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Announcements Apr 7, 2010 at 7:35 PM

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Tallon Apr 7, 2010 +23
>We'll probably enable users for this in order of seniority. Or maybe descending karma. Is there a way we can see this list of users sorted by descending karma? Even if it's just the top 100 or so? I'm karma-curious.
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +56
We used to, but people started viciously attacking them, and they started viciously attacking each other. And people would delete all but their top posts, to raise their karma average, and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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oditogre Apr 7, 2010 +1
What about a list of users by descending seniority?
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +6
Also somewhat of a hit on our databases. When I say we're enabling this by seniority or karma, I don't mean we're making a sorted list and going down it; it's more like: if user.karma > 50000: enable_deputy_moderation()
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jdwpom Apr 7, 2010 +10
50k? Aww, I was really looking forward to actually being able to contribute, for the first time ever.
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +5
Well, the number will go down over time, until the entire "if" is removed.
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jdwpom Apr 7, 2010 +2
It's strange. The concept of removing the 'if' sounds a little worrying - the idea that anyone can make an account, and start marking regular content as spam/vice versa just doesn't *sound* safe. At the same time, I suppose that the sheer number of users would outweigh the number of shill accounts. I suppose it's a question of the user:content ratio - a high figure will mean we can let multiple people see an article, and go with the majority after x amount of time. 9 out of ten people say it's not spam, it's not spam, and so on. A low number, though, could result in one douchenozzle seeing it, voting it ok, and it being entered into the main rotation (where, of course, it'll get downvoted into oblivion anyway, in theory.) (Also, I'm curious. How long will 'x amount of time' be? Too long, and it'll still be piled into the new queue, too short and it may not see a reasonable number of eyes). Another ratio to consider, I suppose would be 'users who give a shit:users' - how many people will just ignore/troll the big pink? Sorry, I sound like I'm knocking the idea, when I'm just letting my paranoia get the better of me. I can't see much difference between this and the 'forced new queue' that came in a while ago, (apart from making it more obvious/easier to tell apart from a listnookad) though. I certainly don't see this being detrimental, I just wonder about the implementation, and how we'll (read:you'll) prevent opportunities for abuse occurring. (God, I sound like a d***. The tl;dr is 'This is cool, care to discuss what can go wrong?'. It sounds a little attacky, and it's not meant to be)
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +3
> It's strange. The concept of removing the 'if' sounds a little worrying - the idea that anyone can make an account, and start marking regular content as spam/vice versa just doesn't sound safe. It's not. Hence: http://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/bnskk/youve_just_been_drafted/c0nob3g?context=3
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superdug Apr 7, 2010 +12
So let me get this straight ... you're going to give karmanaut a gun?
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +3
If your looking for users in Australia, there aren't going to be a lot of us with over 50,000 submission karma, the only one I can think of off the top of my head would be AndrewInMelbourne, and he only just makes the cut with 52,000. I've been here over two years and still only have 17,000 comment karma. The downside of living in the most awesome country ever is that your comments are rarely made when the Americans are there to upvote.
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jman583 Apr 7, 2010 +1
Will the karma be link karma + comment karma? Or just link karma?
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brainburger Apr 7, 2010 +1
50,000 seems a lot. I like to think I am a 'good' listnookor, but I only have 21,000 after 3 years. These days it is possible to gain a lot of karma from a few very popular submissions, but consistently helpful activity accrues karma more slowly.
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Hideous Apr 7, 2010 +1
Can we atleast have a way of viewing our *own* top-scoring comments and submissions? :)
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brainburger Apr 7, 2010 +1
I'd love to see some anonymous data, perhaps rounded for privacy. For example, how many users have over 100,000 karma?
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Tallon Apr 7, 2010 +51
This is why we can't have nice things. :( Thanks for the response.
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jedberg Apr 7, 2010 +16
If I recall, you were on that list when they started getting attacked and attacking each other... :P
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maxwellhill Apr 8, 2010 +3
Lol, I am sure you remember [ousama](http://www.listnook.com/r/listnook.com/comments/cqbh/how_i_earned_my_way_to_the_top_of_listnook/ccqd5) and _kam0_ who were battling it out for #1 spot.
