>**When J.J. Abrams’ shingle Bad Robot revealed April 2 that it was shuttering its L.A. office, the news hit the industry like a thunderbolt.** But really, the company’s downsizing had been months in the making, foreshadowed by the $31 million sale of its creative office space in Santa Monica in the fall.
>“**They haven’t had anything of note in a while, and other movies weren’t using the facilities,**” a source tells The Hollywood Reporter. And it certainly puts a fine point on it that the company couched the move as part of a shift in focus to New York, where Abrams now resides while balancing a bicoastal work schedule. (Steven Spielberg, Abrams’ mentor, decamped to New York earlier this year.)
>**The prolific hitmaker founded Bad Robot in 1999**, and it grew along with the star power of the onetime wunderkind, who penned his first hit show in 1998. The company originally was set up at Touchstone TV, but when it moved into the Olympic Boulevard facility, **it was maturing into a busy key producer of TV series.** With such shows as **the seminal Lost, Fringe, Person of Interest and Westworld, there was always a Bad Robot show or two on air throughout the mid-aughts into the late 2010s.** That was coupled with Abrams’ rising career as an A-list feature filmmaker. **He helmed two Star Trek movies and two Star Wars movies** — no small feat — while also being involved as a producer on a trio of Mission: Impossible movies and the Cloverfield genre films.
>**But, despite a record-setting $250 million deal with WarnerMedia in 2019**, the 2020s were not salad days. **Lovecraft Country and Duster only lasted a season each. Other shows never got picked up.** And Abrams became mired in the protracted, and failed, development of the **original sci-fi drama Demimonde**, which would have been his first solo creation since Alias and for which **he had sought a budget north of $200 million.** **Bad Robot was to have produced some DC features, too, but those were shelved once DC Studios**, under James Gunn and Peter Safran, was created. **In 2024, Bad Robot’s Warners deal was extended for another two years but became a nonexclusive, first-look pact.**
No worries, Gracie will pull him through the rough times.
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ian9outof10Apr 8, 2026
+114
There won’t be tough times for that family. Wasn’t he from Hollywood money already?
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OldJames47Apr 8, 2026
+137
>Abrams was born on June 27, 1966, in [New York City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City), to veteran television producer [Gerald W. Abrams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_W._Abrams) (born 1939) of [Polish-Jewish](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland) descent and [Carol Ann Abrams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Ann_Abrams) (née Kelvin; 1942–2012), a [Peabody Award](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peabody_Awards) winning television executive producer as well as author and law academic.[^(\[4\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Abrams#cite_note-variety-4) His sister is the screenwriter Tracy Rosen. His father worked at [CBS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS) in [Midtown Manhattan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midtown_Manhattan) the year prior to Abrams's birth.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.\_J.\_Abrams#Early\_life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Abrams#Early_life)
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Navynuke00Apr 8, 2026
+72
That explains so much.
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ian9outof10Apr 8, 2026
+47
Yeah, he’s a legit nepo baby. The old school kind.
47
fakieTreFlipApr 9, 2026
+26
I mean, half of Hollywood is, it's nothing new
26
TubeScr3ameRApr 9, 2026
+9
Joss Whedon is 2nd or 3rd generation Hollywood too.
9
WretchedMonkeyApr 10, 2026
+5
Sex pests usually are
5
myassholealtApr 9, 2026
+1
Many industries are. Who you know opens many doors before you're ever asked what you know.
And if you know the right people, you won't even be asked that. You'll be allowed to learn on the job.
1
nighthawk_mdApr 9, 2026
+3
Ahh, so the Kelvin references are named after his mom, and not necessarily the scientist...
3
BadMantaRayApr 9, 2026
+9
Who is Gracie?
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ShipToWreckApr 9, 2026
+5
Gracie Abrams, B+ list singer/songwriter/girlfriend of Paul Mescal/nepo baby, who also happens to be J.J.’s daughter.
5
BadMantaRayApr 9, 2026
+1
Thank you
1
ScyllaOfTheDepthsApr 10, 2026
+1
She's nepo-ing as hard as she can!
1
Shepher27Apr 8, 2026
+686
I found the problem… his movies all sucked the last ten years
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FireVanGorderApr 8, 2026
+227
People realized he only had one trick. Sometimes it doesn’t matter how good you are at something if that’s the only thing you can do
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KhivaApr 8, 2026
+158
> People realized he only had one trick. Sometimes it doesn’t matter how good you are at something if that’s the only thing you can do
What's wild to me is that he went up on stage and literally explained _exactly how he's a shitty storyteller._ Which was filmed. And put on the internet.
I remember watching The Force Awakens, watching the shitty mystery boxes pile up, and think _oh this is going to suck so much isn't it._
Then people went wild with speculation about the mystery boxes like - **are seriously none of you paying any attention to this man's career??**
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PeteCampbellisaGApr 8, 2026
+113
I have no love for The Last Jedi but I always felt like JJ's mystery box approach set Rian Johnson up to fail. What are you supposed to do when the guy before you hands you a a bunch of questions with no clear path to answer or pay them off? The result sucked, but I don't blame Rian for throwing the whole thing out and going his own way.
Then they gave the reins back to JJ and it turns out even he didn't have answers to his damn questions.
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M0BBERApr 8, 2026
+79
Yeah, I'm going to blame that on the Star wars handlers. They should have that entire storyline locked down. George semi knew it... They should know exactly where it's going to be three films ahead before they shoot a scene.
Reminder that they shot the Lost two-episode pilot on the island with the plane crashed & had nothing else.
Had to write it on the spot. Had to call in comic book & Fiction writers to help draw it out because ABC ordered like seven seasons...
Sure that director can work with them, but they need to know where the damn story is going, the director can figure out how to drive there.
