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News & Current Events Apr 23, 2026 at 8:27 PM

White House accuses China of industrial-scale theft of AI technology

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MenyaHimeRadio Apr 23, 2026 +1175
Kind of like how AI has stolen millions of pieces of work from others
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RpiesSPIES Apr 23, 2026 +320
It's incredible how stealing over, what was it like $300?, worth of product is considered a felony and yet AI companies (among countless other corporations) either get to ignore that altogether or get slapped with minuscule fines. Where tf is the jail time?
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SweeterThanYoohoo Apr 23, 2026 +197
Corporations are people, except when it comes to accountability and responsibility. Privatized profits, public losses. It's f****** horseshit
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Superbunzil Apr 23, 2026 +44
Wage theft continues to be the most lucrative form of crime too Steal 500,000 from an armored car or bank? Ha watch some company use double speak to bamboozel 3% earning from each employee and get billions
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SweeterThanYoohoo Apr 23, 2026 +11
preach brother or sis
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Nim0y Apr 23, 2026 +31
Owners, CEO, and Board-members should be held accountable for what the business does. Why the f*** is ICE harassing people on the streets. Find out what companies are hiring them and go arrest a few owners and CEOs.
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Creepy-Bell-4527 Apr 23, 2026 +29
Piracy was never theft to begin with.
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Kataphractoi Apr 24, 2026 +6
Following the law becomes optional once you have a certain amount of money.
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solonoctus Apr 24, 2026 +6
Peoples lives were ruined over half a dozen songs off Kazaa less than 20 years ago.
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drae- Apr 23, 2026 +8
I like how pirating isn't theft until its something you disagree with.
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milkonyourmustache Apr 24, 2026 +1
If you're able to do it at scale and grease the right palms, it's all good.
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Bernard_schwartz Apr 23, 2026 +3
But that was corporations that then give unfettered access to the US govt.
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PolarWater Apr 24, 2026 +2
Just adapt, American techbros.
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freegb1 Apr 23, 2026 +2
Its theft all the way down.
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aeroxan Apr 24, 2026 +1
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texachusetts Apr 23, 2026 +1
Property rights starts with my stuff.
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ben_howler Apr 24, 2026 +1
Haha, a thief calls a thief a thief. O tempura o mocha!
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flyingbanana1234 Apr 23, 2026 -5
stealing something stolen doesn't = ok in the eyes of the law
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userousnameous Apr 23, 2026 -42
It hasn't. But it's really hard to explain to the average rube.
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Pinelli72 Apr 23, 2026 +20
Buddy
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AK_Panda Apr 23, 2026 +27
Using IP without permission en masse as training data is absolutely stealing from people lol
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Tahxeol Apr 23, 2026 +19
I mean, if I don't missremember, Trump kept playing music for his events (rallys etc) that he didn't have permission for, so, stealing other's IP is approved by this administration
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Lopsided-Engine-7456 Apr 24, 2026 -16
And China isn’t doing that? Lol
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buddhahat Apr 23, 2026 +4
Yeah, guess you’re having a hard time understanding it.
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[deleted] Apr 23, 2026 -4
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MenyaHimeRadio Apr 23, 2026 +7
The f*** are you on about? You clearly don't know what most of the words you just used mean. This is not a whataboutism, you're just a moron.
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sus_bot_ Apr 23, 2026 -9
How come you replied with an ad hominen? When you said "kind of like how" that is a "what about" with different wording. Then you followed with an ad hominen. CCP bots are known to be prompted to use logical fallacies exactly like you did.
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MenyaHimeRadio Apr 23, 2026 +9
Bro you're paranoid as f*** and clearly think you're a lot smarter than you actually are.
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Lopsided-Engine-7456 Apr 24, 2026 -27
And you think China is not doing that? You think China is obeying copyright and IP more than US companies after stealing source code. Wow, Listnook never ceases to gargle CCP’s balls 🤣
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0b0011 Apr 24, 2026 +18
You're getting yourself riled up over nothing. No one said China wasn't doing that.
