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hypothethical Apr 1, 2026 +1

As an anti-Zionist Jew, I can confidently say it *needs* to be the new standard 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸

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CrazFight Apr 1, 2026 +1

What does Anti-Zionist mean for you

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hypothethical Apr 1, 2026 +1

One state solution, equal rights for all, Palestinian right to return/give back stolen homes, prosecution for Israelis responsible for genocide/war crimes

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NicolasCageFan492 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Here’s a good tool to use: Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, of which Israel joined in 1949 and ratified in 1951. “No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.”

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Static-Stair-58 Apr 1, 2026 +1

What do you think about more separation of church and state? Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had arguments or issues with the state of Israel, and it’s immediately construed as anti-semitism to counterpoint any issues with the state itself. When it has nothing to do with Judaism and everything to do with a corrupt and evil government. But it seems like I can never make an in road because it’s just “nah anti-Zionism = antisemitism”. What do you do in that situation? Sorry if this a weird question it’s just something I notice again and again.

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hypothethical Apr 1, 2026 +1

Would read what some antizionist jewish groups, such as JVP or IJAN, have to say on the matter. It's simply not antisemitic to oppose genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, and apartheid! And that is what Zionism stands for by treating Palestinians as less than human with unequal rights (read human rights orgs' reports like from Amnesty International or Btselem on apartheid, occupation, Nakba, genocide in Palestine if you need specific evidence to point to).

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Static-Stair-58 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Ty, I like this a lot. I’ll keep this in mind.

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baronvonsmartass Apr 1, 2026 +1

Would you think Palestinians are due reparations in this hypothetical version of Israel? Not just restoring their lands taken by settlers.

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hypothethical Apr 1, 2026 +1

Yes, of course. Addressing any genocide/ethnic cleansing campaign requires reparations

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bootlegvader Apr 1, 2026 +1

Are Mizrahi Jews going to get reparations?

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hypothethical Apr 1, 2026 +1

From the Israeli state that already protects them?

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bootlegvader Apr 1, 2026 +1

No, from the Islamic world that oppressed them and drove them from their homes.

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CrazFight Apr 1, 2026 +1

I appreciate the optimism

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hypothethical Apr 1, 2026 +1

We must imagine a better world

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bootlegvader Apr 1, 2026 +1

Do you support regime change elsewhere?

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hypothethical Apr 1, 2026 +1

In the United States for sure!

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bootlegvader Apr 1, 2026 +1

How about various leftist or Islamic authoritarian states?

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Alocasia_Sanderiana Apr 1, 2026 +1

Idrk if it's optimism but rather the most likely to succeed solution for a conflict whose geography has shifted since Bill Clinton's presidency. A two state solution based on those borders would require the forced exodus of around 800,000 settlers. For context, the removal of settlers in Gaza numbered around 8000, and even that took 4 months. Additionally, the damage done to Palestinian agriculture, infrastructure, and economy is immense and something Israel as a separate state would do its' best to avoid paying for. A secular one state solution with equal rights, outside security coordination, and a political structure similar to the one set up in Bosnia and Herzegovina is probably the most immediate solution for a at-least semi-lasting peace. This would also mean that fixing the damage done by Israel would be in the interest of this new state for reconciliatory and economic reasons.

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CrazFight Apr 1, 2026 +1

What you just described is no where near scope at the moment, hence optimism.

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bootlegvader Apr 1, 2026 +1

Why when it comes to regime change in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba that the left is deathly afraid that the alternative will be somehow worse than their current authoritarian regime yet dismantling Israel for a singular Arab dominanted state will magically work out?

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doctordoctorpuss Apr 1, 2026 +1

It seems very much like you’re not arguing in good faith here, but as a progressive, I’m against our government violently overthrowing regimes and having no plan in place (see our policy in the Middle East for my entire lifetime, much of South America for the last century plus). No one on the left that I’ve spoken to advocates for the violent removal of Bibi and his government. Rather, most of us think that a new government should be given a chance to flourish following the establishment of a new, non-ethnostate. I would have just as much of a problem with our government abducting or executing Bibi as I did with Maduro and the Ayatollah

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bootlegvader Apr 1, 2026 +1

How do you think the idea of a one state solution occurring where Israel is dismantled happens? The left often complains about those regimes facing sanctions, so it is more than just opposing military action.

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doctordoctorpuss Apr 1, 2026 +1

The Israeli government needs to be dismantled. Enforced Jewish majority in the land currently claimed by Israel needs to be dismantled. Ideally, Bibi and his goons get tried at The Hague for a truly monumental number of war crimes. I think until these goals are accomplished, at a minimum, the US should immediately cease all military funding to Israel. Humanitarian aid is fine, particularly if the groups distributing it have been vetted to make sure they’re not Zionist groups rationing aid. For other aspects of reforming the government, look to South Africa after they ended apartheid Sanctions are kind of a mixed bag. Generally the people hurt by sanctions are the least privileged people in the society, so sanctions against Israel would likely hit Palestinian refugees the hardest, and I don’t want to see that

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bootlegvader Apr 1, 2026 +1

So you want to do regime change. Now do you support the same for the various Islamic or leftist states? Like Iran and Pakistan?