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davwad2Apr 8, 2026
+23
> ordered like seven seasons
Close, there were six seasons and that had to be negotiated after S3, IIRC. ABC definitely wanted to milk *LOST* for all of ad revenue it could. I don't think ABC ordered multiple seasons at once either.
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bros402Apr 8, 2026
+9
ABC ordered 4, 5, and 6 after the deal was negotiated in S3, I believe. Before that, it was season by season.
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fcocycloneApr 8, 2026
+8
>They should have that entire storyline locked down. George semi knew it... They should know exactly where it's going to be three films ahead before they shoot a scene.
Of course George didn't exactly do that for the original trilogy. They were making that whole thing up as they went along.
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iNsAnEHAV0CApr 8, 2026
+5
Agreed. But he was basically the head writer and created the whole thing. So he had a general idea of where the story could go. He had the main vision which other writers, producers, directors, etc helped get him there. Even the prequels have this to an albeit less polished extent.
The sequels needed a singular vision across the trilogy whether it be the director or some sort of showrunner type where they say "this is the story we are going to tell, I want my characters to go from here and end there."
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kuhpunktApr 8, 2026
+1
> Reminder that they shot the Lost two-episode pilot on the island with the plane crashed & had nothing else. Had to write it on the spot. Had to call in comic book & Fiction writers to help draw it out because ABC ordered like seven seasons...
What do you mean they had nothing else?
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DnashotgunApr 8, 2026
+27
Ppl bring up JJ and his mystery boxes when the punchline is he always passes it off to someone else and runs. TROS is like, the one time he had to solve his own damn mystery box and all he could come up with was "what if Return of the Jedi but worse"
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SkinnyGetLuckyApr 8, 2026
+35
“What if wrath of khan but worse”.
“What if a new hope, but worse”.
I hate this so much…
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KhivaApr 9, 2026
+11
_"Star Trek needs to be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine..."_
Someone is going to pull of JJ's mask and it will turn out he was Poochie the entire time.
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MetalBawxApr 8, 2026
+16
"What if Dark Empire comics but worse"
That's the entire sequel trilogy.
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Navynuke00Apr 8, 2026
+7
That reveal in the theater was almost enough to make me walk out.
7
clycomanApr 9, 2026
+5
They really needed to write the trilogy in advance and plan it out. Palpatine's return was only set up by Poe Dameron saying "somehow, Palpatine returned" and a Fortnight game audio. They didn't seed that story at all.
Finn also a secret he wanted to tell Rey but that didnt even happen. Such a waste of the actors and a popular franchise on c*** writing.
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KhivaApr 9, 2026
+5
> Finn also a secret he wanted to tell Rey but that didnt even happen
I love that. JJ loves mystery boxes with no payoff _so much_ that he put yet another no-payoff mystery box in the last movie in the series.
The man just can't help himself. He's put a mystery box with no payoff into a commercial somehow if he directed one.
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joecb91Apr 9, 2026
+3
When Maz said "a good question, for another time" in TFA, that sums up so much of the worst part of many things JJ was the writer for.
3
Silver-End9570Apr 9, 2026
+5
>Then they gave the reins back to JJ and it turns out even he didn't have answers to his damn questions
He's a questions guy. He's one of those people who's great at coming up with great questions/scenarios but he's awful at playing them out in a satisfying way. And he doesn't bother coming up with any answers because he fully expects the fans to do the work for him.
He's the laziest filmmaker who got lucky, made a few mid films, and drove two separate franchises into the ground with his actions. He should just focus on producing going forward.
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DrakengardApr 8, 2026
+12
> turns out even he didn't have answers to his damn questions.
Yeah, we kind of learned about that with LOST to a certain extent. Lindelof at least seems to do better when he's in control of the weird mysteries from the get go.
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EchoesofIllyriaApr 8, 2026
+13
JJ Abrams had very little involvement in Lost. The only mystery he was directly responsible for is the Hatch.
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amyknight22Apr 9, 2026
+5
I actually think that the thing that set things up to fail the most was the luke reveal at the end of the force awakens.
Because
- It basically prevented any sort of story about actually getting to Luke.
- The context of the situation in which we found him, wasn't that he'd secretly gone to some world and was currently doing engaged in some heroic efforts that made the first order pale in comparison.
I don't mind The Last Jedi, as much as some hate it. But that's because I went into the series knowing that Hamil is old enough that he's going to probably be more Old Ben than anything else. And being satisfied with stuff that he did in the books as the more warrior luke.
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Barachiel1976Apr 9, 2026
+6
Nah, Rian has to accept a lot of the blame. We only have Leia saying Luke ran away to hide, if he didn't want to be found, why leave a map? There are several dumb JJ points he could have thrown aside like Luke's lightsaber if he wanted. He didn't.
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Summer_Chronicle8184Apr 8, 2026
+15
Obviously in retrospect Rian Johnson should've just been handed the whole sequel trilogy and it would've been 10x better
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PeteCampbellisaGApr 8, 2026
+11
At the very least it would have had a lot of interesting fresh ideas. I didn't really need to leave my house to see "A New(er) Hope" and "Return of the (Sort of) Jedi"
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JoeHatesFanFictionApr 8, 2026
+12
Honestly I agree with this take. The last Jedi has some big problems but it’s the best of the sequels. I’d be down for a trilogy that wanted to flip the traditional archetypes and story beats the series loves to follow. Most of the moments I enjoy in the sequel trilogy come from The Last Jedi.
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fcocycloneApr 8, 2026
+3
Even if not the whole trilogy, they should have just let Johnson run with the things he'd done in the 8th movie in the 9th movie instead of handing it back to Abrams.
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notathrowaway75Apr 8, 2026
+9
I mean a lot of questions are pretty open ended. Like what to do with the Knights of Ren isn't really complicated.
>What are you supposed to do when the guy before you hands you a a bunch of questions with no clear path to answer or pay them off?
