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News & Current Events Mar 25, 2026 at 6:12 PM

What movie villain had the lamest or most underwhelming motivation?

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Way back in 2018 I saw two movies in theatres that I couldn't help but compare. Both animated and both starring superheroes. The first's a classic and the second soon slid from memory like coarse fibre in a healthy digestive-system. The difference was in how each film handled their villains. Most stories live or die on the strength of their antagonists, superhero movies especially. You want to see Batman fight the Joker, the Riddler or Mr. Freeze on the big screen; not Colonel Blimp or the goddamn Penny Plunderer. Villains need goals just like the heroes, and if those goals are weak, uninteresting, or too vague then they drag the entire enterprise down. The two contrasting films are... **GOOD: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018)** Wilson Fisk the Kingpin is a bit of an oddity in Spider-Man's rogue gallery since he's a human crime boss without superpowers or any fancy gadgets in his repertoire. In the comics he's more likely to face off against Daredevil or the Punisher since they all fit the same grounded, gritty tone. In this film he makes sense because he has an understandable motive. He hates Spider-Man for exposing Fisk's cruelty to his family, causing them to run away and die in a car accident. Fisk kills Spider-Man for interfering with his plan to bring forth a copy of his late family from another universe, despite the process threatening to rip apart the fabric of space-time and possibly Queens as well. It takes all of thirty seconds to relay this information about Fisk in a flashback, and so we never lose sight of the main plot that is Miles Morales' journey into becoming the new Spider-Man. The entire kerfuffle that drags these Spider-People and rogues together stem from Fisk's actions and it all makes thematic sense. In the climax Fisk proves he will always lose his family, no matter the universe he drags them from. Immense pathos for a man who look like a thumb at a funeral. **LAME: The Incredibles 2 (2018)** The villain here is called the Screenslaver. They want to brainwash the superheroes of the world into committing atrocities, thereby dragging their reputation in the toilet. Bear in mind the reputation of superheroes was already in the red for at least fifteen years at this point. The Screenslaver hates superheroes on principle because their father was a proponent of them, only to die in a home-invasion where no superheroes came to his aid. Also bear in mind his murder happened in an era when Superheroes were banned and had gone underground. That's like cursing Santa Claus for not bringing you gifts in July. I saw this family-film eight years ago and I still can't parse the villain's motive because it's so vague and confusing. The film also commits the sin of giving the villain a neat costume, only to reveal them to be a brainwashed patsy of a boring mastermind in civilian clothes. ***Other contrasting examples, mostly James Bond...*** **GOOD: Goldfinger (1964)** Deviating from the book for all the better, the villain Goldfinger wants to irradiate the bullion in Fort Knox, thereby driving up the value of his own stock. His dirty bomb threatens to turn Kentucky into another Arkansas, which raises the stakes for a scheme that can be boiled down to cruel, indifferent greed. Goldfinger is so savvy a villain that people tend to forgot James Bond himself doesn't accomplish all that much in the film, aside from turning a lesbian woman straight using his laser-proof p****. **LAME: A View to a Kill (1985)** Rehashing Goldfinger to diminishing returns, Christopher Walken wants to flood Silicon Valley so his microchip company will have no competitors. While it may have been beneficial to humanity in hindsight, destroying Silicon Valley doesn't make economic sense since they don't actually produce that many microchips in the one place. In fact the villain would be wiping out a good chunk of his customers who'd buy his microchips. But that's the hardly most egregious aspect of a film where an elderly Bond can't even jump down a three foot ledge without his obvious double taking the leap. You don't even need to freeze-frame during the Paris set-piece to notice the guy. **GOOD: C***** Royale (2006)** Le Chiffre makes his money by dipping into his customers' funds, shorting against major companies, and committing acts of terrorism on them to secure a payday. When Bond foils his plans, Le Chiffre finds himself in a financial hole, leading to him to set up a high-class p**** tournament to recoup his losses. Le Chiffre is a good villain because his scheme falls apart in-universe due to his own greed and stupidity. While monstrous, his situation is understandable to those in debt. In other words, anyone born after 1980. **LAME: Quantum of Solace (2008)** There is such a thing as being *too* grounded. The direct sequel to Royale had to contend with it being a tough act to follow, not helped by a writer's strike bogging down production. But the real problem is that what the villains want in Quantum are the water rights to Bolivia. That