I am not expert, but this feels like the sort of thing one should discuss *before* starting a war.
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ogredmenace1 day ago
+11
It’s an excursion?
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Alpacapalooza1 day ago
+3
The recent revelations about how Netanyahu convinced Trump to do it specifically mentioned Tulsi Gabbard being absent, i.e. THE position that is supposed to advise the president on intelligence.
Makes sense when you look at her responses in the senate hearing a few weeks ago.
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SlueCcroll1 day ago
+361
Ah, and that comes after starting a war against them, whilst every soul on this world already knew that.
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WonderfulPotential291 day ago
+110
They knew it before. They warned the president before. But he was like he always is .. "i know better dudes"
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hitbythebus1 day ago
+53
There was a Listnook post like a week in where some random listnookor talked about how f****** stupid it was for Trump to say he destroyed their military and missile capability when they just pull a launcher out of a cave, fire, and put it back.
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
-32
In which case, you just drop a bomb on the entrance and then they've got to dig the thing out again.
Also, you still need to fuel a missile (most of them are liquid-based), raise it to firing position and launch.
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Mecha-Dave1 day ago
+10
Most are solid based. It's only the big ICBMs that are liquid, and even some of those are solid.
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HippyHunter71 day ago
+10
Knowing this administration the probably pulled targets from Google Street view using AI.
Too bad there aren't small random caves in the middle of nowhere labelled on Google maps
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PianistPitiful57141 day ago
+3
Tell me you don’t understand modern combat without saying you don’t understand modern combat.
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razorgoto1 day ago
+1
I can’t tell if u/stephenHunterUK is being sarcastic or not.
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threeme21891 day ago
-7
I don't think it's sarcasm. And I also think he's right.
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min0nim1 day ago
+6
Looks like we’ve got 2 volunteers to go out and find these cave entrances then! Problem solved.
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threeme21891 day ago
+1
That's the kind of thing intelligence agencies are really good at. I'll let the IDF do it's job.
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SgtBaxter22 hr ago
+1
Given the number of missile attacks I see on the live map daily, they don’t seem all that good at it.
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EmbarrassedCockRing1 day ago
+20
I know Iran's military capabilities better than anybody! More than the generals. No one knows their capabilities more than me!
No one knew they'd attack our allies or close the Straight of Hormuz!
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Pariahb1 day ago
+1
And severely damage their bases and assets in the Gulf states.
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AppearanceDizzy70061 day ago
+23
There have been some top US politicians citing that Israel and its powerful American lobby has heavily influenced the president to carryout these attacks. You'll notice that Irans top commanders of country and navy and airforce were taken out within days after the first bombs were dropped. Some weeks later the President went on record saying he was surprised with Irans tough response. This is evidence indicating *the president has miscalculated the Iranian response, the persons influential to the president have not been given him the full picture and he has indeed not listened to the US intelligence community.*
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Shopworn_Soul1 day ago
+23
>the president has miscalculated
The only things the US President has ever calculated correctly in his entire life have been exactly what he needed to say to sway to a legion of yokels to his side and tax fraud schemes.
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AppearanceDizzy70061 day ago
+9
I find it remarkable that someone of his character is the US president
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Shopworn_Soul1 day ago
+22
Unfortunately, as an American, I do not.
He is the natural culmination of the American attitude throughout my entire life. Incredibly ignorant, incredibly selfish and resolutely proud to be both.
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TheNewOP1 day ago
+4
Felt that heavy on the ignorance of the country. For those people, if you have a legitimate criticism of America, whether it's the healthcare system, corruption and the political system, the education system, the electoral college, etc., the default response is "If you don't like it, then just leave!" As if ignoring problems fixes things. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
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Initial_Brush_641 day ago
+6
The remarkable thing is just how stupid the majority of Americans are. They may as well be npcs.
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AGreasyPorkSandwich1 day ago
+2
Social media has destroyed us. It'll get the rest of you at some point too.