Fans with zero screenwriting experience are able to come up with decent ideas. Why can't a professional writer being paid millions?
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Toby_O_NotobyApr 9, 2026
+11
Because he really put the "box" in "mystery box" with things like Luke. He wrote the TFA so it ends with Rey finding Luke in exile and handing him his lightsaber.
Ok, so the question that the next guy has to answer is "Why didn't Luke swing into action when the entire star systems are being destroyed, the fate of the galaxy is at stake and is friends like Han are dying?"
So the two answers are either (1) he didn't know what was happening or (2) he *did* know, but chose not to get involved. And because (1) is just weak storytelling you got to go with (2) which brings up why he made that choice.
And frankly, there aren't many good options to (2). One way would be he's just a coward which just sucks, so Rian went with "Luke has become dissillusioned with the entire thing" and he was crucified for it, even though it was pretty much JJ's fault.
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varnums1666Apr 9, 2026
+8
Yeah whenever I hear the "Well some fans made good concepts for Episodes 8 and 9," what they always forget to mention that "shit happening" isn't a good film. Do I want to see Luke Skywalker kick ass? Yeah but I need an interesting story surrounding it to exist first.
JJ Abrams set up the worst possible story with The Force Awakens. There are only so many ways the story could have played out at that point. There is no challenging question. You either need to repeat the OT but worse or just make fanservice slop that has no reason to exist outside of money.
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Act_of_GodApr 9, 2026
+2
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> Fans with zero screenwriting experience are able to come up with decent ideas.
are they?
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AffectionateKey7126Apr 9, 2026
+2
What is JJ supposed to do when there was no overall plan for the trilogy? He left things open ended for Rian and the only thing he really pigeon holed Rian with was the Luke reveal.
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notathrowaway75Apr 8, 2026
+12
I honestly never understood this point.
Good writers should be able to pick up a show or movie and do something with it. We've seen this with TV shows with new writers. Movie sequels with new writers. Hell, fan theories taking the show and making predictions that are more interesting than what actually happens.
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dapala1Apr 8, 2026
+3
You nailed it. They're not good writers. Being great at coming up with great ideas is different then actually writing the story.
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varnums1666Apr 9, 2026
+3
That TED talk is still so surreal to this day. JJ Abrams literally doesn't understand what good storytelling is so he invented the mystery box. The thought that a writer thought things out and creating a compelling narrative would naturally cause the audience to ask questions and speculate was beyond his comprehension.
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TomHicksJnrApr 8, 2026
+105
That trick : LENS FLAIR
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FireVanGorderApr 8, 2026
+63
Ok fair point, he’s got two tricks. Mystery box and lens flare.
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M0BBERApr 8, 2026
+25
Don't forget that sweet sweet nostalgia train. Oh you like Spielberg? Oh you like Star Trek? Oh you like Star Wars?
Besides alias, I can't think of a single thing he did that didn't fit that mold
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homesicklizardApr 8, 2026
+11
Fringe
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M0BBERApr 9, 2026
+7
Thank you, one of my favorite shows ever I forgot he was part of it
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amyknight22Apr 9, 2026
+4
Yeah, but he also really only wrote for it in the first season. Which admitdely set up some of the stuff. But I would argue the more interesting stuff that came later, probably came from the other writers.
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homesicklizardApr 9, 2026
+1
Totally forgot about it too until recently. Just finished a second watch all the way through with my girlfriend watching it with me for the first time. I loved it all over again, she loved it for the first time. The twists were still thrilling, and the tears still flowed. It’s on Hulu or Pluto right now in the U.S. I’d recommend it to any lovers of cop procedural, science fiction, or just good character, story, score, and acting.
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Mark-C-SApr 8, 2026
+3
Fringe did kind of have that nostalgia thing for the X files though 😂 I love it though and think it quickly outgrew and improved on what JJ would ever have done with it. If you hand off a mystery box to competent enough writers and let them just do their thing it can actually work.
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Fire_OtterApr 8, 2026
+14
*empty Mystery Box
That’s the key, he had no plan or answer for the mysteries he set up
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knightress_oxhideApr 9, 2026
+2
I think Lost wrapped up nicely. It was a perfect show for him. He presents the empty mystery box and great writers fill it.
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Fire_OtterApr 9, 2026
+2
I disagree strongly that Lost wrapped up nicely, I hate that ending. but I’m glad you enjoy it.
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comics0026Apr 9, 2026
+1
It works better for TV shows where there's more time to work things out both on the screen and behind the scenes, but when it's for something short like a movie and he has to come up with the solution himself that he falls flat
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hurtbowlerApr 8, 2026
+10
I rewatched his Star Trek a couple nights ago. Jfc it's so distracting. He really goes crazy in that one.
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TomHicksJnrApr 8, 2026
+14
It’s embarrassing and symbolic of what a mediocre director he is. Great directors like Lean and Ford have trademarks of huge vistas and panoramas, Scorsese is all about movement, this doofus makes a distracting CGI trick his TM.
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metametapraxisApr 8, 2026
+1
Don’t forget the mystery boxes that never pay off.
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bluehawk232Apr 8, 2026
+11
The other issue is how IP driven and risk averse Hollywood is now. Bad robot was able to thrive off MI, Star Wars, and Star trek. When those disappeared there wasn't anything left. Maybe JJ could have tried to make some mid budget original movie but it is an uphill battle to try and compete with marvel and Disney in terms of genre films within scifi territory
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SignificantScreen100Apr 8, 2026
+10
The Doc Rivers of producers.
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Summer_Chronicle8184Apr 8, 2026
+3
LMAOOOOO
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dirtyinthebrainApr 9, 2026
+1
As a Bucks fan, I feel this.
1
ZOOTV83Apr 9, 2026
+1
Glenn Rivers. The only doctor in the NBA is Dr. J as far as I'm concerned.
