I was sat watching the boys and I realised I dont even think 'i can't wait to see how it ends' anymore,
I find myself crossing my fingers that the ending isn't hideously bad 🤣
What bad ending annoyed you the most?
Because it's easy to write intrigue and hard to pay it off.
You don't have to have compelling answers to write compelling questions.
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benoxxxx6 days ago
+14
And, for the clearest demonstration of this, see: Lost.
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moal096 days ago
+5
Or the Black List, which jumped the shark completely
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TheHammerToes5 days ago
+1
BULLshit ending
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T-90AK6 days ago
+4
Or Sherlock.
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ClownQuestionBrosef6 days ago
+2
Lost is also a great example of network executives trying to squeeze every ounce of profit out of a successful product. Lost was supposed to be a tighter plot and shorter story than it ended up bejng: Executives had the creators add extra shit to the story to bump up the episode count. That's where a lot of the excess flashbacks (remember Jack's tattoos?) and whatnot came from.
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crossedstaves6 days ago
+1
I feel like there was a specific period of broadcast television where they wanted to be highly serialized stories that built a following and kept people coming back wanting answers, but they were still broadcast TV shows that had 25 episode seasons and wanted to keep going for as many seasons as they could wring out of them and so never had a coherent structure set up to build towards an ending.
I feel like X-Files was a strong precursor as it did build up an long ongoing narrative that was about a conspiracy that the writers didn't have specific intentions for, hadn't planned out, but which built up a dedicated fan base obsessing over, looking for clues to answers that hadn't even been written. The x-files did have a compelling episodic structure running in parallel to that as well though.
But building into the era of real prestige television there was so much attempt to capture buzz and intrigue for shows that ultimately the broadcast TV model just could not support.
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kuhpunkt5 days ago
+1
> And, for the clearest demonstration of this, see: Lost.
How so?
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timekilr6 days ago
-12
This makes me laugh every time I think of it because the 'it was all a dream' thing was how I used to finish my homework in English if I couldn't think of an ending to my story 🤣
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ClownQuestionBrosef6 days ago
+11
Brother... It wasn't all a dream. Everything that happened on the island, happened.
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timekilr6 days ago
-3
I thought everything that happened was supposed to be Jack hallucinating while he was dying from the plane crash. Was it not?
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NatrixHasYou6 days ago
+4
They literally, explicitly say I'm the finale that everything that happened on the island actually happened. Christian Shepherd is practically looking in the camera and talking directly to the audience when he does it. They couldn't have made it more clear, and for some reason people still repeat this as if it's true.
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timekilr6 days ago
I had no recollection of this scene at all, I've just looked it up and yep. Pretty obvious. This clearly went right over my head at the time and I've never rewatched.
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ClownQuestionBrosef6 days ago
+2
No. In the finale, >!Jack's dad even says something to the effect of "everything that's ever happened to you is real"!<.
The only part of the show that doesn't actually "happen" is the >!flash sideways in season 6!<
Lost didn't have the best ending ever and they left a lot unanswered, but audiences missing or misunderstanding major plot beats gives the ending a way worse reputation than it deserves. (This is not directed at you, it's just a long held, general, opinion of mine.)
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timekilr6 days ago
+1
Oh. Obviously I'm just stupid 🤣 I have to give it a rewatch now.
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ClownQuestionBrosef6 days ago
+1
Nah, you're not stupid. Or I'm not jumping to that conclusion lol. It's a show with a lot of moving pieces, some admittedly unnecessary complexity, and timey wimey stuff mixed in.
I really enjoyed the show, but I've rewatched it a few times and each tkme I've found little things I missed. I 100% admit I'm biased and like it despite its flaws (or, to some degree, I like it because it's not entirely perfect).
Go in expecting a lot of great stuff, and a fair bit of imperfection... Hope you enjoy the rewatch!
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kuhpunkt5 days ago
+1
They left a lot unanswered?
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ClownQuestionBrosef5 days ago
+1
Stuff I'm curious about, anyway. Not many that materially impact the story, though. >!Walt's powers, what were the Charles/Ben rules, why were Hugo's numbers on the hatch and the code for the computer, etc!<
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kuhpunkt5 days ago
+1
>!What about Walt's powers? And the rules... seems more like an honor code. The numbers on the hatch were a serial code. How is that like an unanswered thing?!<
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ClownQuestionBrosef5 days ago
+1
>!Was it just a coincidence then that the numbers ended up being Hugo's l****** numbers? Re: Walt and the other "special" people, I just wanted to know more about why they were special, chosen, etc. Just curiosities. Not plot breakers in most cases.!<
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kuhpunkt5 days ago
+2
Jesus Christ...
