's hitting it, but it seems to have picked back up. For one, you couldn't submit using the iListnook app, see profiles. Not to mention that damn elusive "comments" button!
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+6
seriously check out the new version of alien blue that is comin out, creams over anything I have seem to date
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+53
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johnyquestJun 9, 2010
+19
You still haven't installed Netscape? PM me if you need help... I might even have an extra copy of Encarta '97 laying around I can give you if you still have problems with your internet. It's like an encyclopedia, for your computer!
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+29
> I am using IE 5 on Windows ME
You masochistic b******.
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Conde_NastyJun 9, 2010
+4
Any surviving copy of IE5 has mutated into "Spyware and P*** Dialer Explorer 5" by now, though the site runs fine on Mosaic.
4
rhinofingerJun 9, 2010
+2
I feel like the main site could borrow a couple things from this. Great job, it looks fantastic!
2
thislooksfamiliarJun 9, 2010
+12
Thanks for adressing concerns ith iPhone app. I'm very happy with just having a mobile site even if I did pay for the app haha. Keep up the good work. We appreciate the open dialouge.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+8
Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but is there an option to only show the first couple replies to a post? The one thing I hate doing while browsing on my phone is scrolling endlessly passed the first post because of all of the replies.
I'm aware that there's the collapse feature, but it would just be nice to see the original post and a couple of the top rated replies, and if I wanted to see more, *then* I could click a button and expand it
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+6
The down arrow button in the top right doesnt do anything for me in mobile safari. I hope login option is there because i had to click "saved" to get asked to login.
Needs a fav icon specific to iphones. Not sure how that works.
Also there aren't and never were scrollbars on this comment textarea. It's tough to scroll to the top of my comment while editing. I blame the missing arrow keys on the iphone keyboard, but maybe there's some way to clean up scrolling. Even a texarea which grows?
Otherwise, this is awesome.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+152
Now I can listnook and drive even easier!
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jedbergJun 9, 2010
+245
DISCLAIMER: Driving while listnooking may be hazardous to your health. Please use caution when operating heavy machinery.
Furthermore:
* Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly, and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to listnook.
* Caution: listnook may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
* listnook contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
* Do not use listnook on concrete.
* Discontinue use of listnook if any of the following occurs:
o itching
o vertigo
o dizziness
o tingling in extremities
o loss of balance or coordination
o slurred speech
o temporary blindness
o profuse sweating
o heart palpitations
* If listnook begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.
* listnook may stick to certain types of skin.
* When not in use, listnook should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration. Failure to do so relieves the makers of listnook, Wacky Products Incorporated, and its parent company, Global Chemical Unlimited, of any and all liability.
* Ingredients of listnook include an unknown glowing green substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.
* listnook has been shipped to our troops in Saudi Arabia and is being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.
* Do not taunt listnook.
* listnook comes with a lifetime warranty.
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megrimlockJun 9, 2010
+200
>Caution: listnook may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
Like anyone's ever had that problem before.
(I love listnook, don't hurt me.)
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loginfliggleJun 9, 2010
+57
I suppose the acceleration could be negative, and the dangerous speeds are quite low.
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AzuredJun 10, 2010
+10
`CAUTION: You may not be able to open your mailbox for 2 hours and deliberately drive into oncoming traffic to ease the pain.`
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EasierLikeThisJun 9, 2010
+10
Happy Fun Ball and listnook have way too much in common... or not enough in common. I can't tell.
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coolhandluke05Jun 9, 2010
+17
TIL: listnook is always uncapitalized.
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jedbergJun 10, 2010
+14
Yes! Please spread the word. :)
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bobcatJun 10, 2010
+2
Listnook.
Listnook.
Listnook.
Listnook.
Listnook.
Nope, always has a leading capital.
2
TasonirJun 9, 2010
+7
>* listnook may stick to certain types of skin.
Listnook is totally racist.
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lwrunJun 9, 2010
+2
Before Listnook, I used to have extremities that itched so badly that I had to digg into them with my fingernails. And thanks to the new mobile Listnook, I can now browse the automobile Listnook so I can learn about driving while I drive! Thanks admins!
However, I want mine in red. Where can I exchange my baby blue one?
2
RedDragonsJun 9, 2010
+5
its log log log....ooops...wrong reference.