1
donotgotoroom237Apr 8, 2026
+95
*hurr durr mystery box*
Though I do attest Super 8 was a f****** amazing movie.
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LaxziyApr 8, 2026
+52
That came out 15 years ago!
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muldercApr 8, 2026
+13
I know I liked Super 8 when I watched it but I have no memory of it at all. I have talked to others and they seemed to have a similar experience.
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WhatAWasterZApr 8, 2026
+10
I rewatched it recently with my son as we’ve already run through all the 80s-90s Amblinverse so figure we’d now get to the copycats.
It does well to evoke the feel of the Spielberg stuff but without any of the memorable plot points.
Both Stranger Things and Skeleton Crew did a much better job of the same task.
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muldercApr 8, 2026
+1
I really liked Skeleton Crew, not sure it needed to be in the Star Wars universe though.
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CiDevantApr 8, 2026
+9
Oh good popular opinions finally catching up to this guy. You write a good mystery by starting with a surprising answer and working backwards to get it the question. Not by just making shit up with no answer at all.
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FireVanGorderApr 8, 2026
+6
Yeah, when you’re really good at one thing it’ll work a few times before people get sick of it
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KhivaApr 8, 2026
+10
The thing he was good at that was pretty shitty though.
It was either "mystery boxes" or "what if classic thing - but dumber and with more action?"
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FireVanGorderApr 8, 2026
+5
Tbf that second thing has been the foundation of a lot of wildly successful movies and franchises (when done a lot better than what he’s done)
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M0BBERApr 8, 2026
+4
This is Star Trek lens flare erasure
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paintsmithApr 8, 2026
+2
Meh, it's really just "what if ET replaced it's charm, sincerity and sense of wonder with a bunch of violence?"
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kbotcApr 8, 2026
+32
I present a counter argument: People have been giving M. Night Shyamalan money for movies for decades.
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FireVanGorderApr 8, 2026
+23
And he’s made like 1.5 good movies since The Village
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BeKindBabiesApr 8, 2026
+13
M. Night has been self funding his films since Split.
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paintsmithApr 8, 2026
+7
A twist ending can still be fulfilling, even when the audience sees it coming. Lots of people still rewatch old episodes of the Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits. Heck, the thing about twist endings is that they need to be carefully planned out so that import info can be properly set up.
The mystery box is all about introducing mysteries to grab that audience's attention, but not bothering to come up with answers before hand which actively prevents the writing of conforming to any needed structure necessary to pay off what's been introduced. It's a narrative approach that has pretentions of narrative twists, but doesn't do the work to properly set up it's eventual payoffs so will inevitably be forced to drop plotlines, give unsatisfying explanations, or simply end up riddled with inconsistencies, issues with the narrative structure and obvious plot holes .
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Violator604bcApr 9, 2026
+1
Like twilight zone and outer limits his movies always have messages that go above people's heads.
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MynsareApr 9, 2026
+1
Until they stopped doing that, and he has been self-funding since.
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ChalupaBatmanMc01Apr 8, 2026
+8
M Night is still getting work with his one trick, what killed JJ was he entered the studio machine and he never developed his technical skills. His movies look colorful but not very interesting, he's good with directing actors but he can's handle the characters on paper.
I feel a good comparison is Brad Bird, he had The Iron Giant and then entered the Pixar/Disney system but his movies all look distinctly different.
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InternManApr 8, 2026
+8
Abrams is like the opposite of M Night. It always feels like M Night is a better storyteller, but he can't cast or direct for c***. Abrams just doesn't understand how storytelling works in film; he's very competent but only if you don't let him write his own stuff.
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RandomRageNetApr 9, 2026
+2
They both have a good eye for directing actors and making compelling images, they both just have problems writing — Abrams with his mystery box bullshit and Shaymalan with dialogue and nonsensical plot twists.
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dlenksApr 8, 2026
+2
Lens flares
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Starfox-sfApr 8, 2026
+2
Moar Lens Flare?
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facemanbarffApr 8, 2026
+2
Was his trick the overuse of lens flares?
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DnashotgunApr 8, 2026
+1
One trick that he couldn't even pull off without either passing it off to someone else (Lost) or copying what someone else did (TROS)
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unreal_5757Apr 8, 2026
+1
That one trick….lens flares
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Silver-End9570Apr 9, 2026
+1
He was good at it? Cause the Mystery Box always fell apart no matter how he used it the second you started thinking about it. That was his one gimmick, and it wasn't a great gimmick to begin with. Well, two if you count his constant weaponization of nostalgia.
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DeathStarVetApr 8, 2026
+35
That's what happens when you only learn the worst from watching Spielberg movies. All the nostalgia, all the visuals, but absolutely nothing behind it and none of it was earned.
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paintsmithApr 8, 2026
+20
Honestly I can't think of a director who would be harder to emulate than Spielberg. He's got a sixth sense for what works on film and an uncanny ability to figure out what the audience wants to see and how to give it to them all without calling a ton of attention to his directing. His films feel as natural as breathing, every choice cleanly accomplishing his goals yet never feeling overbearing or forced.
I feel like a filmmaker either has that x factor of they don't. Abrams would make better stuff if he tried to find his own unique voice rather than trying to crib from someone who seems to have been born with the natural ability to make movies.
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undergroundloansApr 8, 2026
+4
I really liked Duster though, I know that’s a tv show so had different directors, but it should’ve been renewed. If only more people had watched it, it was very entertaining.
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Navynuke00Apr 8, 2026
+5
Ten?
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LPMadnessApr 8, 2026
+168
I think there is some talent there, but he’s entirely too derivative and the mystery box is effective… until it’s not. It turns into a big nothing burger. MI3 was pretty good, but I’d say Phillip Seymour Hoffman is undeniably what elevated the film.
