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Helicopternoises Mar 28, 2026 +630

Why would anyone trust a "US Guarantee"?

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pessimistkonsulenten Mar 28, 2026 +124

It's on par with a solid schmaybe.

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DisasterNo1740 Mar 28, 2026 +84

Under Trump there is no reason to. Especially when whatever guarantee the U.S is trying to offer is likely some form of the coalition of the willing putting troops on the ground and America sits idly by with a promise to get involved if Russia does a no no. Ukraine would probably be a bit more on board if that commitment (even under Trump) involved actual u.s soldiers on the ground as that creates real stakes for the U.S, but we all know Trump would never do that. In part because he outright hates Zelensky, and if he can f*** over Ukraine to hurt Zelensky he will do it 1000 times over.

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NMe84 Mar 28, 2026 +82

Now that Trump has shown us that a guarantee means nothing, even after Trump a US guarantee will mean nothing anymore. Everyone they might want to make a deal with will always know that the US is one election away from the president wiping his ass on any agreement. The US will not be trusted again for many decades, even when Trump is gone.

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musty_mage Mar 28, 2026 +27

The shitsipping US electorate has shown the World just how deluded, idiotic, and easily grifted they are. It will take at least a few generations or a total election system overhaul for anyone (including themselves) to ever trust their judgment again.

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PersonalHospital9507 Mar 28, 2026 +10

It will take a few generations of genetic engineering to get the stupid gene out of the herd.

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Forikorder Mar 29, 2026 +8

their entire system needs to be overhauled and all "gentlemens agreements" replaced with real rules

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Scedasticity1 Mar 28, 2026 +9

It's no longer about Trump. They elected him twice; even after seeing four years of his presidency, seeing him try desperately to cling to power, and seeing him go much crazier the second time around, they gave him a second term. And now almost the entire congressional arm of the republican party is backing him to the hilt. Trump is clearly the symptom at this point, not the underlying problem.

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PersonalHospital9507 Mar 28, 2026 +11

It is all personal with Trump. The US National Security Interests do not overlap with Trumps give a shit about sphere.

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DisasterNo1740 Mar 28, 2026 +29

I still don't know why people don't recognize the real reason for Trump f****** Ukraine over: Zelensky and Ukraine did not play ball during trumps first term, and it led to the impeachment. Trumps most consistent behavior and characteristic is how vindictive and vengeful he is. He WILL go after you with whatever means he has if you went against him or did not support him the way he wanted you to.

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pjdonovan Mar 28, 2026 +3

Totally agree. I've thought that for years now, it's the only thing that makes his actions make sense. I stopped watching gerdes because he was such a maga/trump supporter he couldn't contemplate trump being vindictive, every time trump literally didn't shit on ukraine "Trump's turned the corner". Nope, that (first) impeachment was on par with Mueller and we know what he said about Muellers death...

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PastTomorrows Mar 29, 2026 +3

I completely agree! People go deep into conspiracy territory to avoid the two obvious and simplest explanations to Trump's behavior. These are: - He's an authoritarian at heart, and therefore feels sympathetic towards other "strong men". - Specifically in the case of Ukraine, he resents Zelensky for not, like you said, "playing ball", and accepting to dig or make up dirt on Biden in exchange for weapons. It's just weird.

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AlexandbroTheGreat Mar 29, 2026 +2

Literally everything with Trump can be explained with personal/psychological motives.

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Roach27 Mar 28, 2026 +10

Put US bases in Ukraine and you can trust it. And I mean REAL bases, because the one thing that unifies Americans not matter how fragmented is getting attacked. If you have an installation with thousands of us solders, it effectively means the us will be drawn into any conflict. Of course Russia would never agree to that.

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samfynx Mar 29, 2026 +4

There were american bases in Afghanistan. Until there were not.

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Roach27 Mar 29, 2026 +2

Different when it’s a friendly country with geopolitical value (see Okinawa)

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beefstake Mar 29, 2026 +3

US bases would never work, Russia invaded on the principle that Ukraine previously acted as a buffer but was now on the path to become EU/NATO. There is a world where Chinese bases could work. Russia can't afford to attack China. China probably wouldn't agree to that though due to cost and animosity it would generate with Russia who they still need for energy right now. Then again, a compromise that makes noone happy is usually a good compromise.

