What is the new Scrubs getting right that the new Frasier got wrong?

Yeah, the Niles's son character with absolutely zero Niles or Daphne served only to make you miss them more. And just giving Fraiser the same vein of culture clash with his son as he did with his father just made you miss Marty more, and made it seem like Fraiser learnt nothing in the years spent living with him. You weren't actively missing the Cheers gang in Fraiser, so they needed to change the basic premise more, probably even change the name of the show again. Hell even going back to making it a bar ensemble featuring Fraiser would have been more interesting.

Frasier in Space

I actually think they could have leaned into it more. Have Frasier lose the majority of his money and have to move in with Freddie and be humbled by the new simpler lifestyle he now has to learn how to live.  So it would have flipped things around with him basically in the Marty role and given the character something new to do.  Instead they just made him rich as f*** and he even bragged about it and that probably doesn't sit well with today's audience where everyone is poor as f***

“That lady is gonna sue us if we hire Eriq La Salle!”

Well knowing the show came off the air 22 years ago, I have to imagine most of those writers have retired

Season 2 was better. The stories in general felt more like something we'd see from the original run. Bringing Roz back more did help in that department, and for the most part did not feel like she was shoehorned in to each episode. It felt like they were setting up for Season 3 to be more back to the OG formula: turn Frasier into a live podcaster.

I wonder. A sequel to Cheers, not Frasier, is the thing that would have worked. Frasier moves back to the city, dad is dead, brother isn't around. He's not the up and coming guy in a bad marriage he once was, but he finds himself at the bar every day. It'd still be his show, but in the pub, coffee shop or whatever other third place the producers decide upon. Guest appearances by the old cast of either series, and functionally a showcase for upcoming actors set in the familiar clothes of Frasier's world.

I normally hugely agree with the widespread “new kid characters, meh” sentiment. Only personal exception I can think of is the little Jack bits in the OG.   “I pooped in my bed, so I put it on the TV” always gets me lol 

I also feel we hardly ever saw Turk/Carla and JD/Kim's children in the original series either. They only popped up maybe once every 10 episodes.

Sort of what made Top Gun: Maverick work was not trying to shoehorn the old character into a new role. Maverick wasn’t a teacher, he was a pilot so that’s what he’s going to do and that’s what we’re there to watch.

Good point. That's probably what helps to keep the feel of the original sitcom. We know they have kids, but they are not a focal point of the show.

The worst is the sassy smart kid trope, where everything a little kid says just doesn’t jive with reality. Kids do and say really stupid things that generally aren’t funny to adults.

It’s not that they’re “not funny,” it’s that they’re not the characters we came back to see. I don’t really care about JDs kids, or Turks kids. I want to know what JD and Turk have been up to since we last saw them. Maybe they introduce the kids as minor characters, but they shouldn’t be folded in right from the start.

I would still like to have an episode here and there that focuses on them as parents, just not make it the whole show you know?

I think it works though. They were always a long shot. The (original) final season made such a huge plot point of them *trying* to learn from past mistakes and let go of the petty stupid shit and the games, but also the fact that... They can't. Elliot was still obsessive and controlling, JD was still a free spirit to the point of immaturity and stupidity... They *tried* to work around it, but it was a long shot. The most out of character aspect of what we've seen of their breakup was JD being the one criticizing the way Elliot loaded the dishwasher...

I really like what they’ve done with Elliot so far. She’s still neurotic, but she’s also far more confident. They’ve successfully de-Flanderized her for the most part.

I wanna see her cry in the closet 😭

I think it's somewhat realistic. JD is having difficulty in that area too. Isn't implied the divorce is still very recent?

Frasier was an ensemble show that requires other characters to be foils to Frasier himself, who wasn’t really all that entertaining by himself. Niles, his father, and Daphne punctured his sense of superiority and showed how absurd he could be at his core.

It's telling that Picard only really got anyone to like it when they finally committed to being a continuation of TNG with the TNG characters instead of running around trying to resemble, seemingly, everything except TNG.