sort of thing is a menace in real-life, but in a hyper-real spy fantasy nobody is going to give a shit about Bolivia. I can barely remember the bad guys outside one of them looking like Quentin Tarantino. Perhaps he had his own agenda, and meant to hold Bolivia hostage for their feet pics. **ALSO LAME: See How They Run (2022)** This is a "comedy-mystery" where the mystery isn't who killed the sleazy film director. It's a mystery because you're asking yourself, "where are the jokes?" The killer could have gotten away with hiding the body in my movie theatre because I was the only person watching. A narcoleptic detective played too well by Sam Rockwell investigates the crime, assisted by police-officer Saoirse Ronan. Her in that fetching uniform is the only praise I can give. The film has sins aplenty; cramming in too many characters in too short a runtime, playing around with pointless narration and dream-sequences, and dangling red herrings far more enticing than the actual conclusion. In the end the killer turns out to be some random a****** with three lines before now who's upset that Agatha Christie wrote a sell-out play loosely based on some family tragedy of his. That's a lame motive on par with that Detective Conan story where a man kills two people over fan-fiction. You'd think a film about The Mousetrap, the longest-running play on Earth, could muster a mystery that wasn't half-cocked like a bobby with impotence. I'm not going to tell you how that play ends, because I don't give a shit. \* I was inspired to write this down because I read spoilers about the latest **Scream** movie that sounded really stupid. A villainous motive doesn't need to be complex, only interesting or understandable. A family of four with three chromosomes between them living in Texas don't need a complicated reason for eating tourists. I'm sure you can think of other examples.

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krattalak Mar 25, 2026 +6
Fun Fact about Goldfinger: Irradiating gold results in Gold^198, which has a half-life of just 2.5 days. While on the surface, this seems like Goldfingers plan is pointless, Gold^198 decays into Mercury^198 via beta decay. It's unlikely that Goldfingers plan would have worked though, as irradiating gold requires a reactor and prolonged exposure. He might have been able to affect a small amount of the gold, but it would have been minuscule at best. There is in fact ongoing research currently being done to attempt the reverse, by using reactors to turn Mercury^198 into Gold^197.
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Shittalking_mushroom Mar 25, 2026 +6
Silva, Blofeld, and Safin in the last three Craig Bond movies were just terribly written and had stupid motivations, Blofeld especially. All three become these ultra powerful figures with the power and money to do anything and their sole motivation is revenge on a single person, which seemingly takes them DECADES to get to. Blofeld being the under appreciated other son compared to Bond was beyond ridiculous, I can’t believe they went with that and it is what drove him to create Spectre. Straight out of Austin Powers type motivation. Mad’s Mikkelson’s LaChifre was the best of that era because he was simply a bad dude who was in it for money and power, but he was low key and calculated. Bond literally had to pick him apart in the p**** game and it almost killed him doing it.
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Bouche__032 Mar 25, 2026 +8
Scream 7 honestly is up there for me
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Dottsterisk Mar 25, 2026
The original is a seminal entry into the horror canon and the second is a worthy sequel but it just goes downhill from there. The third has moments (the opening kill) but fails to capture the magic, as does 4. The Radio Silence entries are garbage and 7 is just entirely unremarkable. We’re at the point where we either give up on the franchise and accept it ended with a whimper or continually pray for a return to form.
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abandoned_rain Mar 25, 2026 -1
Scream 3, 5, and 6 are even worse
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PseudoLucian Mar 25, 2026 +19
Anikin Skywalker, in Revenge of the Sith. "Hmmm, the Jedi Knights don't want me to marry my girlfriend... I think I'll murder all the Jedi children, abandon the pregnant girlfriend, and become Darth Vader!"
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Dottsterisk Mar 25, 2026 +12
For Anakin’s turn to work, Phantom Menace should have ended with an emotional and overt disagreement between young Anakin and the Jedi over his mother being left to rot in slavery, making it clear that it planted the seed of resentment, which would eventually turn into hatred. As a young boy missing his mother, there’s nothing the Jedi Council could say that would convince him it’s ok to leave his mom on Tatooine or console him from that loss.
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lost-james Mar 26, 2026 +1
Anakin’s turn would never work. The twist in Episode 5 contradicts a lot of Episode 4 and thus Episode 1, 2 and 3 spend all of their runtime trying to make sense of it. They don’t succeed.
