What happened??? I'm talking about all aspects of the broadcast and streaming experience. It's miserable.
\- 'Live TV' - OTA and broadcast are thoroughly conflated on many modern televisions, leaving users confused about the simple matter of what's on when and where.
\- The crappy 'guide' situation with cable providers is a hot mess; too many channels for the endless-scroll format and typically devoid of filter or search abilities.
\- The switch to digital broadcast didn't just destroy signal reception, it made mindless channel surfing impossible. The tuning lag between channel changes makes the proposition untenable.
\- Why don't modern remotes have a '.' on them? There's no way to simply enter a direct OTA channel number on any remote that I've seen. This is inexcusable.
\- The rise of smart TV's has not gone well. Every tv that's more than 3-4 years old (and even many brand new ones) exhibits laggy, cumbersome navigation. Roku, Google, and others push out constant updates with little regard for devices that they've already sold. They apparently don't want to be bothered managing multiple code bases so they push their latest bloatware out to everything and drive sales by making 3-year-old devices functionally obsolete.
\- You can't turn your tv off anymore and just go back to where you were when you return. I think this is universally true across all smart tv's but I can't say for sure. This is insanely annoying when you're watching a movie or show and have to stop in the middle. When you come back to it later, rather than having some kind of 'resume' feature on the home screen or, you know, just picking up where you left off, you get to navigate through search menus and a sea of advertisements for the same thing you've already paid for on every service other than the one you actually chose.
I'm sure plenty of people have griped about this stuff already. I'm sure that I sound cranky and old. However, the user experience of modern 'televisions' seems objectively broken. This, ccoming from a technology advocate - someone who adopted smart tv early and who once had high hopes for the future of the medium. Not so much anymore.
I prefer modern television to Listnook threads about modern television
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iamathing_iamxApr 18, 2026
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Yet, here you are ;) Pickle.
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Jealous-Stock715Apr 18, 2026
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Your post title makes no sense.
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iamathing_iamxApr 18, 2026
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I agree. Autocowrecked.
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Jealous-Stock715Apr 18, 2026
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If only there was an option to read what you typed before clicking submit. Damn Listnook needs to add that option. 🙄
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iamathing_iamxApr 18, 2026
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Love the snark. Thanks for that!
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vibe4itApr 18, 2026
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Yes. Responding to thread, as we do
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urgasmicApr 18, 2026
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i feel like none of this really applies to me, how interesting that we watch tv so differently.
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fire_and_spice24Apr 18, 2026
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I'm confused on your last point.
Basically every streaming service I have has a "Resume Watching" at the very top when you log back into your profile with the list of the shows/movies you've been watching. I can usually get to that in like 3 to 4 clicks from the moment I turn on the tv without ads (unless there is one at the start of the show/movie).
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ChainLCApr 18, 2026
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you want to go back to 3 or 4 networks only?
also "The switch to digital broadcast didn't just destroy signal reception, it made mindless channel surfing impossible."
lol what? digital doesn't destroy broadcast signal reception. and is mindless channel surfing a good thing? we have the internet for that.
as for finding stuff it's as easy as "hey google play the latest episode of (your favorite show here)"
most of the guides have a way to select favorites, group by genre, time, channel.
take the time to customize your guide. remove channels you never watch.
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iamathing_iamxApr 18, 2026
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Digital absolutely impacts signal reception. There's a capture effect that makes reception an all or nothing proposition. Instead of a bit of static in the image, the whole thing cuts out with a slightly marginal signal.
As for taking the time to customize the guide and using the internet, I think we'll have to agree to disagree because It's say that you got that backwards. If I want to customize anything or engage in any kind of technical pursuit, I pull up a browser. TV used to be a mindless endeavor (which is the underlying point in my original message). Now, it requires customization, navigation across a sea of options (most requiring yet another set of account credentials), and relatively complex navigation.
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ChainLCApr 18, 2026
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oh so you like ghosting and snow and fading in and out? buy a better antenna or amp.
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iamathing_iamxApr 18, 2026
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You seem to be taking an extreme position for the sake argument. What I'm saying is that, if the signal is slightly marginal (not horrible) you get a little bit of static with an analog signal. It's still totally watchable and your mind filters out the noise. You don't even notice it after a bit. With digital, the whole of the video and audio just cut out entirely.
Even when you had a particularly dodgy analog signal, you could usually still hear the audio just fine and you'd be able to maintain some continuity of experience. Not so with digital.