5
epb205Jun 9, 2010
+9
Gecko-based browser support would be much appreciated for those using browsers such as MicroB or Mozilla's own Fennec browser.
The up/down vote arrows aren't showing properly. Also, the white text on the buttons is hard to read. I had very similar results with both of these browsers on my Nokia N900. It looks the same using the standard Firefox 3.6 in Ubuntu 10.04.
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mbrubeckJun 10, 2010
+5
Hey, I'm a Fennec developer. Just adding some -moz- versions of your -webkit- CSS properties would go most of the way to making i.listnook.com work great in Fennec 1.1 and higher. (I'm sure the Opera folks would appreciate some -o- love too.)
If you've got an Android phone, check out http://twitter.com/mbrubeck/status/15828567980 for a very recent pre-release build of Fennec you can use for testing. Or run Fennec on a Mac/Windows/Linux PC: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mobile-1.9.2/
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asad137Jun 10, 2010
+2
Palm Pre here. Overall, looks great. Much easier to navigate with fingers. The floating toolbar works great on WebOS.
The bad: Not only does infinite scrolling not work, but there's no way to go to the "next page" of links. Can only see the first N or so posts, with no way to go to the next ones.
Also, I miss the little extra bit of info that shows the domain that the post points to (i.e. the little bit where it says "imgur.com" or "cnn.com" or "self.listnook.com", etc.
2
[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+36
Very cool. Probably won't use listnookisfun any longer on Android. This interface is much nicer and has full functionality!
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KingswoodmissalJun 9, 2010
+26
Not sure why you are getting downvotes - Listnookisfun is great for what it is, absolutely - but this will likely cause me to stop using it as well (even though I prefer the aesthetics of listnookisfun...)
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+7
Yar.
The thing about Listnookisfun is that it lacks some critical functionality (hiding submissions, for instance).
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ErsatzSemblanceJun 9, 2010
+3
To hide comments in Listnookisfun long touch the comment and choose 'Hide comment.'
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+5
That's a comment. You can't hide submissions.
5
jlane628Jun 9, 2010
+2
I'm still going to call noob status on listnook, but can you see how many downvotes someone is getting for a post other watching the number change? I'm wondering if there is a theme or setting I'm not using that I should be.
Back to the item at hand, I'm noticing that listnookisfun is faster than using this in the browser. Also, I wish that once you clicked on a link, the toolbar in the top left had upvote, upboat, upfort, etc, something listnook-esque rather than like or dislike. I'm using this on a Moto Droid and I love that Listnook is trying new things but I am having a lot of errant clicks compared to how I operate ListnookisFun. Guess I need to hone my skills if I want to use the mobile site.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+5
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+2
Totally agree. I'll take the "hide submission" functionality with the ugly setup any day over not being able to hide shit, though.
2
admiraltealJun 9, 2010
+4
I can't seem to access the drop-down menu on android's browser. I click it and nothing happens... Anyone else getting problems?
edit: or any of the pop-out message boxes.
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jgclarkJun 9, 2010
+3
*listnook is fun* lacks a few features, but it seems much more responsive to me (on 3G and WiFi, Android 1.5, Motorola Cliq). I will stick with *listnook is fun* for regular browsing but I do appreciate this new interface for when I need to edit a post.
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01clinte01Jun 9, 2010
+16
Good work, its working very well on my Nexus One. Of course, the iPhone-like Design ist somewhat annoying but its Ok. There is only one big thing for me: the Icons are a little bit too small on a High-Res-Display. Its hard to touch them... maybe you think about this because the iPhone4 also comes with High-Res-Display...
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anchorboiJun 9, 2010
+3
Even on my iPhone 3G, I still find the buttons to small to be accurately "touched". I keep accidentally opening links when I want to click on the comments. Maybe that could be improved in a future version, with less white space around the Comments/Options buttons.
Another thing: Long headlines, "...points submitted...", and the text button wrap "under" the vote arrows, which looks a bit messy in the listings. Could you left-align everything at the same indent (so that the first "column" is for voting only)? It's a small thing, but it bothers the eyes a bit.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+7
> the iPhone-like Design ist somewhat annoying
Yes, this is very true! Please take the time to create a more generic and/or Android-like stylesheet for Android browsers.