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uriman Apr 7, 2010 +169
How will you stop spammers setting up shill accounts to label their spam as not spam? I suggest only accounts older than 3 months can label spam.
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NoMoreNicksLeft Apr 7, 2010 +1
Only accounts older than 3 years should be able to do this.
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ElkFlipper Apr 7, 2010 +19
Ehh, a time-based solution would incentivize creating a lot of zombie accounts now and waiting. The final algorithm would probably include some sort of activity measure.
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NoMoreNicksLeft Apr 7, 2010 +19
For 3 years?
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +8
/me prepares to make some cash on old unused sock puppets.
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +13
The selection and assignment process is several hundred lines of code.
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +399
With the code I've been working on for the last six months. :)
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SputnikKore Apr 7, 2010 +19
You wouldn't have any problem releasing the code since Listnook is open source right?
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +108
From [day 1 of being open source](http://blog.listnook.com/2008/06/listnook-goes-open-source.html), we've made an exception for a subset of our countermeasures: > There are a few portions of the code that we're keeping to ourselves, mostly related to anti-cheating/spam protection. However, none of the deputy moderation code is (at least at the moment) in the "private" slice of the listnook codebase, so it'll be included in the next public release.
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supaphly42 Apr 8, 2010 +14
You're both an S and an A in this post... I kinda feel like I'm talking to god. Btw, sorry for making you kill all those kittens.
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[deleted] Apr 8, 2010 +3
He's an S, A and F to me
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Sithsteen Apr 8, 2010 +7
...E...T...Y...You can dance if you want to, you can leave your friends behind...
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OHMYGODABUNNY Apr 8, 2010 +8
Nice try, corporate spam machine.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +8
Why not make some IP blacklists as well?
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +51
We don't discuss details of which countermeasures we may or may not have or be planning.
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legokid201 Apr 8, 2010 +2
An IP Blacklist would not be the best of ideas because I work in a call center with over 4000 computers on this floor alone and I bet a lot of people go on listnook and blocking the 1 IP address that the ISP gave us at this point in time would be bad. And besides most ISP use DHCP which renews/changes your IP address after a certain amount of time and someone else is assigned that IP address.
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Mutiny32 Apr 7, 2010 +6
Can you at least confirm/deny rumored experimentation of proposed PoIP (Punch-over-IP) or SITFoIP protocols?
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ketralnis Apr 7, 2010 +10
I can confirm that we've worked on a prototype and that unfortunately it will never come to market. The problem was selling the actual punching peripherals.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +7
Hmmm... :-) Seriously though. This is a fantastic feature. /r/reportthespammers will love it.
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mogmog Apr 8, 2010 +1
Why has it taken so long? What was most problematic? How much time have you spent on your existing filters? PS. From the screenshot it looks pretty simple. ;-)
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jstddvwls Apr 8, 2010 +2
I told you: use bell weather trophy code (what the f***, you accidentally did something useful!) and apply it to how accurate you predict spam, and weight the spam rating per user that way. Slashdot do it, you do it to some degree, it it trickier. I don't like how listnook has no established 'this is an unmoderated sublistnook' feature, or 'this sublistnook is moderated for: [items]' so you know what you are getting into. F*** anyone who doesn't think this is important. It just makes sense.
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NeilNeilOrangePeel Apr 8, 2010 +1
I hope the spam/no-spam decision is not based on one single random listnookor's 'vote'. Pick any random listnookor and you're going to find some ideological biases that might effect their decision to classify something as 'off-topic'/spam/blogspam. Hopefully it is 2/3 or something.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +345
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DubBucket Apr 7, 2010 +76
errr...
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uriman Apr 7, 2010 +22
Is it based on the April Fool's admin power that showed % chance of being a shill/d*****? Tell us of this secret code.
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ketralnis Apr 7, 2010 +104
No, that was all fools-related, we don't actually have any of those buttons or super-powers from the UI
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KeyserSosa Apr 7, 2010 +94
Well, at least ketralnis doesn't. *ssshhhhh!*
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +43
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oriaw Apr 8, 2010 +10
Why would anybody choose to use only stars as a password?