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mrwho9956 days ago
+2
This is the main reason for sure. The standard excuse given by insiders after an ending flops of "you can't please everyone" and "everyone has a different idea of how a show shuold end" also does have some validity to it though, and does make an ending even harder to pull off.
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kuhpunkt5 days ago
+1
> You don't have to have compelling answers to write compelling questions.
Not every show is a mystery show...
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crossedstaves5 days ago
+2
Not every question is a mystery.
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drainfrog_926 days ago
+1
Exactly, mystery is c****, payoff is expensive. It’s like buying a cool puzzle then realizing half the pieces are missing. More writers should outline their endings first.
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egoVirus6 days ago
+13
B/c they rarely have control over when they end.
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timekilr6 days ago
+2
Yeah the ones that get cancelled or have don't get renewed and have to end before they were planning get a free pass. I mean the ones that just ended badly due to the writing.
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egoVirus6 days ago
+1
An impossible task. Maybe Futurama got it right, before they fuqt it up 😂
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OrangeVoxel5 days ago
+1
Today’s business model for television is to run it as long as people will watch, then end it suddenly when viewership goes down. The show isn’t written in advance.
Or if it’s a show on Netflix, it has to be really outstanding to get a third season.
It seems like short series are more common these days, which leads to a more consistent product and experience.
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egoVirus5 days ago
+1
I’m all for short series, tbh. It takes courage to put a pin in a show and say “that’s it!”
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CaptHayfever5 days ago
+1
That's exactly the answer. Most shows either get cancelled before the writers were ready (and usually with very short notice, at that) or get renewed past what the writers intended.
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DaKingaDaNorth6 days ago
+21
It's much easier to set up a premise than to architect a story and build to a payoff that satisfied everyone. Plus writers tend to care more about thematic payoff and fans tend to care more about plot payoff.
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Simmers4296 days ago
+5
Even with a plan, writers may fall out of love with the end points as they write more and more.
Easy to say "and then they die" when planning, much harder to do so if you've written the show for 7 years, like the character, and will also be taking an actor (you may know personally) out of a job.
Like in Game of Thrones when Jon Snow went beyond the Wall with a bunch of randoms. Everyone except him could've died with no effect on the story, but the actors and showrunners all seemed tight so they may have just plot-armoured everyone for that reason.
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nedlum6 days ago
+2
That’s a good point. *Lost* I think was split between fans who loved the resolution that all sins were been atoned for, and all these characters we’d loved had reunited in the bardo, waiting to see what happened next, and people who still wanted to know who had dropped the care package in Season 2 if the Dharma Initiative was long gone and nobody knew where the island was.
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kendraro6 days ago
-1
I have watched a lot of tv in my time, Lost is the one show that I am still annoyed to have wasted my time on.
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kuhpunkt5 days ago
+1
Why?
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TheeAmateurArtist6 days ago
+7
Hated Ozark ending. I stared at a dark screen for 2 minutes mad.
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deadbandit196 days ago
+3
There's been much worse
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Morgus_Magnificent6 days ago
+1
Yeah, I don't even consider the Ozark ending bad. It made sense to me.
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HLOFRND6 days ago
+6
(If you're looking for a show with an unbelievably satisfying ending, try Mr. Robot.)
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MrGabrahamLincoln6 days ago
+5
There are tons. Black Sails, Breaking Bad, The Wire, Andor, Justified, etc. People just tend to remember the disasters (GoT, Stranger Things more recently) & think it’s more common than not for shows to end terribly.
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HankSteakfist3 days ago
+1
Was Stranger Things really that bad? Sure, it wasn't the best season, but it definitely didn't shit the bed.
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HankSteakfist3 days ago
+1
Add Mr. Inbetween to that list. Three seasons of perfection that ended right not too early and not too late.
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OrlandoGardiner1186 days ago
+6
Nailing the landing is just about the hardest thing to do in any endeavour and writing TV shows is no different.
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Experiment3280956 days ago
+6
Writing is difficult, sticking the landing in a satisfying way is even more difficult
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timekilr6 days ago
+1
Yeah I get that but it's not like the ending are just not great, half the time the ending is so bad you feel like you've wasted your time watching in the first place. Like the ending of the umbrella academy.
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DiTrastevere6 days ago
+5
I think a huge driver of this is showrunner paranoia over social media speculation.