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paradox460Jun 9, 2010
+10
I developed using a droid...
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+4
Well then, I'm not sure what went wrong, because it looks [completely out place](http://i.imgur.com/QHhjX.png) on Android. Compare that to [Mobile Safari](http://i.imgur.com/css9c.jpg)'s GUI widgets and it's clear on which platform it looks more at home.
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db2Jun 9, 2010
+3
I don't see C3PO in the credits anywhere!
3
jfb3Jun 9, 2010
+4
What is the "Options" button supposed to do?
Nexus One, Android 2.1, Dolphin Browser (not HD): It doesn't seem to do anything.
Nexus One , Android 2.1, Browser: A popup appears. When I press one of the choices it presses a link/button **behind** the popup.
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FractalPJun 9, 2010
+9
Just checked it out on my Android phone in the default browser. It looks pretty damn awesome, and I'll be using it alongside listnook is fun :)
Brilliant design, paradox! (If I had any gripes, it'd be that it needs more orangered)
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newmodelno115Jun 9, 2010
+7
Have you tried the listnook app for android? It is wondrous.
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FractalPJun 9, 2010
+7
If you mean 'listnook is fun', yep, it is indeed. If not, which one?
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newmodelno115Jun 9, 2010
+3
Yep, that's the one. I'm not sure mobile listnook gets much better than that! Although it's possible I may like the new i.listnook better once I've tried it a few times.
3
hettJun 9, 2010
+3
Listnook is Fun is missing a lot of key features and has a few UI kinks that lead me to barely ever use it, unfortunately. I keep it installed for the sake of having a listnook icon in my app drawer.
3
[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+5
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+4
BRAVO!!
Thank you to everyone who worked on this.
A lot of us have been waiting expectantly since the first screenshots were released.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+6
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DrugDJun 9, 2010
+3
Looks great, I love the comments. Two problems on my N900 though
* When opening any link, the actually page will be displayed in a VERY small frame at the top of the page [screenshot from PC, but same on phone](http://imgur.com/RBsyk.jpg)
* A lot of phones have touch screens, why waste all that lovely space when it could be used to make big buttons? [Here's my best mockup](http://i.imgur.com/UBX0c.png)
If you could fix these it would be perfect
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+3
I am using the old mobile site quite a lot. I don't have a smartphone but a pretty capable regular phone (Sony Ericsson W715). The old mobile site is better than this one for that phone. The main problem with the old site is that some links leads to the regular site, and that the description of the title (in self posts) isn't shown. And it is hard to find sublistnooks to browse to. So the old m.listnook.com is great. I like it a lot.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+3
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+11
Wow, this looks great!
The page is quite slow on my 2.1 Milestone though (running at 1000 MHz).
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
-1
Great. How about updating the paid version of the Listnook iPhone app. The mailbox feature is completely inaccurate.
-1
KeyserSosaJun 9, 2010
+2
To quote myself:
> **We're open-sourcing the existing iListnook app**
>
> We've decided we are going to open source the existing iListnook app for those who still like to use it, but our development for the future is going to be limited to making our mobile app better.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+4
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Fat_Dumb_AmericansJun 9, 2010
+2
I'm using Opera on a Nokia (Symbian) and to my eye it is not a font problem, it's that the background of the buttons, and maybe divs, is not being rendered.
They are shaded dark to light blue with rounded corners by WebKit, but get no style at all on Opera.
Agreed though - a great first release.
2
bejeanJun 10, 2010
+4
First off, i'm on mobile safari.
* My "open links in new windows" setting doesn't seem to work in this interface.
* I don't like the listnook bar at the top of non-listnook pages for links that i click.
4
finferfluJun 9, 2010
+33
Now, *this* is a mobile version of listnook :P
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+7
I can't seem to find the "hide" button for articles.
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doctorsoundJun 9, 2010
+2
I don't think it's a "can't find" situation, more of a "not there" situation. It's a shame you can't have a side swipe to hide functionality, that would be pretty handy for those of us who hide everything after reading it.
2
bitterspeakJun 9, 2010
+4
Is this revamp only for touch screen phones?
It looks terrible on my Blackberry Tour and now of the margins are formatted properly. Or am I doing something wrong?