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nopodcast Apr 7, 2010 +8
anybody care to explain to me what just happened here? > ketralnis@listnook_server4:~$ sudo coolUIStuff Password: hunter2 Permission Denied. User ketralnis is not on the sudoers list. This incident will be reported. and he's banned...what happened?
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keeganspeck Apr 8, 2010 +4
Woah! Speaking of admin privileges, I ninjabanned you on the 1st and it has your name all faded and crossed out, with (ninjabanned) next to it! I didn't know those were maintained! Edit: http://imgur.com/ZOQlz.png
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ketralnis Apr 8, 2010 +7
That was a [prank](http://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/stylesheet.css) raldi played on me :) But wait, you ninja-banned me? What did I do to you?
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tonynojutsu Apr 7, 2010 +1
Wait, so what are you going to do 3 months ahead? Can't spammers set up an account and wait three months?
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +16
The fact that any given user will only see a tiny fraction of all submissions should help.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +22
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +44
F*** you, I wont do what you tell me!
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +59
Keep on raging.
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kisielk Apr 7, 2010 +12
So Listnook's moderation system is slowly turning in to slashdot's huh? Not that it's necessarily a bad thing.
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +11
It's been five years since I actively used Slashdot, so maybe I'm out of date here, but what do you mean? As I remember it, on Slashdot users were given a certain number of moderations, and could use them anywhere they wanted. And they were more like listnook's voting arrows than the upcoming spam / kosher buttons -- their purpose was to rate content quality and push good things to the top, not remove spam. One of the most important tenets of listnook's deputy moderation is that you can't choose what you get to deputy-moderate (or how often). Just like how when you get assigned to real-life jury duty, you don't get to pick your trial and you can't just show up at court unless you've been summoned.
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oditogre Apr 7, 2010 +7
I haven't used Slashdot much recently, but from what I remember: There are two different kinds of moderation on Slashdot. You seem to be thinking of 'normal' moderation, which allows you to moderate a set number of comments per day (only on stories you haven't commented on yourself, though) +/- a point and assign a rating (funny, troll, flamebait, informative, etc.). What kisielk was talking about, I think, was *meta*moderation on Slashdot. A random bunch of recently active users who have been on the site a decent length of time and have good karma are picked to metamoderate every so often. You're given a big list of a bunch of comments that *other* people have moderated, and you select whether the moderation was fair / good or not (e.g., if somebody moderates a GNAA post "insightful", you should select that the moderation was unfair.) It helps the system sort of learn who is good at moderating and who isn't.
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Xiol Apr 7, 2010 +6
Slashdot had quite an active community for many years before the Web 2.0 sites like listnook and digg came along. I'm not saying it's perfect, but Slashdot have had all these issues before and for a long time. They've come up with some pretty innovative solutions.
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oditogre Apr 7, 2010 +3
Yeah, I've been using Slashdot for quite a long time now (my user number isn't bragging-rights low, but I'm starting to pretty consistently see people with numbers 3x higher, heh). It's maybe not as active as it used to be and I've been spending much more time on Listnook the last few years, but it's definitely still a solid community, and probably well worth looking at to find ideas for solutions to these types of problems.
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DTanner Apr 7, 2010 +5
Will we see this if we have "compress the link display" enabled?
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +2
Yes, but I can't guarantee we'll take the time to make a compressed style for the pink box. At least, not as a priority.
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DTanner Apr 7, 2010 +4
Oh, and while you're here, what % of Listnook users have "compress the link display" checked? I hope you never stop support of this feature; the default Listnook page when I'm not logged in makes me puke.
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +12
Almost every account that existed before the change chose to keep things the way they were used to them. But among users who joined the site after that day in 2006, more than 99.9% of them use the normal, uncompressed view. It made me puke too, until I forced myself to switch over for a few days, and now the old one makes me puke. People hate change; go figure.
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jack2454 Apr 7, 2010 +3
this may work like the downvote thing works on listnook. people will start calling the things they don't like spam. so do you have a plan for this raldi????
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +12
Yes, or else we would have released something half-assed years ago.
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oditogre Apr 7, 2010 +1
You didn't mind doing that with the search feature. /Sorry, couldn't resist. You guys are great. :P
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fireburt Apr 7, 2010 +6
I like the part where you said you have spent about a year working on this and people are asking if you guys have come up with solutions to the usual problems.