It used to be easy for writers and directors to stay fairly insulated from fan chatter. Now? Every fan theory that gains even a modicum of attention/consensus reaches their eyeballs in minutes. They are *so aware* of what people are saying, and *so worried* that people will guess all of the plot points they have planned, that they change things on the fly based on audience feedback.
Shows that don’t start with a planned ending are especially vulnerable to this. Not every writer’s room has the whole arc already mapped out. They want to let the plot and characters evolve without a destination, and they want the audience to be taken by surprise by the direction the story takes. If the audience is 3 steps ahead of them, they feel like they *have* to subvert those expectations to keep them interested and watching.
I suspect a number of network executives firmly believe that a predictable ending is the same as a bad ending. And that belief is putting downward pressure on the people who are actually making these shows.
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timekilr6 days ago
+1
Yeah this is a good take. I feel like this was definitely at play with the duffer brothers and stranger things.
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DiTrastevere6 days ago
+3
Mystery thrillers are *very* susceptible to this. Keeping the audience in the dark is the entire point of these stories, and it’s practically impossible to even pretend you’re doing that when there are always at least a few people who make it their life’s mission to figure out what will happen next and/or poke holes in your carefully crafted plots.
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Experiment3280955 days ago
+1
I know, it’s just a basic fact though. We’re fairly spoiled as consumers because we have so many examples of it being done perfectly - but writing a compelling story with compelling characters is extremely difficult. Tying up said story in a compelling, satisfying way is even more difficult.
If you fail to look at these shows as a whole and write them off due to an unsatisfactory (or even downright awful *cough GoT) ending you kinda rob yourself of all the stuff you loved that kept you coming back.
Creativity isn’t a factory setting, it’s a process, there’s no way of knowing how something will land until it lands.
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ShoutOutTo_Caboose6 days ago
+6
I think there is something fundamentally difficult about making a good ending to a TV series simply because the creative process is continuously ongoing as the show airs. Unlike a movie where you can take everyone's input and create a final work that satisfies most, or all, of those involved, a TV series has different seasons with different writers, showrunners, directors, executive producers. I imagine that lack of continuity makes it difficult to end a story well.
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SDLRob6 days ago
+3
I think it's a mixture of fans overhyping themselves into expecting something different to what they get.... And sometimes shows having to wrap up big stories quickly as they've been given the heave ho.
Two of the most annoying for me are Stargate Atlantis and Legends of Tomorrow.
Atlantis because they had a 2 part cliffhanger story they set up to span seasons and SyFy cancelled it and didn't let them have an extra episode to finish the story, so everything was rushed into one episode.
Legends of tomorrow because they left it on a cliffhanger that was never resolved in any of the other shows.
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LittleYellowFish16 days ago
+3
It often happens that the creator of the show envisions how they want it to end from the very beginning. But when the show runs for multiple seasons and naturally changes over time (relationship developments, long-terms arcs, new characters and storylines, etc) the ending they'd originally planned back in S1 no longer works for it, yet they just use it anyway with no regard for that.
*Ted Lasso* is probably the most recent one that springs to mind in that case.
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JohnnyFootballStar6 days ago
+3
Part of it is that writing is hard. Setting up mysteries is easy, but solving them in a compelling way is much tougher.
Another part of it is that TV is a medium in which you write stories over the course of years, often without knowing exactly when the end will come or when an actor is going to become unavailable.
You also have to get people hooked right away, which incentivizes creating a lot of tension, drama, and intrigue immediately so you get viewers and get renewed. When you write a book or a movie, typically someone buys the whole thing at once. They usually don't have the option of paying per chapter and choosing to bail if they aren't drawn in (or if they bail, they already spent their money, so it isn't a huge loss).
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dmk_aus6 days ago
+3
TV shows often don't get to choose how many episodes they have, they risk every season being the last, so they may be ending earlier or later than planned and some start with no plan. Some plans get ruined by budgets or actors quitting.
So building a series of interweaving storyline designed to all crescendo at the same time to beautifully resolve into a well orchestrated finale is difficult.
Well seasoned and regularly hired writers are the ones who can churn out those near stand alone entertaining episodes that have a mere hint at an over-arching plot.
And if you have a BBEG. Do you diminish every season/season finale from all but the ultimate season by excluding a battle with the BBEG. Do you have a lesser evil to defeat each finale. A cliffhanger. Does the BBEG win every prior season?