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ButterscotchTop194 Mar 29, 2026 +2

Trump would never agree to that, precisely because Russia would never agree to that.

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Reasonable_One_1809 Mar 28, 2026 +2

Because there is no point in just EU guarantees.

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Major_Wayland Mar 28, 2026 +13

In fact, there is no EU security guarantees at all, except for supply/support obligations. EU dont want to get themselves involved without the US.

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thejuva Mar 28, 2026 +1

Because Trump said so. You know, it’s the biggest guarantee ever given. Many people have said it. It’s the best guarantee you can ever have. Actually it’s the Big Beautiful Guarantee. Women, tv, cofveve.

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d_e_l_u_x_e Mar 29, 2026 +1

Only if you paid enough for your bribe.

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Such_wow1984 Mar 28, 2026 -4

I mean, I suppose it’s better than them trusting Britain again.

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Big_Introduction1952 Mar 28, 2026 +118

Security guarantees under Trump are worthless. He has screwed Ukraine over plenty and is cozying up to Putin. Nobody believes Trump.

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lazypeon19 Mar 29, 2026 +6

Which are basically the security guarantees of America every 4 years or so, because they'll want another leader similar to Trump who would just back out of any deal they already made. Why would anyone seal a security deal with a country that goes crazy every few years?

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supercyberlurker Mar 28, 2026 +202

Zelenskyy has near infinite credibility relative to Trump. Trump is the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Zelenskyy is Peter trying to kill the wolf.

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Zefixius Mar 28, 2026 +60

If it’s Zelenskyy’s word against Rubio’s, we know who to believe

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o_MrBombastic_o Mar 28, 2026 +25

Problem is Trumps still going to believe Putin

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FaxOnFaxOff Mar 28, 2026 +5

I think we know.

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SpatulaWholesale Mar 28, 2026 +97

Ukraine is holding its own against the US's largest *strategic* adversary of 70+ years, diminishing their stockpiles, and delivering a *Christmas present* to the US's and NATO's long term security. It has **never** been this c**** to diminish Russia via a proxy, and Trump is pissing all over this opportunity.

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CallmeKahn Mar 28, 2026 +25

Trump only does what Putin tells him to, so there is that.

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Misfiring Mar 29, 2026 +4

China is the main adversary since the 2010s, and Russia is now the "hedge" that has the potential to be a problem for China. The US now does not want Russia to diminish because that would put them closer to China's orbit. Ever since the fall of the Soviets the US no longer sees Russia as the main adversary.

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wwarnout Mar 28, 2026 +23

Hmm...who to believe? A pathological liar, or a man fighting to save his country?

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SpeakerOdd Mar 28, 2026 +13

I think it would be very illegal to withhold what we are holding. These have already been bought and paid for by Canada, Germany, Australia, and a couple more, for delivery to Ukraine.

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sachiprecious Mar 29, 2026 +13

The context here is that Zelensky already said this, but Rubio said he was lying. >**Background:** >Zelenskyy said in an interview with Reuters on 25 March that the US is offering Ukraine security guarantees [in return for the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/25/8027207/) from the unoccupied parts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. On 27 March, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the US [has not made security guarantees conditional](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/27/8027509/) on the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from the whole of Donbas, and that Zelenskyy's statement to that effect is a lie. Now Zelensky is insisting that what he said is true, despite Rubio's denial. Of course I believe Zelensky is the one telling the truth. Rubio is a dirty snake and he has a lot of nerve accusing Zelensky of lying when he is totally fine and okay with all of his own boss's constant lies...

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tomekza Mar 28, 2026 +32

Nothing the USA has to offer is worth taking. Worthless paper, worthless promises.

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TheGisbon Mar 29, 2026 +9

Am american, our security guarantees aren't with the paper they are printed on, ask, *checks notes* oh... Uh Ukraine.....

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Sherool Mar 28, 2026 +9

This seem to be mostly about semantics, the US insist they don't require a withdrawal from Donbas, just an end to the war, but it's effectively the same thing since Russia insist on full control of Donbas as a prerequisite to even consider further negotiations, and the US seem to insist Ukraine is the one that need to make concessions.