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Splatterh0use Apr 7, 2010 +5
Kosher? Can't it just be "OK"?
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +3
We did that originally. In testing, when shown spam, people would first click [spam] and then click [okay], thinking it was a submit button.
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radix2 Apr 8, 2010 +4
Spam/Valid Submission? EDIT: for the record, I don't have a problem clicking on "Kosher" even though I am an atheist. I just wonder if it is a culturally biased option. I could ask 20 of my friends here in OZ, and only a few would get the intention...
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jvotto19 Apr 7, 2010 +2
Pink instead of blue or orangered??? What????
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +5
It's orthogonal to the up and down arrows. You can mark something as kosher and then downvote it, if you're a responsible deputy.
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ih8evilstuff Apr 7, 2010 +3
I'm confused about this solution, as it gives spammers *more* incentive to spam. "If I keep posting spam articles from my hundreds of accounts, eventually one of them will hit prime placement at the top of the page, where someone will look at it." How is this different than creating a banner ad placement at the top of the page and letting anyone post a text ad for free?
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Spirkus Apr 7, 2010 +1
How often will we be seing these? Will there be a way to, if I was in a good mood, request to see a pink box on every page? I'm assuming there would be a minimum frequency we'd see them.
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +4
Absolutely not. See last paragraph: http://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/bnskk/youve_just_been_drafted/c0nofny?context=3
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +5
I'm sorry, "New Zealish"? I'd never realized how difficult it is to fit our country's name into a sentence like that.
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Baukelien Apr 7, 2010 +2
If I might suggest a simple measure to stop complaining about the spamfilter. 'Reset' submissions when you take them out of the spamfilter. Currently the damage done by a false positive is unrepairable, but if you simply pretend it is submitted the moment it is released from the spamfilter so it shows up in the new queue no harm is done. edit When I think about how easy this idea is I can't be the only one who thought it up. So then my question becomes why did you decide against implementing it?
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guitarromantic Apr 7, 2010 +1
One thing: maybe make the headline of the spam less prominent. Who knows what my cow-orkers will think I'm browsing.
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artee Apr 7, 2010 +1
Great! Though I wonder, what will prevent spammers from using the moderation system to mark their own stuff as "not spam" using several accounts on different IP's? OK I read elsewhere in this thread that you won't discuss counter-measures, which makes sense. I'm sure you've thought of this in any case ;)
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kloo2yoo Apr 7, 2010 +45
I am a x. Can I mark all Y as spam, where x = | y = ------------- | ------------- rebublican|democrat democrat|republican homophobe|homosexual dog|cat Martian|Venitian Pro-martian venitian|confused Venusian MRA| anti-MRA Feminist|anti-feminist
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itsnotlupus Apr 7, 2010 +8
If I was writing this code, I'd most certainly have a feedback loop so that the accuracy of your past markings influences the odds of getting another shot at it. So yes, you can, but probably not for very long.
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Xiol Apr 7, 2010 +3
The sensible thing (I'm sure they're doing this) is to have, say, 4 people shown the same link and at least 3 of them have to vote it as spam for it to get shitcanned. This should prevent abuse (i.e. shitcanning all positive religious stories, because we know how much listnook loves those). Or you could go the same way as Slashdot and introduce some sort of meta-moderation, where people moderate the moderators...
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milkywayer Apr 7, 2010 +18
how the eff did you draw a table in there :O plz haalp, want to do
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kloo2yoo Apr 7, 2010 +23
(omit beginning spaces) heading 1 | heading 2 -------------|---------- cell1|cell2 cell3|cell4 renders heading1|heading2 -------------|---------- cell1|cell2 cell3|cell4 don't skip lines. also note that that's a vertical bar (pipe), not a letter, and that those are dashes.