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OerthlingApr 8, 2026
+107
There's definitively talent there - but my problem with JJ is that he's great at setting up something and tends to suck at resolving it.
His love for the mystery box is a blessing and a curse.
JJ Abrams doing Star Wars episode 7 was playing to his strength. You need somebody to get that trilogy going - JJ is your man.
But he was entirely the wrong choice to do episode 9. (shoulda been Ryan Johnson anyway)
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AllHailKeanuApr 8, 2026
+88
Yes JJ is an opener and not a closer. But force awakens was also absurdly derivative and devoid of any real world building. Even George Lucas spoke out that it has basically nothing new. He hard reset all the characters because he was too afraid to imagine what they might be up to 30 years later.
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KhivaApr 8, 2026
+39
> JJ Abrams doing Star Wars episode 7 was playing to his strength. You need somebody to get that trilogy going - JJ is your man.
Could not disagree more. Box office wise? Sure. And people were fooled at the time - many still seem to be - so credit there.
But the entire thing was set up on _incredibly_ creaky foundation. **The original sin that I don't think the series was ever going to past was feeding all the achievements and character development of the OT into the shredder** just so we could serve a warmed over version of the same thing. Member berries definitely give that fuzzy vibe, sure.
But how are we supposed to believe in the **stakes** of the conflict if all the bad guys can just .... respawn in 30 years? How do we believe that anything has been accomplished if 30 years later it all falls apart? Han went through a whole arc over three movies - how do we believe anyone can change if he just goes back to square one (even if it sure was fun to clap at him again!)
People have this bizarre way of forgetting that the character assassination of Luke all laid down in TFA - Han noted that Luke "blamed himself, cut himself off from the Force." That line took me right out and lead to real arguments in which I insisted **Luke Skywalker doesn't run** to people having none of it, just over the moon over TFA. "Blamed himself" was such a bullshit reason to flip his entire Empire arc on its head.
Then the _exact same people who wouldn't give me the time of the day_ came out bitching about what The Last Jedi did to Luke. I'm honestly still in shock - didn't think TLJ was great but at least _tried_ to give some context to what TFA handed it.
Into Darkness was a shitty remake that made money. TFA was the same thing, except _it was meant to launch a new trilogy, a new era, a new age._
I started out TFA hyped and finished it pretty sure that _at best_ the trilogy could grapple itself up to "decent." It never did. It came out cooked and stayed there.
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OerthlingApr 8, 2026
+3
Disagree on a couple minor points, but yes, the whole sequel trilogy is completely superfluous and was purely created to squeeze money out of the franchise.
Episode 6 was the ending to the saga. Which creates the problem that to continue the saga that prior finale had to be demolished or there is no more saga to tell.
It's like destroying the ring and defeating Sauron and Aragorn having his coronation party, but then, decades later there is a dark force in Mordor and Minas Tirith explodes. A new fellowship is needed to finally finish the fight for Middle Earth.
But if I lean back and ignore this problem for a while, them TFA is a fun adventure movie in the Star Wars universe and TLJ is great cinema.
Episode 9, apart from some minor good parts here and there, is overall a disappointing abomination. A great example of what not to do.
Disney should have just done a new epic trilogy in the Star Wars universe, without the stupid reset. They could have brought the old characters back for supporting roles and just tell a cool new story.
But no. "The saga continues" just sounds better for marketing. Sigh.
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kat0r_oniApr 8, 2026
+3
> Which creates the problem that to continue the saga that prior finale had to be demolished or there is no more saga to tell.
There was still an Empire with planets and ships, even if you kill the leader. And the EU also did continue the saga.
3
jamtasApr 8, 2026
+8
In hindsight, he did a reboot and put the SW universe in the same place it was in A New Hope. A big part of the reason the ST had issues was because of this move. TLJ then divided the fans and TRoS was a pendulum swing too much in the other direction effectively ruining the new trilogy. Could a more cohesive trilogy that was planned out work with the setup from The Force Awakens? Sure, but as it stands TFA really suffers looking back and realizing how much it took the OT cast and turned them into failures to bring the new cast in.
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ravihApr 8, 2026
+11
I disagree on JJ doing Episode 7. My hot take is that many of the choices that Rian Johnson made in The Last Jedi that riled folks were because JJ forced him into a corner.
Take Rey’s parentage. She can’t be a Solo; she met Han, Leia and Kylo without any recognition, and nor do any mention a missing daughter/sister. The brutal way she’s sold into slavery makes it unlikely for her to be a Skywalker because surely our heroic Luke wouldn’t do that, and in any case, JJ neither introduces a wife for Luke nor does Luke’s sister ever mention a missing niece. And it’d be super out of nowhere to make her a hidden Kenobi or Palpatine (lol) so surely that’s out. In the face of that, making her “no-one” is actually a logical choice.
This is the problem with the JJ Abrams mystery box: he doesn’t leave things open-ended and vague at all, he does the opposite. He delights in throwing in twists and extra elements and contradictions, because it keeps the viewer on their toes, but he makes no thought or consideration about how any of those pieces add up. I remember that from early Alias, or even the first couple of seasons of Lost with the Smoke Monster. It was made of smoke… but it could also maul people like a wild beast… but it could also talk… but it also sounded mechanical… by throwing in all these elements, JJ wants you to keep guessing. But a guessing game isn’t fun if there’s no answer, and JJ never has an answer, so what’s the point?
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KhivaApr 9, 2026
+2
This has been my take for a decade and I'm waiting for the time it's no longer "hot."
TFA may have given that member berry high but it was a godawful way to set up a story.
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OneBigBugApr 8, 2026
+3
> but my problem with JJ is that he's great at setting up something and tends to suck at resolving it.
This seems...like it's significantly less than half the necessary skill, though?