They forgot who Picard was. Instead of the commanding, stern but fair, sure of himself Captain that saved the universe multiple times, we got a dottering grandpa looking for his slippers.

I don't know, I thought their portrayal of Picard as a sad, lonely old man getting into shootouts with regular cops in modern-day Los Angeles was *very* faithful to the character's origins as a badass far-future warrior-philosopher solving intergalactic turmoil with the power of diplomacy, logic, and the cooperation of his loyal crew of spacefaring super-geniuses. You can pretty much draw a direct line from Picard carrying the weight of experiencing the dying days of an entire civilization in the blink of an eye, and the lingering pain and guilt of being stripped of his humanity and forced to massacre his friends and comrades as the unwitting pawn of an unfeeling machine-mind, to him getting run over by Brent Spiner's Tesla Model X in a Hyatt Regency parking lot and going into a coma where he's mad at his dad. It's a real Joseph Campbell, Monomyth, Hero's Journey-type thing. Call to adventure, challenges and temptations, transformation, atonement, run over by an electric roadster going 7mph in a hotel parking lot. You see that same pattern all over the place in classical mythology if you know where to look for it. >!I hate this stupid f****** show so much. It's been five years and I'm still pissed that I sat through all that.!<

Thats exactly why season 3 is the only good season

And then there's Twin Peaks The Return.

I think this is exactly right. They did not realize how important the supporting cast was. Frasier focused exclusively on Kelsey Grammar and an otherwise completely new cast - big difference. Scrubs returns almost all the OG cast (save those no longer among the living).

I thought the new Will and Grace episodes were great.

At first I was worried she’d be annoyingly 1 note, but lately with the gambling and break room she’s becoming that fun weird side character between Ted and Jan Itor Edit to add: they need a new hospital lawyer. The lawyer can’t have been a big part of hospital life before and now zip, for the COM especially. They also haven’t even mentioned Ted have they? It’d be nice if there was a painting or plaque to him JD notices.

> They could’ve survived without JD but the main core needs to be the same. Can you elaborate on this? I feel like I'm not understanding what you mean here. Scrubs without JD is like saying Frasier without Fraiser

Heh Sacred Fart.

That Christmas episode in the 1st season was classic Frasier. Honestly though, not having Niles or Daphne and then not bringing Ros on until later really hurt for people not even wanting to try it out.

I'm in agreement. While not quite on the same level as the first 6-7 seasons of the show, I thought it was better than the last several seasons of the original run. And as far as reboots go, id say its pretty good compared to a lot of them

People dont like Kelsey Grammer anymore because he supports Trump.

They couldn't get the band back together 

Niles being in it would have made up for no Martin. Freddy was honestly a solid replacement for him.

Well...John Mahoney passed away in 2018. There's absolutely no way anybody would expect him to be in the reboot. He was old when it originally aired on the 90s.

This would be like Scrubs without Turk and Dr. Cox. 

"New Girl reboot, but it's only Jess"

That's all they needed to say. "Cheers was never a place, it was the people. I dropped by once and the people I knew weren't there anymore. Nobody knew my name. It wasn't just that the place didn't feel the same, it felt like it wasn't \*there\* anymore. It made me sad. I've never been back."

I'm also gonna be honest. I don't understand how you could have written a show with Freddie Frasier 'S kid and given him Son, who's nothing like the kid He was in frasier, the tv show. One of the best episodes in the whole series is the one where Martin tries to treat him like a normal kid and ends up with two black eyes. And though horrified look he gives people where they're like, go play with your grandpa because of all the shenanigans going on in the episode. To have that kid be a down to earth, fireman years later, just seemed so out of left field.

I was disappointed with that initially as Dr Cox was the best character in the original series. But now that i've seen a few episodes of JD as Chief of Medicine it was definitely the correct decision in terms of storytelling opportunities.

The actor had a scheduling type issue is I believe why he’s going to be an occasional guest star. Same with Carla’s actor