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[deleted] Apr 8, 2010 +10
radioactive | sausage | Turbo -----------|--------|--------- Uranium|Bratwurst|Yellow Submarine Tritium|Pepperoni|Qirex
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milkywayer Apr 7, 2010 +17
Japanese | Smilie -------|-------- arigato! | :D
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pastanoose Apr 7, 2010 +6
subject | antithesis ------------------|------------------ love|hate peace|war pedobear|geribear
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EatSleepJeep Apr 8, 2010 +3
action|response ------|------ We're Westward bound|bow down We come to your town|bow down We're not a hater like you|bow down We're greater than you|bow down
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +238
What if the article is a recipe for beef yogurt? I couldn't in good conscience mark that as "kosher."
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +75
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ShesGotSauce Apr 8, 2010 +4
ADMINS: Please replace the green "kosher" button with a jpg of a pickle. As follows: http://imgur.com/85P57.jpg Edit: Y'know, you could just make it lunch: http://imgur.com/FmJ8t.jpg But seriously. Use the pickle.
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Azured Apr 7, 2010 +15
My god, he's right.
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diamond Apr 7, 2010 +9
And what if someone posts [this](http://www.spam.com/recipes/default.aspx)?
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +8
Wow! The [possibilities](http://www.spam.com/products/spamwithcheese.aspx) are [endless!](http://www.spam.com/products/spamwithbacon.aspx)
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feureau Apr 8, 2010 +3
Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;
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iamtotalcrap Apr 7, 2010 +10
ha... so when are you guys going to roll out meta-moderation then? ;) Not sure if you are aware, but another counter measure slashdot uses is to check if the person is using an anonymous proxy. Basically, if the system thinks you might be a spammer, it will request [/ok.txt](http://slashdot.org/ok.txt) from its own site using the IP address of the submitter as a proxy. If it gets the file then the submitter is using an anonymous proxy and is blocked.
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somn Apr 7, 2010 +364
Holy c***, they make V***** watches, now? And I can get a d*******? Oh, hell yeah, sign me up.
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KeyserSosa Apr 7, 2010 +21
You'll probably hardly use it.
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raldi Apr 7, 2010 +45
I tried to sell those guys some listnook ad space, but they stiffed me.
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MrSurly Apr 7, 2010 +687
"What time is it? Let me check my watch. Just as I thought: Time To F***."
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disco_biscuit Apr 7, 2010 +328
"Time to F***" ... is this when the big hand touches the little hand?
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kikaroa Apr 7, 2010 +610
Only in the Vatican.
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disco_biscuit Apr 7, 2010 +83
Just the Vatican? You obviously haven't been to Boston. Or Chicago. Or... wait, what's this? A [Wikipedia list of Catholic abuse cases](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country)?
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lurkerr Apr 7, 2010 +19
WOW that must be the "short" list! Where i live there have been a few reported cases and it's not on that list.
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grimboy Apr 7, 2010 +40
>*This list is [incomplete](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Lists#Incomplete_lists); you can help by [expanding it](http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country&action=edit).*
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jstddvwls Apr 8, 2010 +8
Click here to apply to the Catholic Church.
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JokeOverExplainer Apr 7, 2010 +69
HAHA GET IT BECAUSE CATHOLIC PRIESTS HAVE A LONG AND EGREGIOUS HISTORY OF KID F******.
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WhyWouldISayThat Apr 7, 2010 +16
EGREGIOUS: adjective 1 outstandingly bad; shocking : egregious abuses of copyright. 2 archaic remarkably good.
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299 Apr 7, 2010 +5
I was in High School when the first stories of the priests/boys scandals were surfacing. I went to a private Catholic High School. One day in Theology my teacher was beaming over some Yellow Roses that were sent to him. I was promptly thrown out of class (quite literally) when I asked if they were from the Bishop. So worth it.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +26
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DarkShadowFox Apr 7, 2010 +22
"It's Six O'C***..."
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Uranium234 Apr 7, 2010 +21
My c*** just went from six to midnight
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irascible Apr 7, 2010 +14
It's about f****** time.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +70
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danuker Apr 7, 2010 +10
I'm sure they use advanced Artificial Intelligence to detect your mis-clicking and punish you.
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nikpappagiorgio Apr 7, 2010 +13
death by v***** watches!
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supaphly42 Apr 8, 2010 +5
I read that as "and punch you" and it felt more right that way.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +10
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mennonite Apr 7, 2010 +13
"Since this is an emergency, all robots will now have their patriotism circuits activated." "It is every robot's duty to give his life for the good of humanity... Aw c***."