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Kolby_Jack33 Mar 25, 2026
I mean, his own mom wanted him to go. It's not like the jedi kidnapped him. Hell, they didn't even steal him from Watto, they had to win him in a bet. One thing the Jedi were adamant about was that despite the initial exmption made for him, he was to be treated like any other Jedi. Unless they were going to go free every slave on Tatooine (a non-Republic world ruled by a powerful crime syndicate), freeing Anakin's mother would have been against that idea. Every Jedi comes from parents, some of whom are in bad situations that the Jedi can't solve. And also, Padme sent someone to free Shmi anyway but found that she was already freed by the guy who she then married. Shmi died in a random raid, not because of her slavery.
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Codysseus7 Mar 25, 2026 +2
The only way this can make sense is if your force alignment influences your personality which it seems to always be shown as the opposite. So that “falling to the Dark side” meant he went a step too far and is now basically trapped.
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PseudoLucian Mar 25, 2026
Yes, but fanboys can come up with a justification for anything, no matter how lame. And so can George Lucas, apparently.
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Codysseus7 Mar 25, 2026 -1
It’s like poetry. But no I agree. The Star Wars universe is something I love, TOR is great. But there’s many things to be criticized. The sequel trilogy being the most egregious. When deciding to do 3 movies how do you not lock a director into a 3 picture deal with a vision and story???????? It’s f****** bananas to me how incompetent the supposed “top” people in the world are at their jobs.
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TrueLegateDamar Mar 25, 2026 +2
Worse, they would let go him marry his girlfriend but then he would no longer be allowed to stay a Jedi Knight due to being emotionally compromised.
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Kolby_Jack33 Mar 25, 2026 +2
Yeah, Jedi can quit the order anytime they want. Anakin, being the husband of a wealthy senator, would have been fine. He only felt like he had no choice because he would have had to give something up, which his selfishness couldn't accept.
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I_Weep_for_Willow Mar 25, 2026 +1
Yeah, where was the whole 'seduced by the dark side' thing?
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NamelessGamer_1 Mar 25, 2026 -1
ROTS hate in the big 26 💔
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DemandAdditional8706 Mar 25, 2026 +3
screenslaver was such disapointment
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Ironborn137 Mar 25, 2026 +4
I will die on the quantum of solace is a good movie hill. I liked the grounded villains and especially the theater scene. This is how these sick fucks behave in real life.
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Techno_Core Mar 25, 2026 +2
Gotta say it: Thanos. Great character, but his motivation was just that he was insane.
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cryptojacktack Mar 25, 2026 +9
Swapping him out for a clone that has no memory of the entire series in the finale was a weird choice
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Techno_Core Mar 25, 2026 +4
They did back themselves into a corner by letting him win in IW
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Celestin_Sky Mar 25, 2026 +4
Not really. Have him captured and put away for 5 years, content that he won. While many hate him, you can bet he would have a completely new cult build around him. When Avengers find a way to undo what he did, the cult gets to him and when he learns about this, he regains his motivation to fight them again. You lose a surprise at the start of the movie, but you get a lot better ending with Avengers fighting Thanos that won before instead of a younger and more unrefined version.
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DeadRobotsSociety Mar 25, 2026 +1
I doubt any Avenger could be in the same room with a weakened but victorious Thanos and not immediately execute him.
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akpenguin Mar 25, 2026 +1
>instead of a younger and more unrefined version Who had zero stones at that point. And they struggled more than when he had 2, 3, 4, and 5 stones.
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DeadRobotsSociety Mar 25, 2026
I'm pretty sure Thanos had two stones on him at all times.
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akpenguin Mar 25, 2026 +1
In Endgame? Absolutely not. They do the time heist to collect them all before he has a chance to get even one. He doesn't touch them until the end of the final battle.
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DeadRobotsSociety Mar 25, 2026
Reread that last sentence.
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akpenguin Mar 25, 2026 +1
He doesn't have those stones either. All of his "children" are abducted war trophies because he couldn't make any the traditional way.
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Techno_Core Mar 25, 2026
Give Feige a call. They need you. ETA: Though given half of ALL life was wiped out, it's hard to imagine he'd be left to sit in a cell. Many MANY powerful people would come screaming for his blood. But it's still a good idea.
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Celestin_Sky Mar 25, 2026 +1
Have Avengers keep him safe. Not only you get drama of them not only defeated, but again divided, since people like Thor and Burton would definitely want him gone, you get some scenes where Tony or Steve can have talks with Thanos, making their final fight a lot more personal since they actually know each other.
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NamelessGamer_1 Mar 25, 2026 +1
I really don't think anything would have changed if he did remember everything. If anything, his motivations in Endgame actually make more logical sense than his IW motives.