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doctordoctorpuss Apr 1, 2026 +1

Jesus Christ. Do you have an issue with reading comprehension? I’m not saying “I want the US to replace the Israeli government”. I’m saying, if everything shook out the way I wanted it to, Bibi and the other criminals in his government would be arrested, face due process, and be jailed for their war crimes. The US wouldn’t be involved in any of that. I want the regime to change, I don’t want my government to go in and do it. As far as removing our financial support of them, if we were doing that with Iran or Pakistan, I’d also want to remove financial support for them. But we don’t, and obviously you know that. The US should not be in the business of taking out other countries’ leadership, full stop

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bootlegvader Apr 1, 2026 +1

The US has long been a financial and military backer to Pakistan.

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Vanilla_Either Apr 1, 2026 +1

We can only hope

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XSinTrick6666 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Honestly this is why the Dem Gerontocracy is so afraid of the 'far left' -- They are NOT far left, they are just not brainwashed, like my generation was. Gives me hope.

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Sminahin Apr 1, 2026 +1

If it doesn't, 2028 is going to be a very messy election for everyone, with probably full blown civil wars in both parties.

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KingThar Apr 1, 2026 +1

Even Rahm Emmanuel is saying so

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Specialist-Mud4150 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I hope AOC has good security. Mossad not going to like this one bit…

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Look__a_distraction Apr 1, 2026 +1

The last thing they need is to make a martyr out of one of the most popular Dems currently in office. That would backfire spectacularly.

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CrazFight Apr 1, 2026 +1

It seems she is planning to run for presidency, makes sense. Worst case for her, she flops early and drops out, in which case she can then just run for Schumers senate seat.

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ChainLC Apr 1, 2026 +1

one can hope. Of course she needs to watch her back. Mossad doesn't play nice.

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CrustyTh3Punk Apr 1, 2026 +1

That’s *been* the standard for me and many others. Ask Kamala how it went for her being pro-israel.

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Nice-Foot7552 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I still don’t understand why we support Israel at all. Can someone please explain it to me other than paying politicians

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NicolasCageFan492 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I believe there is still room for people who are supportive of a two-state solution.

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Hour_Interview1877 Apr 1, 2026 +1

One state, end the apartheid regime, everyone gets full movement, voting in same government, and drafting in military. Palestinians have the numbers to counter the zionists attempts as lawfare.

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MemeStarNation Apr 1, 2026 +1

You can support a two-state solution and also recognize Israel has no interest in moving towards that right now, and needs extraordinary outside pressure to reconsider that stance.

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NicolasCageFan492 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Agreed! It will take a long time and a lot of effort to de-radicalize its government and its population. We’ll also have to beat MAGA first.

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XSinTrick6666 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I don't think it's MAGA - they are split on this. It's zionist elites - they buy whoever can be bought -- and TRUMP has been bought -- even sponsored (if you read into his associations from Epstein files).

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NicolasCageFan492 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Defeating MAGA will be necessary to achieve the objective, that’s all I’m saying. Clarity is key so we can focus our energy.

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FantasticBicycle37 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Here's the thing....Israel needed Trump to win, and they used every lever they could, and finally it was the [pro-Palestinian protesters that tipped the scales and allowed Trump to win.](https://www.thebulwark.com/p/pro-palestinian-activists-gave-trump-boost-no-2024-regrets-biden-harris-gaza-israel) Every single "Genocide Joe" tweet helped Trump and helped Israel. It's predictable exploitation of American liberals and Israel will 100% support America's left to attack other democrats so maga republicans can continue to win

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pharrt Apr 1, 2026 +1

You could also say it was every bomb, every dollar that Genocide Joe supplied to Israel that tipped the scales. Many of us were screaming from the rooftops that this would cause Trump to win. We were abused and drowned out by voices like yours. Lesson learned? Doubt it.

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plightro Apr 1, 2026 +1

"Every single "Genocide Joe" tweet helped Trump and helped Israel" Seems like there is a way that the Democrats could have countered this plot by Israel and MAGA to turn their own voters against them. Naaaaaah! Blame the voters!

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PlayerAssumption77 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I don't hate voting third party for the precedent of parties not just having to be less bad, even specifically on Palestine, but it's so illogical to say Trump winning was worth it for Palestine when things are now worse for Palestine as well as us.

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PurpleWhiteOut Apr 1, 2026 +1

Or Joe and Kamala could have not supported genocide. Theyre adults and should have made better decisions. They put the nails in their own coffins. Democrats should not put up with this

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iejekek Apr 1, 2026 +1

Watch her whip count.

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[deleted] Apr 1, 2026 +1

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KohlsCashOfficial Apr 1, 2026 +1

What else was tied to the bill

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Elendel19 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Because it was a shit bill by a moron.

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GoodWaste8222 Apr 1, 2026 +1

No. America is bought and paid for by Israel

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viscosity-breakdown Apr 1, 2026 +1

I'm sure hoping the rest of the caucus won't let themselves be goaded by Ana Kasparian. Things are looking bleak. Progressives have a Nazi tattoo guy running for Senate and a right-wing podcaster apparently calling the shots for their star AOC. It seems like it's all coming together now.

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hypothethical Apr 1, 2026 +1

Israel is currently committing genocide. I don't think AOC was goaded by Ana but moreso had quality conversations with DSA folks and has been following as Israel has ramped up its horrific bombing of Iran and Lebanon, as well as continuing to kill and oppress Palestinians. Not a turn towards Nazism, a waking up to fascist reality and being willing to fight against it materially

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viscosity-breakdown Apr 1, 2026 +1

I disagree. The right-left commingling has been getting worse online and it's scary to see that reflected by a popular elected politician and a Senate hopeful. That stuff should be nipped in the bud.

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