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stdstaples Apr 23, 2026 +477
Distillation isn’t some fringe tactic and it’s been part of LLM for a while now. US companies have every right to lock down APIs if they want, but calling similar techniques “stealing” only when the Chinese use them comes across as a double standard.
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NMe84 Apr 24, 2026 +153
That doesn't just come across as a double standard, it _is_ one. The tech bro CEOs have bought the US government. Not just Trump, their lobby was strong under previous presidents too.
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Tridus Apr 24, 2026 +23
If the US didn't have double standards, it wouldn't have standards at all.
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DarthShiv Apr 24, 2026 +4
🤣 well said
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MrBoomBox69 Apr 23, 2026 +201
The hypocrisy here is crazy. Most LLM models relied on publicly scraping the web for information. You do this by creating web crawlers and annotate what you find. Many of these web crawlers used bot accounts. Facebook openly torrented copyrighted content without seeding (redistribution) for ollama. The Chinese use a process called distillation. They query the LLM and reconstruct the information from the outputs. There’s no guarantee they’ll get valid responses and they will have to handle hallucinations on their end. That’s fair play given how the information landscape changed after ChatGPT. Listnook, Twitter, meta have closed APIs now making information harvesting really expensive, which at the time was being exploited by OpenAI for ChatGPT. Get fucked. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
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SrMortron Apr 24, 2026 +57
Oh top of that Chinese/open source models are getting as good as the top tier American ones, that's why they are shitting bricks.
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BlackEagleActual Apr 24, 2026 +13
Beside distillation still require Chinese firms to call those AI Apis and that cost money, at least the US is getting paid (and is pretty big). Those OpenAI and other big companies on the other hands barely pay a dent for scraping massive inforamtion from various creator online.
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Farfignugen42 Apr 24, 2026 +1
>You can’t have your cake and eat it too. I mean, that is basically the Republican mission statement though
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Remote-Ad-2686 Apr 23, 2026 +70
China … the only w***** in this shit show ….
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code_archeologist Apr 23, 2026 +33
It is almost like the majority of Trump's advisors are foreign assets pushing the US into positions favorable to their sponsoring nation.
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Pleasant_Narwhal_350 Apr 24, 2026 +6
China at this point is more capitalist than America. The Chinese AI scene is filled with small private corporations that sink or swim based on their merit. Most fail, but a small number of outstanding ones rise above the rest and produce quality products. An example is Moonshot, that was founded in 2023 and released Kimi K2 in 2025. This is how Adam Smith envisioned that capitalism would bring prosperity. For US, the tech scene is stagnant and over-regulated. IP laws, land zoning laws, etc. make it very hard for new competitors to break into the market. The newest big tech firm is Meta/Facebook, which was founded over 2 decades ago. For over a decade, no company has joined or left the big 5. A government-backed oligarchy is incompatible with the Smithian ideal of capitalism; in fact it is the failed Soviet Union model.
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jonydevidson Apr 24, 2026 +4
The newest big tech firm is Anthropic.
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Ancient-Bat1755 Apr 23, 2026 +209
Good thing you punished EU, greenland , canada , ukraine and venezuala then! That will teach China! So tough.
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TacoTaconoMi Apr 23, 2026 +50
Sounds like a prime opportunity to raise tarrifs on Canada, further pushing them to increase trade ties with China, then complain when exactly that happens
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Ancient-Bat1755 Apr 23, 2026 +8
Best we can do is invade Cuba to be China and Russia whipping boy for the king so he does not feel bad.
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feral0101 Apr 23, 2026 +83
Same administration that said Taiwan stole the US’ chip industry and Mexico and the rest of the world stole US jobs btw
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sarges_12gauge Apr 24, 2026 +4
Just the way the world turns. Only a few years left before China starts levying charges against countries stealing their technologies once they establish leads
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Itsprobablysarcasm Apr 23, 2026 +58
34x convicted felon who stole money from a children's cancer charity accuses others of stealing...