Plus, do you make the finale the relatively predictable "baddy defeated, good mostly win, some emotional loss" which is what people mostly want, but will also feel obvious. Or do you go with "subverted expectations" and have the baddies win (never happens) or do you have the one that occasionally happens "everything the heroes work for was a lie, they have been misled and puppeted, and at the last minute the real goal changes" - and that diminishes all previous seasons. Or the worst of all, the 1st grader story twist "it was all a dream, simulation, alternate timeline, hallucination, "purgatory"" and it was essentially a meaningless story.
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timekilr6 days ago
+1
I feel like way more shows get cancelled now with netflix just deciding to dump one show to make another as opposed to years ago when shows got cancelled because of low views. Like it's annoying that mindhunter didn't get another season but Id rather it end like than have an episode thrown together where they attempt to tie up all the loose ends.
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dmk_aus6 days ago
+3
The lack of knowledge about a next season also stifles the process. So a show that gets extended 5 to 10 times, and only finds out whilst a season is airing that they have budget for the next season. But the original story may not last that long. Or they may be scared to leave anything major unresolved in each season.
So getting cut short casues issues. But so does trying the make the 7th season of a show that's story was going to naturally resolve in 2 seasons.
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timekilr6 days ago
+1
Imo it should end where the creator has planned to end even if they get offered a new season/seasons. The shows that set out to have say 3 seasons and stick to that are often better than the ones that keep getting renewed until people lose interest. Obviously that doesn't happen very often especially if the show ends up being a huge hit and makes a ton of money.
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vocal-avocado6 days ago
+8
Game of Thrones for sure.
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Not_Cleaver6 days ago
+5
They kinda forgot how to write.
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DiTrastevere6 days ago
Themes are for 8th grade book reports.
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Not_Cleaver6 days ago
+4
Writers who use subtext are cowards.
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DiTrastevere6 days ago
+1
I’m not still mad about this. I am not.
Oh hi Mark.
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Not_Cleaver6 days ago
+3
I’m quoting the great Garth Marenghi who has written more books than he’s read.
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nobot43216 days ago
You have to keep things interesting by completely destroying the characters you spent 80% of the time building in the last 20% of the story. That’s good writing.
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DiTrastevere6 days ago
+1
No you don’t understand, the one thing audiences *weren’t* expecting was for all of the characters to get approximately 62% dumber all at once, that means it was a good writing decision
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MappleStarsSky6 days ago
+4
The writer had unlimited time and money and couldn' t even write an ending in 16 years from the release of the last book.
Honestly at this point I feel like the fault was actually on GRMM than on the showrunners, can you immagine those showrunners costantly asking Martin for the books but he keeps procastinating, and then discovering he was working on Elden Ring instead of the series he became famous for lol?
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KTOWNTHROWAWAY90015 days ago
+2
I saw a listnook joke that said it's just as, if not more plausible he simply found the books in a shed in NJ
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moal096 days ago
+1
He gave them the outline though. They didn't want to follow it.
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mrwho9956 days ago
+3
I mean, they kind of did follow his outline - or at least the evidence suggests they hit the rough endgame GRRM had told them about. The issue was that they dismally failed to set up said endgame, the way they got there (presumably with no real outline from GRRM) was atrocious, and instead of pivoting after they failed to set up the endgame they just did it anyway, resulting in utter nonsense.
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MappleStarsSky6 days ago
+3
Nono, they did follow them. The writer of the production book "Fire cannot kill a dragon" confirmed that they stuck to the outline as much as they could, and crew members at the time of airing on ASOIAF forums were also saying that D&D were very respetful of Martin imput while also being realistic in producing a yearly show.
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moal096 days ago
+2
Didn't Martin get into a big argument with them about Lady Stoneheart being cut 'cause he said she was super important to the plot.
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MappleStarsSky6 days ago
+1
It was rumored and I think it' s right, but also...I really wish I could actually see Martin point about her, because in the books right now she' s just doing nothing and ends on a semi-cliffhanger with her involved lol.
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staedtler20185 days ago
+1
Yeah he seems to think everything is massively important. That partly explains why he hasn't finished the books.
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Toby_O_Notoby5 days ago
+1
You know who else can't follow the outline? GRRM.
As OP said he knows where to story is going, doesn't have to worry about things like production budgets, can literally write anything he f****** wants and it's been sixteen years of f****** nothing.
I more and more start to think there isn't a way to get to that ending. Or at least not a satisfying one cause if there was he would have been able to write it by now.
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moal095 days ago
+2
The thing is, HBO was willing to give them a blank cheque and 3 more seasons. D&D said no 'cause they wanted to go and work on Star Wars.