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oditogre Apr 7, 2010 +6
Are you a real mennonite? Where do you people learn to make such tasty baked goods?
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cortejri Apr 7, 2010 +84
I will help you so long as I get discounted v***** as promised.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +39
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Hoobam Apr 8, 2010 +11
!!
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +2
I dont see why you don't start using captchas for new submissions.
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digital0129 Apr 7, 2010 +11
I am deeply disturbed by the admins use of "New Zealish"!! Clearly they are just American and can't understand that the only way to refer to people from New Zealand is "New Zealanders", or "kiwis". :-P
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tjragon Apr 7, 2010 +2
Deeply disturbed? I find it refreshingly exotic, "kiwi" is alright but "New Zealander" is so boring. Now we just have to decide if it rhymes with "bee", "bell" or "seal". edit: I take it back, I hate it. Have been saying it over and over in my head and it sounds ridiculous, we gotta find this raldi guy and teach him a lesson!
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Istrom Apr 7, 2010 +5
I ctrl-f'ed kiwi, just to make sure I didn't have to post the first comment about it. I mean, that sounds like a kind of relish more than a nationality.
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Mr_Bog Apr 7, 2010 +10
It's not the only way, if the person is famous or successful they can be called Australian.
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snowball666 Apr 7, 2010 +55
You can count on me. Finally a draft I don't have to dodge.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +21
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +17
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +38
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salvadorwii Apr 7, 2010 +21
I paid with all my diggs, and came here in one of those trucks which they use to smuggle content from listnook all the nights
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Digipete Apr 8, 2010 +6
If you people only knew about all of the farking I had to do to make the money to come over here.
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[deleted] Apr 8, 2010 +7
I moved here from Slashdot. The taxes were outrageous! But I miss the socialized healthcare.
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jotux Apr 7, 2010 +648
I'm going to listnook.ca to avoid the draft.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +35
[removed]
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bobcat Apr 8, 2010 +6
http://whois.domaintools.com/listnook.ca
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RedditPatriot Apr 7, 2010 +71
"Everyone's a pacifist between wars. It's like being a vegetarian between meals." -- Listnook Patriot
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neshcom Apr 7, 2010 +135
.ca's so cold. I'm going to listnook.mx
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +51
In [/r/Mexico](http://listnook.com/r/Mexico) you will always be welcome.
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lolbacon Apr 7, 2010 +160
Until someone kidnaps or deletes your account.
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trolloc1 Apr 7, 2010 +111
They don't delete your entire account. Just your account kidneys.
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shakeyjake Apr 7, 2010 +79
in /r/Russia Spam Draft You!
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Azured Apr 8, 2010 +13
If I go to Russia and get drafted as spam will I get into Raldi's pink box?
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +11
Dude, all those posts are by the same guy.
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facetheglue Apr 7, 2010 +29
That's because everyone else moved to [/r/America](http://www.listnook.com/r/America)
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DrReddits Apr 7, 2010 +40
Dey tuk er links!
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Azured Apr 7, 2010 +13
You damned draft dodger. If everyone behaved like you we would have a world filled with v***** watch... carry on.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +28
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ketralnis Apr 7, 2010 +29
You'll have to cut your hair. I've never seen a deputy so unkempt.
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krispykrackers Apr 7, 2010 +24
The sign said "Long haired freaky people need not apply" :'(
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ketralnis Apr 7, 2010 +8
[First of all, no it didn't](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltpsPsj2jzU). You're lying. No sign ever said that ever. You're trying to get people angry at something you made up.
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ntlane2004 Apr 7, 2010 +64
From the size of your staff crowdsourcing is the way to go.
