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guntycankles 1 day ago +104

"NUH-UH."

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idkwhattowriteee 1 day ago +50

This has been the news for the past 2 weeks I'm tired man

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fec2245 1 day ago +21

Part of the problem seems to be that there are different factions with different perogatives operating in Iran with no clear central leader. Makes it very confusing to follow.

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No_Signal_6969 1 day ago +13

I would imagine they also want to pretend like are in a position of power and in no rush to end this

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fec2245 1 day ago +6

Yeah, most wars end in a negotiated settlement and everyone needs to sell it to their domestic audience.

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LiveToLoveAndLearn 1 day ago

Well, in a way they are. They can continue to affect energy distribution where Trump can only mainly impact the population, which is against their government…

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yosisoy 1 day ago +3

I thought Coma boy was apparently calling the shots

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ConfederacyOfDunces_ 1 day ago +10

Everything we read is a lie. This is a disinformation campaign. And it’s wild, the entire news is being broken to us via Twitter messages from people in charge.

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lonigus 1 day ago +1

Lol, this got me good

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leondanielstar9999 1 day ago +45

Iran has denied reports of an Iranian delegation arriving in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, Iranian media says, including Fars News Agaency close to the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps. According to information, talks between Iranian and US representatives planned in Islamabad will not begin until Washington fulfills its obligations to end Israeli military actions in Lebanon. Tehran reported that the information about the delegation's arrival in Islamabad is false. It is reported that the talks have been suspended until the US meets conditions for ensuring a ceasefire in Lebanon and stopping Israeli attacks. Earlier today, a number of world media have reported that Iranian delegation has landed to Islamabad early Friday for peace talks between US and Iran, scheduled to begin today.

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hyp-R 1 day ago +7

What does this comment even mean? I think everyone, including Iran, knows they would never win in any engagement directly - the problem is that *fighting* and *waging* are different disciplines and America has consistently struggled with the latter, and even with boots on the ground (if it got there), I really, really struggle to see how any coherent political strategy comes with it. Edit: idk why people are so scared about the internet they delete their comments lol

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Hedgehog101 1 day ago +5

Everyone is losing

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hyp-R 1 day ago +1

Absolutely spot on take

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BannedAgain12341 1 day ago +19

Trust is really in short supply these days.

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boat_car_guy 1 day ago +21

I'm not sure that I'd trust the Pakistan Government / ISI Military for negotiations. Remember, Bin Laden was chilling in Pakistan for years.

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InsatiablePrism 1 day ago +34

Iran won’t let their own population know they are negotiating. Within Iran, they have won.

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FederalAgent17 1 day ago -20

Have you considered it could be a deliberate strategy to prevent there being pressure on the US to kill them? The US and Israel have both killed diplomats in cold blood very recently so any amount of a smoke screen Iran can throw up onto their whereabouts would be a good idea from their perspective.

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PlanktonInitial7945 1 day ago +5

So... What is the strategy, exactly? Will they admit they did send diplomats, like, 5 minutes before the negotiation starts? Or will they keep pretending they aren't real diplomats, and thus, uh, render the negotiation invalid...? Do they think saying "no they're not diplomats!!" will prevent Israel or the US from killing them if they want to? And if the diplomats do end up dead, will an Iranian come out of a bush and say "Aha! They WERE diplomats all along! And you killed them! You monsters!!"

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bart416 1 day ago +11

That's doesn't even make sense as a tactic to prevent that...

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ObservableObject 1 day ago +1

We didn’t want our diplomats to be assassinated by the Americans, so we told everyone they weren’t going as a smokescreen. That way the Americans will have no idea that they’re actually in this meeting with the Americans. What part of that doesn’t make sense?

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PETEFO55 1 day ago -17

I mean..if theyre getting a vig on the strait and still get to bomb the concept in the desert, seems like a dub

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fec2245 1 day ago +8

It remains to be seen whether they can keep their "protection" racket going. It's hard to see it long term, no country other than Russia would support it, China doesn't want to pay more for oil and natural gas. And they can only extort ships if they're willing to attack civilian ships that don't "pay up" even after a permanent ceasefire or peace treaty is signed.

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AffectionateRub1857 1 day ago +3

Also, if USA decides to sanction those ships paying the toll, it will make matters much more difficult

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fec2245 1 day ago +2

Perhaps but I think there will be broad pushback even without that. People can look the other way when a ship gets struck during a war but after 3 months of peace hitting a ship because it didn't pay the "protection" money? Iran talks a good game and they do have leverage but this war isn't sustainable for them, they're not going to look to dive into round 3 in a couple months by sinking some UAE LNG carrier.

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Wide-Attorney5633 1 day ago +32

Why do people even read/listen to what Iran says. It's obvious their press is all about national propaganda.