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Toby_O_Notoby5 days ago
+3
There have also been multiple quotes from the actors and crew saying they were exhausted, done and couldn’t go on. Kit Harrington in particular said he was done and couldn’t do another season. So good luck doing three more seasons without your lead.
Which also doesn’t change the fact that GRRM has had this “outline” for 16 years and hasn’t produced jack shit. Again, if this ending was achievable, it begs the question why George hasn’t written it yet.
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staedtler20185 days ago
+2
The 'Star Wars' thing is people acting like D&D is their dad who ran off with the secretary.
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staedtler20185 days ago
+1
I can imagine a better written version of the Game of Thrones ending, but I suspect a lot of people would have still hated it.
Ultimately you're asking people to spend years of their lives watching a grim and depressing story, and instead of paying it off with a cathartic release, you give them an ending that is also grim and depressing.
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ShadyCrow6 days ago
Easy for him to say that now.
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Wrong-Vermicelli47236 days ago
+2
I mean he said that when the season came out lol
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MappleStarsSky6 days ago
+2
Crew members of the staff have said that they did follow it thoo, it' s just that expecting them to do 13 seasons was insane, expecially when the crew had passed over a decade working on the show, and everyone, crew members and actors together, wanted to move on.
At one point he even asked for the show to be put on hiatus for 5 years and film prequels, to give him time to write the books, and idk man, even now we still don' t have them lol.
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T-90AK6 days ago
-3
Sure, it's easy to say, but still don't make it any less true.
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ShadyCrow6 days ago
+1
I’m saying we don’t know if it’s true. GRRM has lied a lot about what he’s written and what his plan was.
I’m sure the truth is somewhere in the middle but if everyone loved the ending I feel like he’d be claiming it was his plan all along.
I think the big strokes are exactly what he told them his plan was. It’s why he famously asked them the one question when he first met with them about making the show.
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T-90AK6 days ago
+1
But we do know? Because GRRM wasn't involved in those seasons.
You just have to look at the credits.
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mrwho9956 days ago
They're both to blame. GRRM for failing to keep up his end of the bargain, yes, but he didn't force D&D to write so atrociously. The issue wasn't how things ended up but how we got there.
They had diverted massively from the books even before they ran out of source material, so the idea that they had to stick to GRRM's outline makes no sense to me. They had already ignored the source material so much, but then they had to slavishly follow a vague outline that made no sense for the show's version of the story and characters? Why? Their writing would have sucked regardless probably, but it probably would have been better if they had just told their own version of the story instead of randomly deciding to be faithful to a vague outline when they weren't faithful to the actual books.
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MappleStarsSky6 days ago
+2
Have you atually read the books? The reason Martin couldn' t write an ending is because he basicaly wrote himself into a corner with all of those plotlines...I was there when he had promised that The winds of winters would have released next year, in 2012, and that he had cut the climax of ADWD to make it easier to write the sequel (lol). He has lied a lot throught the years about his process or what he was doing.
If this was what he was saying in pubblic, I don' t know what he was saying to the showrunners in private lol.
Also, D&D always said they wanted to be faithful to Martin, as Martin had agreed to the adaptation if they respected his work, and people behind the production and crew members have said that the final episodes are much closer to the outline given by Martin than what people actually think it was.
IIRC in one of the commentaries they even asked Martin to come back to write in S6, but he said he was too focused on the books to help.
So idk man, I don' t think D&D are blameless, but the more I read and study about behind the scenes, the more I feel sorry for them lol.
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mrwho9956 days ago
Not sure if you saw the final version of my comment before hitting send, but yeah I read the books. I've been following things closely since around the time you mention, and I think I addressed most of your points in the bits I edited before you replied.
I completely agree with you that Martin wrote himself into a corner, and Feast/Dance were pretty much unadaptable, but regardless they made a lot of questionable changes. My core point is that D&D already weren't faithful to the books, and they clearly couldn't get GRRM's outline to work for the show, so given that they weren't being faithful anyway they should have just done their own thing. It probably still would have been bad (the whole Night King story is exclusively show-only and terrible, for example), but it wouldn't have been as bad as the complete character and narrative U-turns of the final three episodes as they desperately tried to ham-fist GRRM's ending. The key problem is they took GRRM's vague ending but dismally failed to set it up at all.
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MappleStarsSky6 days ago
+1
I don' t want to make it strictly a discussion about quality of the final product, because I feel like the discussion would end on the same point we both agree upon ahah.