4
thebluehawkJun 9, 2010
+2
From the article:
> *Beware if you click on those links outside of chrome or safari* (or basically look at it in anything not based on webkit); most mobile browsers are built around webkit, and we optimized the css for those browsers.
The admins also mentioned that they will make it work in other browsers, but focused on webkit first, since most mobile phones (apple and android devices) use webkit.
2
rospayaJun 9, 2010
+4
Ugh. I was a frequent mobile listnook user (even reported a few problems), but I gave up because of the issues.
Anyway, on my WebKit based browser on Nokia E71 (which many listnookors use) the three choices aren't even visible. It looks like when I go with Opera on my PC, just empty boxes.
Here's a screenshot of what happens when I scroll, after choosing the new interface: http://imgur.com/UBNLO
4
paradox460Jun 9, 2010
+312
You're welcome everyone.
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thedragon4453Jun 9, 2010
+24
Comment jacking a bit because I want to make sure that paradox sees this. Sorry.
First off, this is an excellent start. Easily eclipses the various apps for iPhone, and I think even the ones for android as well. I'll definitely use it a lot. Can't stress enough how happy I am that you guys did this.
That said, a couple of quick things I think would be really helpful:
1. small formatting button at the top of the comment box. Mainly italics, bold, and lists, although a link one would be great too. I realize that space is a constraint, so maybe just one drop down for formatting, or separate italic, bold, other formatting buttons.
2. The reply button needs to go at the bottom of the comment. Some of the longer posts on a small screen require you to scroll to go all the way to the top. Also, since there isn't really much going on at the bottom of the post, it would allow a reply button without going through a drop down, which I think is common enough that removing the tap would be great.
3. The mini tool bar thing is great, but a bit too small. Also, the close X for the toolbar is is like 2 pixels away from the comments button, and so far I've managed to tap the close button when I actually want the comments button most of the time. I'm clearly not the wizard you guys are, but it would be great if you could put the close button on the left, the points (which don't do anything when tapped, liked/dislike, [space], and comments. Also be great if there is some way to make it detect the size of the browser and stretch it across, or make it as wide as portrait iPhone/N1. That seems to be common, but it wouldn't waste as much space if you hit landscape, or you just have an HD2 or Evo or something.
Seriously though, this great, and a really good 1.0 (or .9 or whatever). If any of this isn't clear I'd be more than happy to clarify.
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SoundOfOneHandJun 10, 2010
+9
Yeah, ditch that toolbar on the pics and it will be much better; overall, very nice, thanks!
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+3
Also I think the text for the number of upvotes, options etc. should have a black font or a distinct background. It's a little hard on the eyes.
3
[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+189
Providing a somewhat pompous reply to a thread gauging public opinion on a change to the best site on the internet is like pouring Green Squall Gatorade on a splinter so Kleenex boxes can radiate enough electromagnetic talk show hosts.
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dawnvivantJun 9, 2010
+79
Every time I read one of your posts I start out REALLY thinking about it and trying to form a picture in my head. Then about halfway through I realize what it is I'm looking at.
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BornhuetterJun 9, 2010
+13
Then what happens?
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MercurialMadnessManJun 9, 2010
+17
Babies are made. Empires destroyed. Upvotes clicked.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+19
Finally someone says something I can understand in this place.
I mean it's exactly like the robin sang too early at Christmas dinner, right?
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maffickJun 9, 2010
+31
It's like getting two birds stoned at once.
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marcomorainJun 10, 2010
+6
It works graet on iPhone. Clicking a link opens a new safari instance, which makes it a pain to go back to the main site, but otherwise it works great
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spottaJun 9, 2010
+3
You did it for the karma, didn't you? :) Thanks a ton, now I can be properly distracted by my phone even more!
3
PrometheusxJun 9, 2010
+3
Much grass.
I've been seeing the links for this new overhaul of the mobile site for a couple months and really wanted to see it launched already.
This almost makes Listnook is fun on my Droid an unnecessary app.
Oh, f*** me. I love this new mobile site. You can see the text for self posts on the front page and not have to load the comments. I'll play with it more tomorrow when I'm at work all day.
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energirlJun 10, 2010
+4
Prepare yourself to Facepalm, but... how do I use this new amazing listnook? I'm on my phone now and everything looks the same as it did before.