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ChainLCApr 18, 2026
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I'm taking an extreme position? lol whatever. and before you think I'm not of the pre-cable ,pre digital era I was born in 1960. before most people had color tv and if they did there was nothing in color on. I remember shows changing from b&W to color. So it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about. Even living in the city we had reception problems with rabbit ears always having to be "adjusted" depending on the channel.
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iamathing_iamxApr 18, 2026
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I'm not saying it was perfect and I'll grant you that we tend to romanticize the past, which I may be doing a little.
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longjumpingtote6 days ago
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The only reason OTA still exists is that the government forced them to do it. OTA wasn't reliable and it benefitted the wealthy over the poor. That's why cable took off all over the country, it began to equalize different areas, especially with more news and local programming. My *state capital* didn't even get cable until the mid-to-late 1980s. But it changed everything, for the better. When you've been through everything getting better, one step at a time, the thought of going backwards to basically the 1980s again sounds weird.
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huuaaangApr 18, 2026
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I haven’t watched broadcast TV in years. Channel surfing was only because I hated ads so much. Now i only stream without ads and it’s such wildly better experience. Streaming content is also worlds better in quality.
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longjumpingtoteApr 18, 2026
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I'm old, and even I haven't looked at a "guide" in ~~years~~ decades.
OTA has about a 16% adoption rate in the US. It doesn't work for a LOT of people, and it requires a stupid looking antenna. Hiding the antenna somehow makes the reception go crazy.
> You can't turn your tv off anymore and just go back to where you were when you return
You couldn't when I was growing up. Not sure what you're talking about. Live TV is, well, live. The station can't rebroadcast it just for you. That's why Tivo was invented! Smart TVs can't just record every channel (or even one channel) but there are apps/services that can. This is like saying, "I'm listening to the radio, and then after school when I get back in the car, it's a different song!"
> I'm sure plenty of people have griped about this stuff already.
Not really. But I've never used a smart TV. Their OS's are perfunctory. You need a device that is intended for what you want to do.
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iamathing_iamxApr 18, 2026
That's actually probably part of my problem... I seem to only come across smart tv's anymore and the experience is far from optimal. I honestly can't remember the last time I sat down in front of something that didn't involve profiles, logins, and an abundance of menus and sub-menus. Do they still make tv's without all of this stuff?
As far as not being able to go back to what you were watching... when I was younger, there was a cable box, you got 20-80 channels. When you turned off the TV and then turned it back on, you were right where you left off. If you had put the tv on channel 3 to use the VCR, it was still in the same place when you got back and you just hit play to resume.
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longjumpingtote6 days ago
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> Do they still make tv's without all of this stuff?
My TV may or may not have that stuff, I don't even know. It's an LG 4K OLED, I just use the HDMI input. My TV never once asks me anything. I never type in passwords either. Netflix just works, everything just works. That's on the AppleTV device.
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fire_and_spice24Apr 18, 2026
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You were on the same channel, which would be showing something different. You’re describing something that has less to do with television and more to do with watching VHS.
And I definitely prefer streaming to VHS
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BoredTVEngineer3 days ago
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I was around in the 60’s as well, I was a child. B&W TV, and waiting for Color TV.
4 whole channels. Things evolved to meet consumer demands/expectations.
Guess what?
ALL TV is a for profit industry directly driven by customer choice. If it’s not what you want it to be make a choice to change it with your TV dollars.
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dabocxApr 18, 2026
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Every streaming service starts the show where you left it if you go back to it. I’m not sure I understand your complaint
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SocialWinkerApr 18, 2026
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I think the complaint is that you can’t just turn the tv on and hit play again. You need to re-open the app, select your profile, and find the show again.
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fire_and_spice24Apr 18, 2026
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But he's talking about stopping in the middle of a show or movie.
A TV would just go back to lived TV. It wouldn't save your spot. Anything else you'd have to do a few steps to get back to your spot.
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SocialWinkerApr 18, 2026
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Yeah, I guess. My mind went to turning off the TV while I was watching a DVD. If I turned the TV back on, it would just bring up where I paused the DVD. But, yeah, that wouldn’t work with live TV, obviously.
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fire_and_spice24Apr 18, 2026
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I'm fairly sure my DVD player would automatically turn off so that didn't even work for me.
So I haven't had that since VHS.
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SocialWinkerApr 18, 2026
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I don’t think mine would turn itself off, but it’s been a long time now since I had a standalone DVD player. Or any kind of VHS player, tbh.
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