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fishbert Apr 8, 2010 +2
The 'report' button is crowdsourcing. This is just forcing everyone to look at only the bad portion of the 'new queue'. Hell, if I were a spammer, I'd probably love this because listnook will be giving me a prominent position on the front page. It's like the ad on the right, but I didn't have to pay for it! ------- Here's a better idea… The admins seem to suggest that, once you hit the 'report' button, an admin or a moderator has to look at the report (and everyone else's who hit that button on something) and make a 'yes' or 'no' decision one by one. That's inefficient and doesn't scale well. **Instead of pushing the spam on everyone as an advert, why not automate that 'yes' or 'no' decision from the report feature?** You know, like how craigslist handles it with user flags. I'm pretty sure they don't have a physical person looking at everything that gets flagged. It's an algorithm based on how many flags a post gets maybe over some period of time. That way, you're not actively pushing the spam at everyone, and stuff will get reported and removed as people come across them naturally (and without eating up all the time our admins/mods put in to the site).
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isorfir Apr 7, 2010 +91
That's...not what she said?
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Azured Apr 7, 2010 +14
Oh yea she did. I've been to your parties.
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Kylde Apr 8, 2010 +1
would have been nice to have had a heads-up about this ;)
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +20
*Sees picture of V***** Pills* *Sees post indicating I am being drafted* *Sees Admin red lettering* *Doesnt see NSFW warning* *Clicks on link to see if an erection will be mandatory to read listnook in the future...*
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bombita Apr 7, 2010 +44
Please don't use the word Kosher for 'not-spam'. It doesn't have a clear meaning that it is safe (many of us don't live among large or active jewish populations) so the term sounds very strange. Please just say 'no-spam', 'clear' or 'worthy'. I know it is not even a reality that filter, but I am just voicing my opinion before it goes live.
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EatSleepJeep Apr 7, 2010 +46
I vote for the word **Copacetic** instead. It just fits here. co·pa·cet·ic /ˌkoʊpəˈsɛtɪk, -ˈsitɪk/ [koh-puh-set-ik, -see-tik] *adjective* Slang. fine; completely satisfactory; OK.
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knome Apr 7, 2010 +6
Not all material that isn't spam is safe either. However, things which are Kosher have a very low chance of being a can of ground hog meat. So it kind of works.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +73
Downvoted, clearly spam.
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melanthius Apr 7, 2010 +29
Shill account, 93% certain.
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krazykipa- Apr 7, 2010 +24
Guys, I though we were over this. Ninjabanned.
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quasiperiodic Apr 7, 2010 +5
wth is a ninjaban!? is this a real thing or something listnook admins made up??
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mccoyn Apr 8, 2010 +3
It is a tool the admins have for dealing with trolls. They ninja ban the user. That user can still post and vote on stuff, but the only person who can see those posts or votes is the person who made them. Effectively banned, but without telling the person.
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rolmos Apr 7, 2010 +3
COuld listnook give me their opinion about sublistnooks that exist for the sole purpose of publishing every article posted by some domains? I mean site 'fakenewsandviagra.com' creating a /r/fakenewsandviagra for linking to all articles from that site. [I submit regularly to /r/reportthespammers](http://www.listnook.com/user/rolmos/submitted/), but don't know whether to report sites like those (a few celebrity news sites come to mind). Also, can listnook ban entire domains from ever being linked to if a site uses the common technique of creating one account per article for a spammy site constantly? I see this more and more often. I know a competitor of a site could publish articles from the legit site in a spammy way to try to get them banned, but maybe IP banning could help. EDIT: Also, should I consider [submitters like these spammers (nsfw)](http://www.listnook.com/user/anoniguy)? This guy is only linking to a specific site (probably his) and only writes small comments for THOSE submissions. No community participation either.
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nolander Apr 7, 2010 +122
Awesome. When do I get my gun?
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KeyserSosa Apr 7, 2010 +82
It's more of a taser.
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nolander Apr 7, 2010 +16
One of the ones that I can shoot at people?
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PhilxBefore Apr 7, 2010 +62
Yes, a gun that shoots taser guns at people.
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Azured Apr 7, 2010 +16
Do the taser guns also shoot taser guns? This thing could have some wicked range.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +13
Come on. Let us shoot.
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jmone Apr 7, 2010 +4
> and has been in our dreams since forever (listnook admins have weird dreams). Speaking of dreams, I had a weird one last night where I was driving my car from the backseat. It was very scary as I couldn't see the road very well. I'm glad someone else is having weird dreams too.