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Potates42 Apr 23, 2026 +18
They say while stealing Venezuela's oil and gold.
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Eclipse434343 Apr 23, 2026 +25
Oil smugglers/government conmen accusing others of stealing. The projection is real
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slightlyused Apr 23, 2026 +6
A year ago: [https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/04/11/nsa-cybercom-firings-stir-worries-over-how-seriously-trump-administration-takes-cybersecurity.html](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/04/11/nsa-cybercom-firings-stir-worries-over-how-seriously-trump-administration-takes-cybersecurity.html)
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ABob71 Apr 23, 2026 +12
That's hilarious. It's like complaining that someone is copying the homework you stole off the class nerd
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Consistent-Song1643 Apr 23, 2026 +14
You mean like how the president misappropriated aka stole funds from his children's cancer charity?  That kind of theft? Thief big mad someone stole from them.  Sucks huh?
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BrianWantsTruth Apr 23, 2026 +7
China could stand up and say “yep, and we’ll do it again, now what?” No one gives a f***, especially about AI.
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Not_a_N_Korean_Spy Apr 23, 2026 +6
They have a point in the sense that deepseek has been found to respond referring to the limitations in its replies according to Anthropic guidelines... but thieves complaining about being stolen from is rather rich.
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Grosjeaner Apr 23, 2026 +8
You simply can't help but scoff at the stupidity. Anybody with half a brain should be laughing at the hypocrisy of the US AI companies.
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spderweb Apr 23, 2026 +3
Should probably explain to them how ai works.
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LavisAlex Apr 23, 2026 +9
The question should more be how are they stealing so consistently? Its like they blame China, but dont put any effort in to solve the problem?
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d_vijit Apr 23, 2026 +11
It's not "stealing" in the sense most folks think of, where somebody walks out the door with a hard drive Basically if you have enough question-response pairs, you can teach an AI model to answer the same way (called "distillation"). This is generally more efficient than training from scratch. What these Chinese firms do is that they send legitimate-looking requests to leading models, collect huge troves of these responses, and train use it for model training. If they were to send requests from a single IP, it'd be easy to detect & ban. But if it's a decentralized effort conducted through proxies, detection becomes much more challenging.
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AK_Panda Apr 23, 2026 +20
That's kinda hilarious tbh. AI companies illegally stole their training data to make the AI, China is now doing the same thing to them. They should have anticipated this.
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Inko21 Apr 24, 2026 +6
Its bullshit, there are thousands of regular people doing the same thing, albeit on a smaller scale, but since they are not competing with US Ai giants noone cares. But since China now is offering rival products the pitchforks are out. Its hilarious.
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Yuukiko_ Apr 23, 2026 +2
Well they fired the cybersec team iirc
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Photeus5 Apr 23, 2026 +8
Stealing AI is like stealing someone's else's homework that they didn't do but instead stole from someone else.  Soon we'll have AI just straight up consuming other AI.  
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wwarnout Apr 23, 2026 +15
So, America has been stealing AI tech. Got it.
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Raven_Photography Apr 24, 2026 +3
Well the White House would know since they’ve done industrial scale theft of everything for the last year.
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Foodspec Apr 24, 2026 +3
Trump probably sold it to them and forgot
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Katynrosja Apr 24, 2026 +3
Oh no chinas stealing our glorified autocomplete that every single company spent $500 billion on to try to lay everyone off D:
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Direlion Apr 24, 2026 +3
Remember when the US stole looming technology from England, allowing them to begin their own Industrial Revolution? I do. Does the White House? Do other Americans? Press X to doubt.
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WWIIICannonFodder Apr 24, 2026 +3
China is just borrowing it as training data for their AI and human engineers. That reminds me, I gotta go download that book someone recommended me. I need to use it as training data for my brain.