The skill of implementing a proper mystery is actually knowing the answer and figuring out the path to get you from where you started to that answer in an interesting way, while signalling things to the audience in such a way that, when the answer is revealed, everyone goes "Oh, there were so many clues that would have let me figure it out! I get what it all means now!"
But how do you finish a project that was started and half done without even an idea of what a reasonable final goal would even look like? How do you connect things that were never planned to go anywhere? Imagine taking over building a house from someone who has put together a bunch of walls, but hasn't thought about which ones will be load bearing, or where the bathrooms will be. Something that, from the street, you go "Yeah, I guess that looks like someone started building a pretty cool house", but falls apart the minute you try to figure out how anything would work. Trying to cobble together something functional out of that is far more work than just starting from scratch as someone who knows how to build a house.
His "skill" is always going to leave viewers unsatisfied, or leave an enormous debt for the next guy to have to figure out, and if the next guy can sort out that debt, you really could have just started with him instead.
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LPMadnessApr 8, 2026
+5
Definitely should have been Rian to cap the trilogy off. JJ is great at reinvigorating a franchise, but that’s it.
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AshIsGroovyApr 8, 2026
+3
With all his stuff it starts out great and chugs along at a solid entertaining pace but ALWAYS underwhelming falls on its face at the end.
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OnwardTowardTheNorthApr 8, 2026
+2
MI3 is the one film he made that I will always love. I can’t say much for anything else he has made…
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KingRabbit_Apr 8, 2026
+1
Time for a "Gone Fishin'" reboot.
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ReMapperApr 8, 2026
+1
I re-watched Star Trek 2009 and the pacing was just too fast. There is not a moment where we get to stop and catch our breath. The other thing he did with these is he literally took every second out of a scene that gives it room.
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BlindWillieJohnsonApr 9, 2026
+1
It’s not just the mystery box. He also tends to make films that are 40% climax by volume, and that actually stinks in its own ways
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wrusaposApr 8, 2026
+41
I think what a lot of the dialogue around this hasn't taken into account is that JJ Abrams/Bad Robot devolved into a style of Silicon Valley-style business management. Sure his talent is clouded by mystery boxes and 80s nostalgia, but I think the problem is a much deeper, potentially more problematic issue, the mentality of "I have to have all the toys and no one can play with them." He cornered the popular sci fi market by getting Star Wars and Star Trek and imposing his style hegemony over them (extending through to Trek's TV output via his cronies). That alone may not be a reason to condemn him, but in the years since, Bad Robot's MO in Hollywood has been to acquire or option as many interesting scripts and properties as they could only to just sit on them indefinitely. Either he can't get his company to hop to and make things happen (that's bad) or he's deliberately starving the market of projects that could be successful in order to lower the quality of projects available to other production companies, in turn making the small handful of projects Bad Robot does produce look that much better (that's even worse). It's a Vladimir Putin/Mark Zuckerberg move, "I'm not going to improve, I'm just going to make you look shittier." But in show business, the return is much less than a rogue nation dictatorship or a social media platform, so that sort of spending against the competition doesn't work out nearly as well. If it's naive incompetence, it's validation to the idea that Abrams is all smoke and mirrors, blinded by his own hype and unable to deliver. If it's deliberately manipulating both the market and creative workforce, then he's a bad dude, and probably the tip of the iceberg in terms of how show business is currently functioning.
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varnums1666Apr 9, 2026
+5
That's interesting. Do you have any good sources for this? I'd love another reason to hate the man.
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wrusaposApr 9, 2026
+7
First hand accounts I've heard from people who had sold him stuff, but not published sources...NDAs plus the culture of reality denial in LA ("oh he's going to green light it any day now!") keep people from talking about it, but it's a pretty open secret.
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Lore_QuestApr 8, 2026
+13
I got distracted by the phrase “salad days”.
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brenster23Apr 8, 2026
+115
Well the trek films felt like star wars, while the star wars movies had no substance and made no damn sense.
Westwood went out of its way to f*** with fan theories.
Person of interest got hampered by criminal of the week in seasons 4 and 5.
Fringe rewrote and retconned itself a bunch, and dropped some of the better world building. It still had a beautiful ending but season 1 had some fantastic elements that were fully dropped.
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EchoesofIllyriaApr 8, 2026
+6
Season 4 is PoI’s strongest
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jayd42Apr 8, 2026
+15
I’m just starting the last season of Fringe so I’m happy to hear it’s got a decent ending. Season 4 was rough. It really felt like they were hacking and slashing their way through the world building to hopefully set up a satisfying ending.
15
Faile-BashereApr 8, 2026
+11
I remember enjoying the ending to Fringe.
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Ven0m889Apr 9, 2026
+2
Very wrong on Person of Interest. If anything it was hampered early by the procedural and criminal of the week format. The last couple seasons of the show became one long story format and they were incredible. Season 5 is one of the single greatest seasons of television ever made, and arguably the greatest single season of sci-fi ever made.
I do agree that Fringe lost some of its magic as it went on, though.
2
LiquidSnake13Apr 8, 2026
+2
He just stopped caring. After Lost's success (which is mostly on the actual show runners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse), he became a legend. He was on the same pedestal as the likes of George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, etc. So he quickly learned his name alone was a money maker and just banked on that.
He liked the formula of "just write the first installment and let other people do the work while I take the credit," so much that he did it with Fringe, and Star Wars and whatever else he wanted to be a "creator" on with mid tier results at best. Remember, he wasn't supposed to come back for episode IX and only did so because Disney couldn't find anyone else to replace Trevorrow.
He got his money. He should just go the f*** away.
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Mark-C-SApr 8, 2026
+3
Fringe mid tier at best? 😮 It's such a wonderful show I've seen multiple times all the way through. Although I do agree that's probably in spite of, rather than thanks to, J.J.
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AVeryFineUsernameApr 8, 2026
+70
Well he’s a one trick pony who fails to deliver any payoff. He’s the equivalent of jingling shiny keys at a baby.