I' m more interested into analyzing how it did happen, and seeing all of the elements together, for me it' s very hard to blame the final showrunners. They did their jobs, the one that didn' t was GRRM. I still don' t know why he even accepted the Elden Ring gig, when he should have been writing the books, as Martin said he worked on it during 2017-2018 lol.
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eastbayted6 days ago
+5
How I Met Your Mother is up there.
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jorbalugo6 days ago
+2
No lie, on two separate occasions (back around when the finale aired) friends and I were discussing how much we hated the ending and strangers who overheard us felt compelled to chime in and agree. It really struck a nerve.
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timekilr6 days ago
+2
I have never rewatched because the ending irritated me so much.
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Quick-Context74926 days ago
+2
Hard to beat Dexter or Game of Thrones. X files was also terrible but less annoying
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HankSteakfist3 days ago
+1
X-Files' problem was that the show was building to something that needed the budget and visual effects of ID4 to pull off.
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deadbandit196 days ago
+2
Recently, From. Garbage after I loved the premise and story.
I can think of 20 different shows that are still running, I guess they still have time to not END terribly, but seasoning finales were terrible
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notacute6 days ago
+2
From isn’t over yet though…
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deadbandit196 days ago
+1
Well I'll be, I thought it was over
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off_by_two6 days ago
+2
I think there is a decent chance the boys ends decently, they’ve known for a long time this would be the last season.
Seems like a lot of shows dont know the last season really is the last until fairly late or its not their choice idk. Anyways, as long as Homelander gets a real good comeuppance i’ll be satisfied lol
I think probably Sopranos ending annoyed me the absolute most. To the point it numbed me to an extent to decades of mid to bad show endings
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horizoncalls6 days ago
+2
I think it’s funny that in the season 5 finale of Supernatural, the narration by Chuck says outright that anyone can write a beginning, but endings are the hard part. Then that show ran into the ground for ten more years.
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timekilr6 days ago
+1
I stopped watching this and was shocked when I saw that it was ending because I thought It finished years before 🤣 I lost interest so much I didn't even look up how it ended either
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LowBalance44046 days ago
+2
I think writers paint themselves into a corner and there is no way out, which leads to a bad ending.
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Cascadevon5 days ago
+1
It's really difficult to write consistently well over the course of many years for that many episodes, especially as a lot of your best ideas inevitably get used up by s3 or so. The longer the show goes on, the more it just becomes a stable paycheck for the cast and crew rather than a labour of love. With that many people involved, you get behind-the-scenes drama, studio medalling etc. that all result in a decline in quality of time.
So therefore, the few shows that stick the landing tend to be on the shorter side, have a succinct main idea, while being decently plotted out in advance.
But the vast majority of TV shows ever aired were done with the mindset of keeping them on as long as it's pulling high ratings and therefore remaining desirable to advertisers. Ergo, the hope tends to be is that the ending works for the characters you've come to know and love rather than answering every question ever posed in the show.
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staedtler20185 days ago
+1
Do they? I think most shows have good endings.
A separate issue is that most shows just get worse over time.
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meatball775 days ago
+1
Shows seem to either end too early or run to long. It's only when a showrunner has a plan from the start for the series with a specific number of seasons that things seem to work.
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kuhpunkt5 days ago
+1
Breaking Bad would like to have a word with you...
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djkhan236 days ago
Let me hit you with a different line of thinking.
So you think of terrible endings like GOT but was it really a terrible ending or a continuation of the poor quality of the final season?
Because even though I liked the first 2 episodes and thought The Long Night was a cool event episode, episode 4 of GOT season 8 was the point where you knew you were watching poor trash.
Usually bad final seasons have had endings because they're already bad!
I'm thinking of Dexter, Oz, and The 100 of other examples I've seen.
More rare to have a bad final season and great ending. I'm thinking of Buffy and Lost.
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timekilr6 days ago
+1
Yeah game of thrones really dropped off in the last season. Like Seinfeld for example I really enjoyed, the last two episodes were awful imo. I do hate a compilation episode though 🤣
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WintersDoomsday6 days ago
-1
Because it doesn’t end how people want it to so they get mad and downvote equivalent it and people like lemmings jump on the hating bandwagon. For example Ted Lasso.
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SirJohnCard6 days ago
-2
Writers aren't writing tv to complete a logical and coherent story. And at this point, they are writing for viral memes and for the immediate buzz and clicks.
As Lost was wrapping up, I knew the ending would suck and was still disappointed.
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kuhpunkt5 days ago
+1
> As Lost was wrapping up, I knew the ending would suck and was still disappointed.
What's so bad about it?
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