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GeraldJimes_ Apr 23, 2026 +8
Very funny tbh. China is obviously an extreme case, but American tech seems like it may be in for a rude awakening as it turns out the policy of alienating the rest of the world means they all just rebuild your shit rather than give your comapnies the open access to you were able to build your wealth and status on
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satanzhand Apr 23, 2026 +3
China just under cutting USA token costs by a lot for not a lot of difference... I'm moving as a protest vote against the USA and I'm sick of paying a premium for a service that's down most of my work day and can't run over night because it goes down.
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RexDraco Apr 23, 2026 +4
Im on china's side on this one. All China is guilty of is scraping data, fair game. 
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zenbowman Apr 23, 2026 +8
AI companies have also been enabled by industrial scale theft of user content, so this is a laughable claim.
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Tailor-DKS Apr 23, 2026 +2
Of course! Lets raise the tariffs again and let china see how much us citizens are willing to pay!
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Serpentongue Apr 23, 2026 +2
If capitalism has always knows China doesn’t respect IP why would capitalism send jobs and resources to China? Oh yeah, greed.
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_banana_attack_ Apr 23, 2026 +2
It’s a good thing we have a really robust agency dedicated to cybersecurity and protecting critical infrastructure right…./s
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TuctDape Apr 23, 2026 +2
And? What are you gonna do about it?
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redd1618 Apr 23, 2026 +2
copying slop = slop slop
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blackcain Apr 24, 2026 +2
what you gonna do? tariff them, taco boy?
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FatDonkus Apr 24, 2026 +2
I accuse the white house of being filled with p**** ass drunks
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fheathyr Apr 24, 2026 +2
Just think, before Trump we used to believe these pronouncements.
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FallingUpwardz Apr 24, 2026 +2
So what about all the media and copyright material all the AI companies stole to train their models?
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monotvtv Apr 24, 2026 +2
This has been going on since at least 2025. Anthropic accused China of doing this exact thing to build DeepSeek — flooding APIs with millions of queries to reconstruct the model. White House sat on it for over a year before saying anything official. The timing matters. Trump flies to Beijing in 3 weeks. Full breakdown here: https://novarapress.net/china-ai-distillation-white-house-memo-2026/
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try_repeat_succeed Apr 24, 2026 +2
Its ip theft all the way down... almost gives me hope that we might eliminate ip altogether
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AccordionORama Apr 24, 2026 +2
Why should AI be any different?
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cytherian Apr 24, 2026 +2
Don Jr. and Eric forgot themselves?
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thegameisafoooooot Apr 24, 2026 +2
All the industrial scale harvesting of citizens information by the DOGE exercise and those huge AI centres bring built all over the country will help the US win this race, I guess.
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knightress_oxhide Apr 24, 2026 +2
if only there were people in america that could defend against this
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nikongod Apr 24, 2026 +2
Good thing the white house has shown a willingness to block the sale of ai chips to china. ( /S )
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barnfodder Apr 24, 2026 +2
It's an ouroboros of plagiarism!
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malakon Apr 24, 2026 +2
They came to our universities and were top PhD performers in AI research. They learned everything. They took it home, applied it. And I'm sure they have espionage teams doing nothing but acquiring any and all AI development. And I'm sure we do the same.
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Curious_Journey_ Apr 23, 2026 +9
I rarely trust this whites house, but isn’t this headline basically already assumed?
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MotownMama Apr 23, 2026 +11
I think the translation is probably: The US stole AI tech from China
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CourierFive Apr 23, 2026 +3
Shit House crying again. That's the very concept of current AI, you muppets, stealing, everything from everyone. Unprecedented gluttony, of data.
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TechnicalScheme385 Apr 23, 2026 +2
Coming from the WH? The very dipshits who greenlit selling of AI hardware, made exemptions and deals.
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DarthShiv Apr 24, 2026 +1
US AI tech is trained using stolen info anyway. Who gives a f*** what the US whines about here?
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psilon2020 Apr 23, 2026 +3
This is normal for China. Pretty much the goat of stealing USA's tech.
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Slow_Balance270 Apr 23, 2026 +3
AI is literally just stealing human knowledge.