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roastedmarshmellowsApr 8, 2026
+15
But if you need lens flare, you know who to call!
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mokolabsApr 8, 2026
+4
Don’t forget all the running!
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toewalldogApr 9, 2026
+1
None of his projects have satisfying endings. He does not know how to write them.
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SternjunkApr 8, 2026
+12
Dude made a starwars trilogy without planning it out. Hes a dunce.
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QuantumFungusApr 8, 2026
+44
Watching JJ Abram's work always felt to me like watching a sociopath try and navigate social situations. He doesn't really get what connects emotionally with people, he's just replaying what he knows will work from experience.
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ampersandandanandApr 8, 2026
+11
So what you’re saying is AI could do his job
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QuantumFungusApr 8, 2026
+6
Ouch. I had thought this about Abrams for over a decade, but your comment really made it click. Yes, AI could do his job.
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KhivaApr 9, 2026
+1
*ChatGBT - Rewrite A New Hope and include about a dozen mystery boxes.*
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s4ltydogApr 8, 2026
+30
Sorry but he’s M Night all over again. Objectively some talent sure, but a refusal to stretch and grow that talent eventually turns you into a one trick pony
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sim21521Apr 8, 2026
+24
M Night knows his lane, he makes good low budget indie flicks and they're perfectly fine for what they are. He's done with his blockbuster days. He makes movies so cheaply it's insane by today's standards. Glass took 20 million to make and featured Samuel Jackson, Bruce Willis, and Anya Taylor Joy (edit: even forgot to list James McAvoy).
He's really the model hollywood should look at, makes movies sub 100 million that make 2-10x their budget.
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varnums1666Apr 8, 2026
+9
Yeah, M Knight has made some shit films but he leagues above JJ Abrams. He's actually interesting.
All JJ has been able to make are incest abominations of greater works.
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Hosni__MubarakApr 8, 2026
+23
M night is wayyyyy better. M night usually makes great movies, and is at least original. I don’t need every movie to be a huge blockbuster like Avatar or something like Schindler’s list. Sometimes I just need really well done B movie schlock that’s fun.
M night makes fantastic schlock.
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ScorpionTDCApr 8, 2026
+4
He did shamelessly ripoff *Running Out of Time* with The Village, but yeah. M. Night has waaaaaay higher highs and even his lows generally feel more inspired and less lazy than Abrams’ (I assume Avatar not withstanding which I haven’t seen and am not gonna)
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XalaraApr 9, 2026
+3
Definitely smart not to include The Lat Airbender, it’s 100% an outlier lol
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MarcoDiFrancescinoApr 8, 2026
+1
Every time I looked his IMDB profile up its like 20 upcoming projects. Then you look again three month later and its five new, but nothing got done. I absolutely respect his hustle to get leads, its hard fairways in hollywood right now but for some reason he didn't drop tons of streamer projects as others did.
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ChalupaBatmanMc01Apr 8, 2026
+1
Exactly this, someone else on this thread called wrong for your exact comment.
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OasxApr 8, 2026
+31
Lost, Fringe and Person of Interest are in my opinion some of the best TV shows ever, Bad Robot certainly did something right.
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djm19Apr 8, 2026
+16
It was off the strength of those shows that Bad Robot got so much investment but has since not produced much success with said money.
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FatalFirecrotchApr 8, 2026
+2
If you read some of the reporting, he also just screwed by the Warner Bros constant changing that has occurred the last couple of years.
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woemcatsApr 8, 2026
+3
I would have loved to see what Demimonde would have offered.
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shadowrabbitApr 8, 2026
+22
I feel like maybe I’m out of the consensus with all these comments but I think he was a good director
MI:3, Super 8, Star Trek, Force Awakens
Those are all competent to very good. I don’t think he was a bad director. Rise of Skywalker was a bad movie but in totality he made good movies.
Maybe having a $250 million deal and him not making anything was the problem? Idk
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Lord0fHatsApr 8, 2026
+6
I mean, people are kind of talking past how Bad Robot's trajectory is heavily tied to Paramount's, but worse because Paramount decided to f*** Bad Robot even if they couldn't completely cut the contract with Abrams' company way back in 2018. Since that fallout, Bad Robot has suffered to establish any sort of lasting partnership while Abrams has become more of a producer with very little to produce at the level he wants to work at.
Like, overrated director or not, I think there's a lot here that has little to do with his qualities as a filmmaker than the damage Bad Robot has suffered as the industry around it has realigned itself over the past decade that has largely left Bad Robot holding bags and having narrower prospects. Their relationship with Paramount collapsed. The DC deal got cut. The entire deal with Warner has fallen through less because of Abrams and more because Warner itself is even more of a mess than Paramount is and he doesn't have a future in Disney after the problems of the sequel trilogy and the shift to letting Dave Feloni run that franchise more and more.
Bad Robot has fallen into the cracks of the industry and can't find a way to dig itself out.
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ParallelMusicApr 8, 2026
+13
Yeah the hate is overblown. MI3 and particularly Super 8 are great movies. The only ‘bad’ movie he’s done is RoS and I’d say it was a massive mistake taking that job.
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DrakengardApr 8, 2026
+3
The issue is all of those movies are more than a decade old at this point. You can't spin your wheels for ten years putting out not good or non-existent stuff.
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srslybr0Apr 8, 2026
*the force awakens* was a terrible movie, arguably worse than *the last jedi* because it completely reset the star wars universe. it's not hard to make a "competent to very good" movie when you're copying scene for scene one of the greatest movies of all time.
0
joecb91Apr 9, 2026
+1
Good director, gets good performances out of his actors. But needs a good co-writer that can help balance out his worst tendencies.