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+5
http://i.listnook.com
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drfrogsplatJun 10, 2010
+2
interestingly, a new (free) listnook app was just released a week or two ago on the app store — [Alien Blue](http://www.alienblue.com/).
its pretty nice if you're on any of the apple iProducts — a long way ahead of iListnook / the old mobile site, comparable with the new mobile site (so probably good for the h******* listnookers who want a separate app so they don't get distracted into procrastination by all those other sites while browsing listnook)
for my money (i.e. none since both are free) i prefer the toolbar provided in the Alien Blue app (ie for votes/saves/hides/comments) to the one in the new mobile site (which is a fixed size and renders with the page, so wide pages make it *tiny*)
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csulokJun 9, 2010
+4
infinite scrolling would be nice in /r/pics for the desktop version of listnook... just sayin'
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SlimeyBoogerJun 9, 2010
+6
Thanks! Looks great on my Palm Pre.
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absurdlyobfuscatedJun 9, 2010
+4
After clicking external links, I'm not able to scroll around the page or zoom properly until I close the toolbar. Other than that, it works great so far :)
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+4
The 'infinite scrolling' doesn't work for me; I can only view one page of posts on my Pre Plus.
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GoatTnderJun 9, 2010
+3
Got the same issue. Listnook Alien's head isn't showing at the bottoms so I only see the first few links.
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tsoJun 10, 2010
+3
would not mind seeing that toolbar be optional.
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allholy1Jun 17, 2010
+5
Why is this still showing up in today's top links?
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linsageJun 10, 2010
+2
I'm a little confused, I saved I.listnook.com to my iPhone home page and when I click it, it opens as if it's an ap, but then when I click anything it closes the 'ap' and opens it in safari. So then when I'm done looking at the link or comments I have to close safari and open the "ap" again, which takes a second to load. The only reason why I saved it to my home page anyway was so it would just open it in safari. What's going on? Why does it open as I it's an ap? Thanks!
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raptrexJun 9, 2010
+2
Posted here as well: http://www.listnook.com/r/IAmA/comments/cd9rq/iama_developer_on_the_listnook_mobile_webapp_ama/c0rrkr8
My only visual problem so far is that there is way too much blue. Blue buttons, every other row has blue link on blue background. Maybe add more contrast, otherwise, it looks great! Also add more padding for each "row" as the option and vote number between 2 rows is a little too close to me
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clemohJun 10, 2010
+2
I found the link on the web, so I tried it from the 'smart'phone. I got the link to the blog, which took me to the link on the web. I found the mobile site, but couldn't comment about it from the mobile site. so I got back on the notebook and sent you this note.
About how I couldn't send the note from the mobile site. I found the link on the web, so I tried it on the 'smart'phone...
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tyebudJun 9, 2010
+5
A few things I notice on my droid running Dolphin Browser HD:
1.) The upboats and downboats are rendered weird. That is the most technical term I could think of. It might be beneficial to utilize something like what Listnook is Fun uses. Where you click the link, it gives you options to upboat, downboat, link or comment.
2.) The buttons' borders do not go all the way around the buttons in every instance.
3.) The color scheme is great.
All in all it is a huge improvement.
Thank you very much!
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paradox460Jun 9, 2010
+8
The buttons actually use a bit of webkit/css3 magic called css masks. What that means is basically it is an image mask, and we can color them using a gradient.
The end result: we only use 2 arrow images instead of four, and if we want to, say, make every arrow purple and pink, we can with one line of css
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cantCmeJun 10, 2010
+2
I tried to reply to a comment, but because it's almost impossible to press the reply button without pressing the whole comment, I decided to do it like this. This actually sums up my complain, same goes for for the arrows and other buttuns. This is from mobile opera 5, Android. It doesn't have pinch and zoom, Dolphin does, so this isn't a problem there .
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+5
Thank you, I never wanted an iPhone app, since the purpose of listnook was typically to go to web pages. This is much preferred, and fast to boot.