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tuneafishy1 day ago
+1
Yeah, we were ahead of the curve for processed foods too. Now all sorts of countries are in that mess
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menntu1 day ago
+2
Believe me, half the country, perhaps a bit more at this point, is utterly boggled by this. You couldn't write a story or show a movie about this administration because it would literally not be credible, and yet here we are. Midterms are our only hope at this point to stop the madness, and things might swing in our favor just enough to blunt the Trump train.
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SlaterVBenedict1 day ago
+1
>*he has indeed not listened to the US intelligence community.*
This was intentional from day one since he got into office even back in his first term. He exists as a chaos agent to weaken the U.S., make us far less safe and more vulnerable to attack and exploitation by bad actors foreign and domestic. He's an evil, self-serving f***, and so is everyone who willingly serves him. If we survive this, we gotta have f****** Nuremberg Trials 2.0.
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whatproblems1 day ago
+2
i bet he said but putin told me
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DigitalMountainMonk1 day ago
+2
He watched a power point from Israel and told us to pound sand when we said everything in it was a fantasy land.
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SourceUnusual24791 day ago
+22
To be fair I’m pretty sure Trump ignored US Intelligence. US intelligence had already told Trump shortly before the war that the US was under no real nuclear threat from Iran.
Trump doesn’t read Intel briefings and thus dates back to his first term.
In short, we are cooked no matter what the Intel says cause Trump goes with “his feelings”.
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Medium_Term34241 day ago
+14
He actually fired iran experts from us intelligence, days before attacking iran. Wonder what their assessment was?
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LeastEntrepreneur8841 day ago
+4
I get your point, but Trump is void of any and all feelings or compassion.
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smallcoder1 day ago
+3
Okay I would say it's his thoughts, but those must just echo around that hanster hair covered cavern.
It's literally - probably - whoever he spoke to within a maximum of 5 minutes (the extent of his memory for anything other than grudges and blood feuds and hatred), or whatever he saw on TV before he was dragged reluctantly into some meeting about something trivial in the middle east.
We are - as a planet - cooked. Vance is literally looking like the sanest option right now. Sheesh!
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End3rWi99in1 day ago
+2
He just listened to all the bluster from all the other countries in the region. We keep pointing at Israel, which is a huge part certainly, but pretty much the entire region has been pushing Trump to do this, and still is.
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lonigus1 day ago
+18
A shocker, right? They were preparing for this in the last 40 years. They have sofisticated ways of using small rocket and drone vehicles popping out of hidden tunnels, shooting and retreating again within minutes. Bomb one entrance shut and there is still 10 other exits.
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
+3
"Scoot-and-shoot" has been a thing for missile launchers since the Scud was introduced in the 1950s. Ultimately, those missiles aren't stopping the US and Israel from bombing freely - the idea is to inflict enough economic damage and general terror to force a ceasefire.
Had Trump not run his mouth off with the threat to end an civilisation, they'd still be being bombed now, probably.
The strategy didn't work for Hitler in 1944-45, or Saddam in 1991.
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Primary-Debate-5491 day ago
-24
But isn't that worse? I mean, what is your story? That Iran wasn't going to use them? That Iran was going to make nukes, has been planning it for 40 years, and then just say "We'll be good friends from now on! Come join the party!"
Obviously that these rockets exist means Iran was going to start a war with gulf countries, shipping in Hormuz strait. More exact, with western oil supplies (because 95% of these rockets can't reach anything else)
-24
my_dixie_wrecked1 day ago
+14
so, by that logic, obviously the US and Israel are very clearly planning to nuke the world.
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Fun-Poet53381 day ago
+8
By that logic, any country with a strong military is just waiting to start a war with other countries lmao. When even North Korea hasn't done anything with their arsenal, how can you even claim to know what Iran was planning?
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emmer1 day ago
+2
Is every country with a strong military also regularly using terrorist proxies to attack their neighbors and also have state sponsored billboards in their capital with the motto “death to x country”? I almost wonder if that could have something to do with it
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rweedn1 day ago
-3
They pretty much are lol don't you think they have a plan made up for every country just in case? 🤦
-3
Appealing_Apathy1 day ago
+12
Iran didn't start the war...
