White House accuses China of industrial-scale theft of AI technology

It's incredible how stealing over, what was it like $300?, worth of product is considered a felony and yet AI companies (among countless other corporations) either get to ignore that altogether or get slapped with minuscule fines. Where tf is the jail time?

But that was corporations that then give unfettered access to the US govt.

Just adapt, American techbros.

Its theft all the way down.

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Property rights starts with my stuff.

Haha, a thief calls a thief a thief. O tempura o mocha!

stealing something stolen doesn't = ok in the eyes of the law

It hasn't. But it's really hard to explain to the average rube.

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And you think China is not doing that? You think China is obeying copyright and IP more than US companies after stealing source code. Wow, Listnook never ceases to gargle CCP’s balls 🤣

That doesn't just come across as a double standard, it _is_ one. The tech bro CEOs have bought the US government. Not just Trump, their lobby was strong under previous presidents too.

If the US didn't have double standards, it wouldn't have standards at all.

Oh top of that Chinese/open source models are getting as good as the top tier American ones, that's why they are shitting bricks.

Beside distillation still require Chinese firms to call those AI Apis and that cost money, at least the US is getting paid (and is pretty big). Those OpenAI and other big companies on the other hands barely pay a dent for scraping massive inforamtion from various creator online.

>You can’t have your cake and eat it too. I mean, that is basically the Republican mission statement though

It is almost like the majority of Trump's advisors are foreign assets pushing the US into positions favorable to their sponsoring nation.

China at this point is more capitalist than America. The Chinese AI scene is filled with small private corporations that sink or swim based on their merit. Most fail, but a small number of outstanding ones rise above the rest and produce quality products. An example is Moonshot, that was founded in 2023 and released Kimi K2 in 2025. This is how Adam Smith envisioned that capitalism would bring prosperity. For US, the tech scene is stagnant and over-regulated. IP laws, land zoning laws, etc. make it very hard for new competitors to break into the market. The newest big tech firm is Meta/Facebook, which was founded over 2 decades ago. For over a decade, no company has joined or left the big 5. A government-backed oligarchy is incompatible with the Smithian ideal of capitalism; in fact it is the failed Soviet Union model.

Sounds like a prime opportunity to raise tarrifs on Canada, further pushing them to increase trade ties with China, then complain when exactly that happens

Just the way the world turns. Only a few years left before China starts levying charges against countries stealing their technologies once they establish leads

It's not "stealing" in the sense most folks think of, where somebody walks out the door with a hard drive Basically if you have enough question-response pairs, you can teach an AI model to answer the same way (called "distillation"). This is generally more efficient than training from scratch. What these Chinese firms do is that they send legitimate-looking requests to leading models, collect huge troves of these responses, and train use it for model training. If they were to send requests from a single IP, it'd be easy to detect & ban. But if it's a decentralized effort conducted through proxies, detection becomes much more challenging.

Well they fired the cybersec team iirc

I think the translation is probably: The US stole AI tech from China

All Chinese Ai bots, ironically 

Not shitty. Just very very oily. Greasy in fact but quite oily.

Those negative views/comments are usually coming from the US administration and their supporters. Their hypocrisy is tempting everyone to point it out. It also doesn't help when many people don't have a favorable view of the current American administration.

Too bad the US lets them rather than build better counterintelligence measures to prevent such theft