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legoman666Jun 9, 2010
+3
Not working right on MicroB (Firefox 3.5 based) V 1.7.4.8 on the N900: http://www.imgur.com/MhtZI.jpg
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stufffJun 9, 2010
+3
Upvote and downvote arrows don't display on opera 9 on HTC Touch pro running Windows Mobile 6.5
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charlesviperJun 10, 2010
+1
Question: do most 'basic' mobile phones not have a side-scrolling functionality? Whenever I go to m.listnook.com on my relatively basic phones, it's as if the page is designed without scrolling in mine. I just press the left and right navigational buttons as I do with the up-and-down ones.
Because of the lack of scrolling on the site, the text box gets smaller and smaller, to fit a fixed-width screen. Wouldn't it be better to keep the text box of each comment, no matter how far down a thread, an equal-sized box, just indented to the right?
Instead of seeing:
| Listnook comment blah blah blah
| Listnook comment blah blah bl
| ah
| Listnook comment blah bla
| h blah
| Listnook comment blah
| blah blah
And so on, all the way down to (you'll know what I mean, if you have used m.listnook.com before):
| R
| e
| d
| d
| i
| t
|
| c
| o
| m
| m
| e
| n
| t
|
| b
| l
| a...
And so on.
You know the sad part? I'm such a Listnook comment addict that I've tried to read comments one line thick before.
Instead of this, it would be
| Listnook comment blah blah blah
| Listnook comment blah blah blah
| Listnook comment blah blah blah
In other words, sanctity of *comment width*, not sanctity of *page width*.
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datakid23Jun 14, 2010
+2
iPhone user using i.listnook.com
Don't mind the small icons or whatever, *but*
Loose the toolbar. It's awful. It doesn't work well at all. And it's nigh on impossible to get rid of, which then just causes the bloody page to reload.
Stupid.
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[deleted]Jun 10, 2010
+2
It is terrible!
Ability to see comments and save links for later were the only reason I was visiting listnook from mobile phone.
Now that this ability is gone, there's absolutely no reason why I would visit mobile version again.
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mwagstaffJun 9, 2010
+6
Very nice, but any chance of redirecting automatically from www.listnook.com based upon a user agent check? That would be handy when following links from the rss feed on an iPhone.
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D__Jun 9, 2010
+5
That would be nice. Either that, or put a giant link to the mobile version of the website above the top bar when accessing the index page with a mobile browser.
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paradox460Jun 9, 2010
+3
Actually, thats what the *"Always use this interface"* button should do. Causes all listnook links to load in i-listnook.
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PrettyBigDuckJun 9, 2010
+6
Thanks very much - this was really needed. I *really* wish it didn't look like an iPhone app (seriously, I can't stand this trend in mobile sites) but who am I to complain.
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paradox460Jun 9, 2010
+8
I designed it mainly on a droid.
Cant blame apple for having good UI sense...
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anonymoos3Jun 9, 2010
+3
Really? F*** yea. I use the mobile site all the time! Thanks!
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guitarromanticJun 11, 2010
+2
It'd be nice if this would still show the domain of the submitted link. I tend to avoid clicking anything from youtube.com on my phone as I don't want to be billed for streaming lots of MB.
2
justtryitJun 10, 2010
+2
Would be nice to differentiate the amount of upvotes and the options button a little. They are essentially the same which draws no focus. Same with the 'show text' aA button.
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adrianmonkJun 10, 2010
+1
I don't want to pick on listnook in particular because a lot of sites seem to do this, but why do so many mobile sites disable zooming?
Zooming is practically essential on a mobile device because buttons may be too small to press or text may be too small to read. Mobile sites are a situation when you're sure the user has a pretty small screen, but it's the one time when people seem to go out of their way to disable zoom. This is fine if you've guessed exactly right on the size of everything, but that is an awfully optimistic assumption to make.
For example, on my phone, the height of the "Options" button is equal to the thickness of two pennies, and the size of the button with the number of comments is also the same height. The distance between them is approximately the thickness of one penny (maybe 1.25 pennies). So I have this nifty multitouch display, and I try pinch to zoom to make those buttons a little bigger, and it does nothing.
Also, the height of the text in the line "NNNN points submitted H hours ago by xxxxx to YyyyYyyy" is very small and just about impossible to reliably tap.
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[deleted]Jun 9, 2010
+2
Maybe I'm being stupid... But why does every link I click in when I'm in the icon I added to the home screen open up a different instance of Safari?
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