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ye_olde_green_eyes1 day ago
-8
They sort of did by funding a group that attacked Israel a few years ago...
-8
rweedn1 day ago
+7
But they were close to having a nuke in 2 months, 20 years ago? Come on, use that brain of yours......
Isreal caused all this shit too, and dragged trump in by his bollocks
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emmer1 day ago
+4
Damn, you should let the International Atomic Energy Agency know their reports were wrong then
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ye_olde_green_eyes1 day ago
-5
The reason about nukes is like Bush's WMDs: nonsense. Had Israel not been attacked, they wouldn't have gone scorched earth and this wouldn't be happening.
-5
wheres_my_hat1 day ago
+5
Preparing in case you are attacked is different than planning to attack
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IKillZombies4Cash1 day ago
+2
Don’t think of them s as offensive weapons, but as a deterrent.
In a sense they have a non nuclear mutually assured destruction measure in that they can pretty much terminate the global economy and food supply.
This was a massively dumb “war “
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theddj1 day ago
+3
It’s completely made up narrative that they have planned to have a nuke. Yes they have a nuclear program but their leadership has forbidden procuring a weapon, and when the JCPOA was intact there was 100% international scrutiny and surveillance on their nuclear program. If anything, being sabotaged out of good faith negotiations is the thing that would change the status quo and influence them to actually develop a weapon. And as for the gulf, they harbor US bases so having defensive capabilities targeting them is legitimate for their security.
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AppearanceDizzy70061 day ago
+15
If I was to speculate and look at Irans next steps in their defensive plans, the likelihood of Iran desiring a nuclear weapon is now greater than ever given the recent bombardment of their country.
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JStarx1 day ago
+6
Yep, if you don't want a country to have nukes then to start let's not make them think that having nukes is the only way to be safe from foreign aggression.
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theddj1 day ago
+3
It depends on what negotiations can do, because I am willing to bet that they will trade their nuclear program for a new security arrangement in the gulf. Also Russia and china are non-proliferation so they would push Iran towards a non nuclear solution. But if this all goes south they will quickly shift towards development
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AppearanceDizzy70061 day ago
+2
There is a lot to work through when it comes to the negotiations with many independent parties directly and indirectly involved. There are the GCC nations, Iran, Israel and the US who all want varying outcomes. There are also many indirect countries like Lebanon and Palastine, the rest of the Middle East and any county who buys oil from the Middle East. My point here is this: the current US administration have not been strong with international diplomacy since the presidents inauguration last year, Iran are unlikely to make many concessions with their recent traumas of war, and with such a complex set of demands regarding defence and trade, I do not see a great deal progress with these talks in Pakistan. I hope I am wrong, and there is peace but from my logic I perceive this as the most likely outcome.
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theddj1 day ago
+1
Yes those are good points, I only bring up that pressure exists within Iran and its allies to reach a non nuclear solution.
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Gone2131 day ago
+5
The leaders that took over are more extreme than the leaders that were assassinated in February and March.
Iran will increase their research and development of nuclear weapons 10 fold now that they know the US will always go back on their deals if their isnt an immediate nuclear threat.
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77NorthCambridge1 day ago
+1
Been planning it for 34 of those 40 years?
https://youtu.be/Mzmtdwsef8s?si=9879qyc6D1ziTG9B
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End3rWi99in1 day ago
+2
Part of what I believe they were trying to do in the early strikes was to bury those. That means they cannot access them, but they aren't destroyed. It pretty much just kicks a can down field if you can't replace the entire regime with someone less likely to want to use them against you, and therin lies the stupidity of the entire strategy.
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Raise_A_Thoth1 day ago
+141
Lol I though Iran was defeated and thoroughly beaten multiple times?