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hamlet9000Apr 8, 2026
+3
Abrams' shortcomings as a storyteller may be a factor, but the far bigger elephant in the room is the constant leadership changes at WB combined with Abrams' seeming inability to pitch anything for television without a gargantuan budget attached. (Plus COVID and two different Hollywood strikes.)
Zaslav gets WB's movie pipeline fixed and Bad Robot is releasing two movies this year? Not a coincidence.
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lkjandersenApr 8, 2026
+3
It's not a great ending for a company, so at least that's fully on brand.
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Alarming_Smoke_8841Apr 13, 2026
+1
Ouch, but lol
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mudokinApr 8, 2026
+10
I am gonna say it, but he is past his prime, most of his stuff from the last 10 years or so was mediocre at beat.
His legacy will forever be ALIAS and LOST, and those still hold up nice.
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Alarming_Smoke_8841Apr 13, 2026
+1
And Felicity!
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CollinsCouldveDuckedApr 8, 2026
+8
Maybe he should have made that portal movie haha
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jedipiperApr 8, 2026
+4
Y'all keep bashing him but are forgetting that he had that awesome keyboard solo.
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GranitskyApr 8, 2026
+4
Good point, that was pretty badass
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Maddie-MooApr 8, 2026
+3
Damn, you ain’t wrong.
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TheWhiteHunterApr 8, 2026
+2
Looking over J.J.'s works, I feel like I stopped caring if his name was attached to a project after Fringe ended (2013).
But also since then his filmography is just Star Wars / Star Trek and his TV credits don't have anything with him as a Creator/Director until 2025's Duster, which I haven't seen.
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XyrackApr 8, 2026
+2
Maybe it's because people are finally realizing he sucks. He's a great idea guy but he can't stick a landing to save his life. Spider-Man comic he did started off so promising, such an interesting and fresh take. Then there was zombie avenger I think, then the incredibly creepy and cool villain turned out to be a henchmen and it all resolved itself through no direct action from Spidey... It was lame.
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strolpolApr 8, 2026
+2
Star Wars killed his career and it’s just taking a decade to kick in
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hindusoulApr 9, 2026
+1
Lens flare
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mitchsnApr 8, 2026
+3
I couldn't read the article because i was blinded by all the lens flares.
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chappell-hoennApr 8, 2026
+5
He deserves it for Rise of Skywalker. Good riddance flyboy
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chrissamperiApr 8, 2026
+3
It helps to actually produce a product. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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NachoNutritiousApr 8, 2026
+4
> Bad Robot was to have produced some DC features, too, but those were shelved once DC Studios, under James Gunn and Peter Safran, was created.
So are we finally allowed to say out loud that Abrams' pitch for a black Superman movie was never going to happen because it was a bad idea and would have hemorrhaged money?
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OerthlingApr 8, 2026
+18
What has the skin color of Superman to do with being a bad idea? And out of all the stuff JJ produced or failed to produce to pick this example.
If the script is bad then it's bad regardless of skin pigmentation.
And if the script is good then it's good regardless of skin pigmentation.
To say that a fictional character from the fictional planet Krypton has to have a certain skin color is ridiculous.
Skin pigmentation didn't keep Black Panther from being a huge success.
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NachoNutritiousApr 8, 2026
+3
All I said is it was a bad idea and would have lost money. Everything else you wrote is your own bizarre interpretation.
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henryhollawayApr 8, 2026
+3
In hindsight, it reeks of their desperation to get a project picked up or to continue ties with a lifeline like DC
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duckrollinApr 8, 2026
+2
JJ Abrams was Dilbert Principled. He made awesome TV shows, but then was sadly given movies and just made generic slop out of them. Star Wars in particular couldn't have been much worse.
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tylertreyApr 8, 2026
IMHO they gave too much work to a mid-level talent. That's a business school approach that doesn't work for creatives.
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Rough-Breadfruit-611Apr 8, 2026
+1
Probably realized that Only Fans has bigger profit margins.
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monchotaApr 8, 2026
+1
This is the problem with corpo meats Hollywood, talent is only talent once and then it evolves. To move on or be a different talent, JJ knew how to do one thing and he kept doing that. Its jist boring now
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Doc-11thApr 8, 2026
+1
did his deal with WB even produce anything?
seems like everything got scrapped
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Ok_Neighborhood9490Apr 8, 2026
+1
It was meant to happen. I believe that the issue production companies like Bad Robot and other talent lead business is that they are focused on growth rather than focusing on on being sustainable in an industry that’s always evolving
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Difficult_Ad2864Apr 8, 2026
+1
Decamped?
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Trump-is-the-pedoApr 8, 2026
+1
This is part of the marketing for the new “secret” cloverfield movie. Seriously.
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nervuswalkerApr 9, 2026
+1
I still want to know what the premise for Demimonde was.
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MidwestTroy92Apr 9, 2026
+1
Crazy how fast that cooled off. Felt like his name was attached to everything for 10 years and then all of a sudden... not much.
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KrakengreyjoyApr 9, 2026
+1
What the f*** is Duster?
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tqgibtngoApr 9, 2026
+1
Over a decade ago, in [2013](https://variety.com/2013/tv/news/j-j-abrams-to-develop-rod-serling-screenplay-1200492611/), Abrams bought Rod Serling's last completed screenplay. I wonder if it will ever be produced for screen.
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Dahveed97Apr 9, 2026
+1
Maybe cuz he ruined 2 sci-fi franchises
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ThisIsTheNewSleeveApr 10, 2026
+1
Typical JJ Abrams. Good at starting things, shit at keeping them going.
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DaikeyApr 8, 2026
+1
At some point you need to open the mistery box to get value out of it.
His was empty
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freshapepperApr 8, 2026
Lens flairs can’t help you now, JJ
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FrobizzleApr 8, 2026
+2
JJ Abrams has always been a talentless hack. I don't know how he ever managed to build clout out of nothing.
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