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CraigTorso Apr 7, 2010 +3
surely the system should start throwing out all the "power users" who have thousands of submission karma and very little comment karma. At first glance they look like useful listnookors, but surely the only reason anyone would submit more than they comment is because they've got a vested interest in the submissions. Anyone who has far greater submission karma than comment karma isn't really an active member of the community, it probably means they're SEOs. Also, anyone who has more than 20% of their posts from threads they submitted should be given a stern looking at. I had to stop subscribing to report the spammers after a while, spotting them wasn't tricky but too many of the same offenders kept on cropping up, being reported and never being deleted.
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +53
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +54
I'd imagine that if a posts from a domain are consistently marked as spam, then eventually that domain will get marked as spam.
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willis77 Apr 7, 2010 +6
I would guess that is part of the machine learning behind the spam filter. I didn't write the code, but I would assume they use the domain as a factor in the final "spam score".
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illskillz Apr 7, 2010 +10
What if a topic is clearly posted in the wrong sublistnook? It would then be classified as off-topic. Is it a good idea to report this as "offtopic/spam" or should I just downvote?
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demented_pants Apr 7, 2010 +6
In cases like this I'd say you should downvote, maybe with an explanation of why. Spam is for things like v***** watches and low-cost russian brides (unless this is /r/mailorderbrides).
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Wavicle Apr 7, 2010 +3
This is a good idea in principle, but... What happens when someone posts a link to a scholarly research article on the physics of how an airplane really can cause a pancaking collapse of a large building, but all the 9/11 conspiracy theorists out there start marking it as spam? What about when someone posts a link to a pro-circumcision article and the anti-circ crowd starts marking it as spam? There's enough people who use the down vote to say "I don't like what you have to say." How do we prevent this from being used in the same manner?
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[deleted] Apr 7, 2010 +6
This seems like a extremely well thought out solution. Thank you for not only keeping listnook spam free, but giving us the power to solve our own problems.
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stfusnow Apr 7, 2010 +36
We just got "voluntold"
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ApatheticAgnostic Apr 7, 2010 +4
*We're going to deploy this change very slowly and carefully, since it could kill the site in about seventy-three different complex ways* Think of it as the Large Hadron Collider of the internet. One small calculation error could open a black hole!
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audioverb Apr 7, 2010 +13
Awesome. Really innovative solution to a unbelievably pervasive problem. Thanks Listnook admins!
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ropers Apr 7, 2010 +12
"Kosher" is a [neat](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kosher) choice of words. [I approve of this.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher#cite_ref-Partridge_1-0) However, in the interest of interfaith relations, I suggest that during the month of [Ramadan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan) the buttons be labelled "[haraam](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4ar%C4%81m)" and "[halal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal)", respectively.
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LordVoldemort Apr 8, 2010 +7
In other words, it's a stupid choice of words.
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JoshTheGoat Apr 7, 2010 +3
As a mod, when I view the spam filter link on my sublistnook, will the spam include some sort of an indication as to what percentage of people have voted something as actually spam? Or will the submitted link simply leave the spam filter once enough people say that it's not spam? Will the mod have the power to overrule a decision and still mark a certain link as spam?
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ButchCassidy Apr 7, 2010 +1
Can I get off if I'm gay or shot off my pinky or I'm just generally against, erm, blocking spam?
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redditmoniker Apr 8, 2010 +9
How about a different word than kosher? That word is very...uh...Jewish? Let the downvotes commence.
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NoMoreNicksLeft Apr 7, 2010 -4
The slashdotization of listnook continues. Hey raldi, when are you going stop using wordpress and use your own listnook software to make these annoucements? Do you guys have some sort of self-esteem problem where you feel listnook's not good enough to blog on?
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ElkFlipper Apr 7, 2010 +9
Hold on, let me embed an image real quick in this post: __ __ __ \ / __ / \ | / \ \|/ _,.---v---._ /\__/\ / \ \_ _/ / \ \ \_| @ __| hjw \ \_ `97 \ ,__/ / ~~~`~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~~~~ Awesome.
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indigo-alien Apr 7, 2010 +3
Can we have a way to mark multiple posts about daily events that are just not needed? The New channel gets downright useless the day any celebrity gets arrested/married/dies/etc...
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