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Loud_Tank_50741 day ago
+42
Double Obliterated
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liquidsyphon1 day ago
+15
“And we don’t need anyone’s help either!!1!1!1”
(But if you don’t help imma be bigly mad)
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Master-Leopard-78301 day ago
+20
Don't forget the 'regime change'.
The Ayatollah they killed was against nuclear weapons. The one now in place has no such qualms.
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Stargazer1701d1 day ago
+8
And now, thanks to this mess, other countries might well be thinking *they* need nukes, too.
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hitbythebus1 day ago
+16
Lessons Donald is teaching the world:
1) you need nukes.
2) you can’t trust America.
3) it’s totally fine to assassinate world leaders.
I’m sure we won’t regret this
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Fearless-Intern-23441 day ago
+2
The script now is that if you killed XYZ Iranian leader, that counts as regime change. Never mind the fact that their IRGC dictatorship is still in place and that they will rearm the minute the war is over
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ottwebdev1 day ago
+8
Running the country like a c**** tv show. Every week the same script is played out with slight character movement.
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fartsonyourmom1 day ago
+3
Bigly destroyed. The biggliest destroyed the world has ever seen.
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Master-Leopard-78301 day ago
+28
I thought Operation Clusterfuck had decimated Iran leaving only a couple of water pistols and smoke grenades?
Couple that with last year's operation Midnight Hammer-time which completely removed Iran's nuclear capability?
The mightiest military in the world attacked Iran without a day 2 plan, because the idiots in charge did a Putin and thought they could waltz in and perform a 'regime change' in a day.
Waiting for Trump to demand that NATO go in and get the rest of the missile stockpiles 🤡
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FightOnForUsc1 day ago
+12
Must have been using the Roman definition where it means reduced by a 1/10th. So ya know, they still have 90% left
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Adderall_Rant1 day ago
+16
Wouldn't it be easier to release the Epstein files?
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ColdEvenKeeled1 day ago
+19
You'd have thought they would have thought thoughts about that before. Iran has been waiting for the Great Satan to attack for 40 years or so.
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Greensentry1 day ago
+40
One day we are told by US they destroyed all the missiles and the day after we are told they have thousands left. Are they schizophrenic?
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r_spandit1 day ago
+27
No, just f****** liars
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flaviu01031 day ago
+5
To be fair, the US did say they decimated Iran's military. So they might be correct and it was reduced by 10%.
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kosmokramr1 day ago
+7
That’s what happens when you have yes men like hegeseth running the DOD. Guy was a private in the national guard and thinks he’s smarter than career officers. When they disagree with him he fires them. Guy is a complete dingus.
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namotous1 day ago
+6
Unfortunately the non-intelligent crowd runs the country
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backtothetrail1 day ago
+4
The underground missile arsenal that has been wiped out completely at least twice?
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theRealLongJon1 day ago
+5
You mean the missiles that are totally destroyed and obliterated?
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DeepestShallows1 day ago
+3
Big battle of the Somme finding out the shelling hasn’t cleared the German lines energy
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LittleShrub1 day ago
+6
They. Don't. Know. What. They're. Doing.
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Most-Artichoke61841 day ago
+2
I thought Iran’s military was completely obliterated last summer and last month?
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SporksInjected1 day ago
It’s nuts. Speaking of nuts btw, do you know how to make good banana bread?
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Kan4lZ0n31 day ago
+2
You either have a plan and the means to back it up, or you have a “concern” and a shrug.
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ARazorbacks1 day ago
+2
I‘m not sure the US has intelligence anymore.
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Legitimate-Tip-21491 day ago
+6
US.
Intelligence.
Pick one.
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SporksInjected1 day ago
-4
It’s nuts. Speaking of nuts btw, do you know how to make good banana bread?
-4
Legitimate-Tip-21491 day ago
Sadly only the bad kind.
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EconomyDoctor32871 day ago
+5
Why are they concerned. Trump has told us Iran will immediately surrender unconditionally and it has been beaten harder than anyone has ever been beaten in the world
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hitbythebus1 day ago
+1
Right? Who cares if they have missiles when Trump tells us daily they’re begging for a cease fire?