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cryptojacktack Mar 26, 2026 +1
I just thought it was a weird choice narratively when the whole point of the marvel movie universe was a shared plot spanning many movies
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Additional_Ice_358 Mar 25, 2026 +3
I didn't mind it personally. Literally "Mad Titan" personified. Can not be reasoned with and thought what he was doing was for the better. I feel like if they went with the comic version (for death to love him) he would have been memed endlessly for being a simp.
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brady4801 Mar 25, 2026 +3
I much preferred the comic version where he was in love with the Death (anthropomorphized), and wanted to kill half the universe as a gift to her. Her loving Deadpool instead was icing on the cake
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NamelessGamer_1 Mar 25, 2026 +1
This is a more generic motivation than the one he has in the movies
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briareus08 Mar 26, 2026 +1
At least that one makes sense.
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Techno_Core Mar 25, 2026 +1
Yes. And Cate Blanchett's Hela was right there!
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I_Weep_for_Willow Mar 25, 2026 +1
He might've been insane, but he clearly states his motivation. It was kinda dumb, but he *did* have a clear goal. 
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NamelessGamer_1 Mar 25, 2026 +1
That's a vast oversimplification
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briareus08 Mar 26, 2026 +1
Yeah this is my go-to. All of that effort, because his planet ran out of resources? And he thinks the best solution is just to kill half of all living things in the universe? Firstly, that’s just a patently ridiculous motivation. Secondly, anyone with a high-school level of science could tell you why his grand scheme accomplishes literally nothing. It’s the ultimate pointless scheme for no good reason. Just really bad writing.
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Smooth-Mix-4357 Mar 25, 2026 +3
Any villain with a motivation of wanting power/wealth/status and nothing else
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Dottsterisk Mar 25, 2026 +10
Lame but realistic.
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Smooth-Mix-4357 Mar 25, 2026
I'd be fine if the villain had a personality instead of being a wooden plank
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EnigmaticGolem Mar 25, 2026 +8
Lame but realistic.
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I_Weep_for_Willow Mar 25, 2026 +1
C'mon, the emperor in Star Wars? I love that all he wants is power.
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Smooth-Mix-4357 Mar 26, 2026 +1
As I said in the other comment I'd be fine if it's not a wooden plank. The Emperor in Return of the Jedi was hardly a wooden plank.
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DeadRobotsSociety Mar 25, 2026
A motive that can be boiled down to one word is perfectly fine. Like every creative endeavour it's all in the execution. Walter White says he needs to make meth to keep his family going financially after his death, but it's blatantly obvious early on that money isn't the problem. If he ever swallowed his pride at any point the show might have been a placid four-episode British miniseries where everything turns out great apart from that one drug dealer getting strangled with a bike-lock.
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Waste-Replacement232 Mar 25, 2026 +1
The Strangers. (In the remake/reboot (?) trilogy, not the original)
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NamelessGamer_1 Mar 25, 2026 +1
For a hot second I thought you were about to say Infinity War for lame villain lol
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Filmscore_Soze Mar 25, 2026 +1
They already did. Preposterous.
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Own-Librarian-9699 Mar 25, 2026 +1
I am not an expert on the Transporter franchise, but the little I have watched make the villains to appear not only idiotic and childish and psychopathic, but their primary motivation is barely existent.  In #3, I think, the villain had kidnapped the daughter of some import official inspector, to force him to accept radioactive waste.... But not for the benefit of the villain. The villain had no interest in the waste... He is some kind of hired mercenary for the source of the waste and his goal is to influence the smuggling of radioactive waste into the country of Hungary or some Baltic country.  But why the F is the transporter introduced?? Where the hell is he going? The first transporter appeared to have a change of heart, but Jason Statham is being forced to transport this kidnapped party girl..... where? It makes zero sense. Then the villain instantly starts to chase the guy he just let drive away?? The goal is to force the importation of toxic waste so why does the location of the daughter matter?? Keep her in one place until the importation happens.  And why does this villain care? He wants the toxic waste to be accepted by this random country?? So what?? The ship will just dump it in the ocean. These are not moral people. Just dump it in the ocean!! Forget the kidnapping. Scuttle the ship.  Whatever. 
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ExtensionParsley4205 Mar 25, 2026 +1
Miranda in Mrs Doubtfire refuses to share custody with her ex husband because he…threw a birthday party for his son? (Yes it was against her wishes, but it’s not like he abused the kids or anything close to it).