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leisurechef Apr 23, 2026 +1
Somebody call the waaaaaaambulance
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macross1984 Apr 23, 2026 +1
So what's new here? Once the scale get too big, is it too big to fail syndrome?
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Ok-Pair-2783 Apr 23, 2026
No honor among thieves i guess
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ZucchiniYall Apr 23, 2026
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Artanox Apr 23, 2026
I dont get why big ai corps havent blocked foreign traffic to atleast tamper the distillation attacks, are they stupid? /yeah
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Aramis444 Apr 24, 2026
China: “Ya, so what?”
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Midiamp Apr 24, 2026
Anything that came out of the white house today is just shit, and I'm not talking about the septic tank trucks.
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Desert-Noir Apr 24, 2026
Funny, Americans are accusing the White House of industrial-scale theft of tariff dollars and giving them to the ultra-rich.
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Probolone Apr 24, 2026
What happened to no ai regulation. Oh only when it loses money for corps
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codecrodie Apr 24, 2026
Stupid Trump. Instead of whining about this or that, you should be actively stealing Chinese robotics and manufacturing/industrial engineering.
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Cool-Weight-8036 Apr 24, 2026
Like accusing someone of being very handsome
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LazloHollifeld Apr 23, 2026
China has been stealing IP for decades. Why did they think AI would be anything different?
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mikeyt6969 Apr 24, 2026 +2
China wouldn’t have an economy if it didn’t steal everything
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Eymrich Apr 24, 2026 -1
F*** AI companies. Ai should be entirely open source and in this China as a whole is doing so much better than us. I use local AI models and the best for me are all Chinese models.
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golfwang1539 Apr 23, 2026
Of course there's not a single piece of information or truth in these comments lol just the same 3 jokes
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Choice_Past7399 Apr 23, 2026 +3
All Chinese Ai bots, ironically 
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No_Street8874 Apr 24, 2026 -1
Well duh. It’s China.
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CovidBorn Apr 23, 2026 -2
You know what. China doesn’t care. The US kills school children for its own goals. China won’t sweat over intellectual property of the US billionaires.
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Kanthalas Apr 24, 2026 +1
China has been stealing technology as a job for the past 30 years. Edit: I will say they are now the tech leaders in a few fields as investments in western countries have waned. Like batteries.
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thelandofcockaigne Apr 24, 2026 -4
The USA is an unfathomably shitty country at the moment.
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Rechitt Apr 24, 2026 -3
Not shitty. Just very very oily. Greasy in fact but quite oily.
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Commercial-Lack6279 Apr 23, 2026 -2
I mean yeah China basically held Apple hostage
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dattokyo Apr 23, 2026 -2
Lately on Listnook there's this "interesting" trend that whenever China gets mentioned in a negative way, a huge amount of comments flood in and try to turn the news story to be about the US instead. Just sayin'.
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Icy-Scarcity Apr 24, 2026 +3
Those negative views/comments are usually coming from the US administration and their supporters. Their hypocrisy is tempting everyone to point it out. It also doesn't help when many people don't have a favorable view of the current American administration.
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Zahkrosis Apr 23, 2026 -2
Do I support this if true? My answer is: did the price if consumer components increase to a ridiculously high number? (Y/N)
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ohiotechie Apr 24, 2026 -2
After agreeing to sell China AI chips. Make it make sense.
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ClownMorty Apr 23, 2026 -5
I love how Trump offered them all this tech after decades of history of China stealing designs and is now Pikachu faced as they, very predictably, stole the tech. Once again, our administration is a bunch of donkey brained men.
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J-the-Kidder Apr 23, 2026 -13
Uh yeah, that's what they do. They steal ALL intellectual property and technology.
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Chemical-Swing-420 Apr 24, 2026 -8
China never innovates...they just steal and undercut.
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themeanreds1 Apr 24, 2026 -3
Too bad the US lets them rather than build better counterintelligence measures to prevent such theft
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