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SP15701 day ago
+2
It turns out that Iran was more prepared for this war than those who started it
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Single-Refuse1741 day ago
+2
Sounds like a puzzle that shouldve been solved before dragging the country into a war?
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LeastEntrepreneur8841 day ago
+2
Quite unfortunate POTUS can't understand intelligence assessments and therefore that information is useless.
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Western-Corner-4311 day ago
+2
But, we were told they were completely wiped out
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nodigit1 day ago
+4
Look at the source. OP’s post is not a reliable source.
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chabawonka1 day ago
+1
Useless article. Just share the WSJ article.
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cosmicrae1 day ago
+1
Iran is, similarly, concerned about WSJ's underground rumor arsenal.
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jaan_dursum1 day ago
+1
I have bad feeling the WMDs aren’t there, guys…
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Glum-Breadfruit-64211 day ago
+1
But…but:.. your dear leader said they obliterated all of them.
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uriejejejdjbejxijehd1 day ago
+1
I mean, nobody could have seen this coming! /s
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Captlard1 day ago
+1
I thought they blew this stuff up 9 months ago?
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SlaterVBenedict1 day ago
+1
But I thought they were wiped out when Trump had the DOD attack them last year?
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Spork_Warrior1 day ago
+1
But the president told me all military weapons have been destroyed, right?
RIGHT?
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t_25_t1 day ago
+1
Only now you’re concerned? Why didn’t you think about that before firing the first missile?
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Incredible_nutt1 day ago
+1
Don‘t worry.. The Trump administration is working hard on eliminating the little rest of intelligence the US has
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_Soup_R_Man_22 hr ago
+1
"Totally Obliterated" (9 months ago - DJT)
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wormtail3911 hr ago
+1
I’m not concerned about the underground missiles at all, I’m sure trump will tell us he’s won again tommorow and that their missiles have been totally destroyed YET AGAIN! lmaoooo what a tosser
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Able_Put49001 day ago
+1
Its weird to think Russia has any capacity to supply anyone with anything considering how much shit Ukraine is giving them.
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Roccosrealm1 day ago
+1
Russia patiently waited while eliminating its most undesirable individuals. Although they didn’t intend to lose as many military personnel as they have, they did want a depopulation event. Russia successfully manipulated its greatest adversary and dismantled America from within.
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Raise_A_Thoth1 day ago
+1
The US has an arsenal of weapons even after bombarding Iran for a month. Iran could very well absorb a lot more bombs and the US could still have more left for a little while. But if this drags out for a year or more, the math isn't there for the US, drones that cost maybe 20k or 200k taking out multi-million dollar missiles is not sustainable for the US.
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lonigus1 day ago
+1
Certainly not enough trying to police the whole world. Iran and Ukraine did teach the big powers a valuable lesson, that the age of old conventional warfare is over. Russias loss of 10 000 tanks or Irans regime grip of power resisting the many thousands of top of the line bombs and tech from the US.
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StephenHunterUK1 day ago
+1
JDAMs are very c**** indeed - Israel's definitely not run out of those even after two years of war against Hamas.
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Commercial-Chest-9921 day ago
+1
Wait, they have *underground missiles*?! Like Dune worms? Oh man.
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CaveManta1 day ago
+1
Desert power
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SporksInjected1 day ago
+1
It’s nuts. Speaking of nuts btw, do you know how to make good banana bread?
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kaminop1 day ago
+1
Mole-Rockets?? .. those *crazy bastards*
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Bishopjones21121 day ago
+1
Ahh no, the president said they had no missile capabilities left.
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jxj241 day ago
Underground missiles?
Iran: "We shall obliterate the mole people!"
\#Death_to_the_mole_people
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holy_cal1 day ago
US Intelligence is a bit of an oxymoron after all the cuts.
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Jiggle_Tester1 day ago
I am sure Ian is also concern about US and Israeli nukes
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plan_with_stan1 day ago
Whatever WSJ… I stopped taking you seriously a long time ago…
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