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FewResearcher2606 1 day ago +12

Yeah. As an Iranian, the moment trump talked about peace deals two weeks ago, i knew it was ghalibaf (head of parliament) who was making contact with the USA. but he denied it multiple times at that moment. State media denied it too. Now we have confirmation that he is indeed in talks, but since they want to save a face in front of their supporters (hardliners that they riled up with "no negotiations with USA" chants), they throw a tantrum saying if Lebanon isn't part of the deal they won't attend. But they will. That's how mullahs opperate. They just lie to people and do the opposite behind their backs. Yes, i know, trump is a liar. But i take his words over the regime any day. Remember the day he announced Khamenei is dead? Our state media denied it, and even telling us they made contact with supreme leader and he said he was fine. A day later they announced his death. Same thing happened with Ukrainian plane they shot down, denied it for 3 days. Or Covid, they told us that the western vaccines are not safe so we have to buy Russian ones. (A lot of people died because of that)

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Wide-Attorney5633 1 day ago +7

Yeah it's just survival. Dictators can't be seen as weak. They wouldn't survive.

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PointedlyDull 1 day ago +25

Why would anyone listen to what the US has to say either

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Wide-Attorney5633 1 day ago +11

Por que no los dos? Not trusting someone doesn't mean automatically trusting someone else.

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FederalAgent17 1 day ago +1

It’s all about propaganda on both sides’ media institutions, if you can’t see that then idk what to tell you.

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clayingmore 1 day ago +10

Ironic to freely post this on a US media institution in Listnook, don't you think?

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FederalAgent17 1 day ago -5

What’s your point? The modern model for information control and manipulation is not so blunt as it used to be. Yes people are still punished for speech online, but that’s a crude method that can only happen if a population accepts it. In populations that don’t, there still exists a large scale state effort to manage thought and belief, it’s just much more subtle and refined. Point being, the US media is more or less just as intertwined with the US State than any other country. The relationships exist, but they are not as blatant or one-sided as in more autocratic societies.

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LightOverWater 1 day ago -5

All the US administration does is gaslight. For awhile the terrorist Iranian regime was more trustworthy in communication.

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sewankambo 1 day ago +6

They both ass

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Opening_Dog_570 1 day ago +11

Lol it was not more trustworthy not even close

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Kalpy97 1 day ago +1

Why do journalists and media say iran as if its one person lmao

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FewResearcher2606 1 day ago +3

They are. Kinda. There is no Free press in Iran. Both state media and most prominent news agencies are controlled by IRGC and hardliners.

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taonow000 1 day ago -4

Why do people read/listen to what the US says? It’s obvious their press is all about national propaganda.

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mmousey 1 day ago +11

Now, more than ever, I'm glad India was never part of these negotiations. People in India were mad that we didn't get to play peacemaker between Iran and USA. Not exactly going well for Pakistan, now is it?

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franciscooki 1 day ago -6

crazy how indians are always talking about pakistan when it’s not even their business

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mmousey 1 day ago +4

A lot of what happens on the other side of the border shapes the political narratives of India and Pakistan. This is how things have been for decades. It also plays a significant role in elections, whether people want to believe it or not.

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HotSteak 1 day ago -1

It seems like it's going fine for Pakistan. What are you talking about?

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Icy-Advice8326 1 day ago -8

Because according to indian media, India has yet again exceptionally played 5d chess and checkmated Pakistan once again and unfortunately most of the indians get their news and world views from their media.

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Samusen 1 day ago +1

Iran and Trump sure love lying

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shatteredmatt 1 day ago +1

Why is it so hard for some to accept at this point that US and Israeli source lie to the media as a form of information warfare?

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the_jokes_on_u 1 day ago +1

Iran has a power vacuum. The formal Iranian government is trying to get negotiations going because the country is literally in shambles economically. The IRGC couldn’t care less about the state of the country itself. They’re doing everything possible to somehow show they still have all the power.

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yosisoy 1 day ago -4

Iran is truly such a joke of a government. Slightly more than Israel's government and the US government

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Mediocre_Comedian739 1 day ago +4

I’d say it’s the other way around. US & Israel started a war without a plan. Irans had a plan of defence for ages.

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netpres 1 day ago -5

Probably to make sure they don't get caught in an "accidental" Israeli strike. I mean there's a history.

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OneRobato 1 day ago +1

Im beginning to believe that there are bunch of guys claiming that they are Iranian officials. They were the one negotiating with Trump all along. The real Iranian officials in Iran are in some tunnel scratching their heads on this.

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misswildwanderlust88 1 day ago +1

Trump being catfished by people claiming to Iranian officials sounds plausible. That's our reality.

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dontlooktothesky 1 day ago -1

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qsub 1 day ago +1

Probably because they don't want mossad trying to assassinate them.

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Tango-Down-167 1 day ago +1

The Mossad probably knew their itenary before the travelling delegates.

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