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BlooregardQKazoo Mar 25, 2026 -1
At some point, Pixar decided that every movie needed a villain so they started just shoe-horning them in, even if they weren't at all necessary to the story. Unsurprisingly, when your villains are just tossed in to check a box on a list, they aren't very good. These three movies came out in a row, all with terrible villains, that would have been better as adventure movies that focused more on resolving character arcs and less on beating up a bad guy: **Wall-E** - The computer serves no purpose. It actually makes the story worse, because it turns the slothful humans into victims of manipulation rather than forcing them to deal with being their own jailers. A movie that was fascinating on Earth immediately became a slog once it moved into space and the random villain was a big part of that. **Up** - The old adventurer should have been a great cautionary tale, dying all alone in the middle of nowhere while chasing a silly dream that caused him to lose his ties to others. Carl could have come across the cave, found the dead man's journals, and learned something about the path he was on. Instead, we got a random villain and a truly absurd fight between geriactrics (the villain had to be 90+ based on already being an adult when Carl was a child) on a zepplin. **Toy Story 3** - People love this movie and I don't get it. It's a mess. The movie should have been focused simply on Woody getting back and then having an opportunity to play with Andy one last time. Instead, there's a random villain (Lotso) and a trash compactor scene, neither of which serve that larger purpose. Heck, keep Lotso in as a cautionary tale, but skip all of the garbage where he goes full villain for no reason.
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Own-Librarian-9699 Mar 25, 2026 +3
Yeah, WALL-E is a classic fail. The entire movie sets up humans as the villain. When I first saw it I was aghast Midway in the movie because I realized the plot was set up to make humans the villain, and WALL-E would have to hijack the mother ship and direct it into the sun, exterminating humanity to save Eve. That just seemed like the way it was going. Then the computer takes the villain role and the humans unite and I was so let down.  Obviously Disney is not going to exterminate humanity to save WALL-E's crush but I'm convinced that was the better choice. Humans were just so loathsome in that movie. 
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Constant_Return Mar 25, 2026
The killers in Prisoners
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res30stupid Mar 25, 2026
Not a film but there's this episode of the series *Midsomer Murders* where the killer turns out to have a pretty lame motive. "Tainted Fruit" has the killer murder three people >!including her own husband!< because... they were seen committing an act of drunk-driving, a relatively minor offence. But >!she was obsessed with status as a member of the local upper crust society and she and her husband were currently applying to join the local country club as full members. Because she totalled someone else's car when she technically stole and crashed it, the offence would've resulted in jail time instead of just points being lost on her license, meaning she'd be denied membership. She killed two people who had witnessed her driving the car instead of the woman the police believed was driving her own vehicle.!< --- Also not a film but the villain's motivation in the game 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors is particularly crazy when you learn about it. As it turns out Zero - the person who kidnapped the nine people forced to run around a sinking cruise ship to escape - isn't the actual villain of the game, their scheme is to get revenge on another person as well as to >!get herself out of a time paradox!<. Zero didn't even create the fucked-up death game they're playing, they're just reusing the same game that someone else forced them into when Zero was a child. >!Gentarou Hongou, the old man the player knows as Ace!< created the Nonary Game, which he subjected *children* to, in order to test a theory about awakening psychic potential in people, letting people send messages to one-another via telepathy. The reason he did so? >!He suffers from a brain defect that stops him recognising people by their faces. That is solely why he kidnapped eighteen kids, one of which developed a power to jump timelines after being roasted to death in one of them.!<
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DeadRobotsSociety Mar 25, 2026 +2
Since Midsomer has been going on for thirty years I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an episode where the killer had a twee motive like winning *only* second place in the Best Trifle Dessert contest.
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res30stupid Mar 25, 2026 +1
Hilariously, there was an episode in Series 4 where a murder coincided with the Village of the Year contest called "Judgment Day". Fun fact, this episode of the show had Orlando Bloom as the first victim before he got famous for Pirates of the Caribbean. And while the first murder didn't have a petty motive... okay, it did, >!the killer wanted to stop her daughter from dating him since he was a petty criminal who kept dragging others down!<, the second and third murders were incredibly petty. >!The second victim was accidentally killed because she took a drink poisoned with cyanide intended for another judge, but the intended target was later murdered because she was once a patient at the same mental hospital which would've led to gossip spreading about the murderer.!<
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EleventhTier666 Mar 25, 2026 -8
The Joker in The Dark Knight.
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billiebol Mar 25, 2026 +2
One of the best villains ever.
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RadSkeleton808 Mar 25, 2026 -4
"for the lulz"
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