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doc5avag3 Mar 29, 2026 +1

Really, the sad part about Donbas is that they've basically been a Russian territory for at least a decade now. I mentioned this a while back but Donbas was already having problems by the time Russia "annexed" Crimea in 2014. A lot of Kremlin-backed agitators were already bolstering the ethnic Russian's sympathies after the harsh crackdowns by Yanukovych's gov't during the Euromaiden protests. If that idiot had just left well enough alone, they might have avoided at least having Donbas become so hostile.

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Firm-Advertising5396 Mar 28, 2026 +8

Don't make a deal until trump is gone.

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dnight22 Mar 28, 2026 +6

Don't trust the us under piggy

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bluddystump Mar 28, 2026 +7

America is right now willing to destroy their international reputation in order for Russia to control roughly 500000 square kms of territory. This stinks to high heaven.

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bicycle-made-for2 Mar 28, 2026 +6

We believe you but, why would you ever trust the USA in the first place after they have shafted you again and again. Work with more reliable friends, even if they do not appear to be as powerful- at least you can trust them

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Anustart15 Mar 29, 2026 +1

I'm sure they would love to work with western European countries, but they don't seem to have much interest in offering any substantial protection

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bicycle-made-for2 Mar 29, 2026 +1

I accept that you are right based on the past….Europe relied historically far too much on the USA and as a result became lax in their actual support of each other. If Trump has done nothing else he has opened their eyes to what they NEED to do to support each other WITHOUT relying on the USA.

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ARobertNotABob Mar 28, 2026 +4

Gotta feel for Zee and the Ukrainians. They had guarantees from Russia which turned out to be worth spit. Nothing from Putin is going to be in good faith, and the traitors in the White House can't be trusted to know up from down.

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Ok-Negotiation-8502 Mar 28, 2026 +37

Trump has failed to honor the United States' security guarantees toward Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine gave up its nukes for these worthless guarantees! Any future "security guarantees" would be just as meaningless.

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EagleZR Mar 28, 2026 +20

>Trump has failed to honor the United States' security guarantees toward Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum. That's actually incorrect. The Budapest Memorandum did not involve any security guarantees, its relevant stipulations were that Russia and the US would respect Ukraine's existing borders and would not threaten, attack, or economically coerce Ukraine. You could make an argument that Trump's pressuring of Ukraine to give up territory for peace is an example of the US not respecting the 1994 borders, and also that Trump violated the economic coercion part with his quid pro quo stuff from 2019 or whatever, but the US did not violate any security guarantees from the Budapest Memorandum because there are none.

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WhoSaidWhatNow2026 Mar 28, 2026 +2

This continues to be wrong every time you people say it. Edit: oh, nvm, it's just a bot

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I_Never_Use_Slash_S Mar 28, 2026 -3

Why do they keep asking for them then?

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spiritualskywalker Mar 28, 2026 +15

Why does Rump keep asking Ukraine to concede territory in order to end the war?

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Leomonice61 Mar 28, 2026 +10

Because he has been in bed with Putin for years, it’s just that millions didn’t believe this for so long.

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Ramental Mar 28, 2026 +6

That is why Ukraine wants a Congress approval this time, to make it less like a whim of a current President, but more like a NATO-related guarantee.

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WhoSaidWhatNow2026 Mar 28, 2026 -2

The chances of them getting meaningful guarantees are almost zero, because nobody wants to go to war over Ukraine.

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Ramental Mar 28, 2026 +6

Then it's the US tricking Ukraine into surrendering and repeating the Budapest Memorandum, and that is why Ukraine is calling out the bullshit. The US could've just stopped clowning around pretending to be relevant in the negotiations. The whole "make Ukraine surrender before becoming a President" of the orange man is the only reason this sharade goes on.

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WhoSaidWhatNow2026 Mar 28, 2026 -1

It wouldn't be repeating the Budapest Memorandum, because the Budapest Memorandum had no security guarantees.

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Ramental Mar 28, 2026 +1

The Memoranda turned out / was a pinky promise. That is the point which makes my compatison valid. No pinky promises any more.

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DisasterNo1740 Mar 28, 2026 -3

There is no security guarentee under the budapest memorandum, and if you read that very memorandum you would know this. I understand why Ukraine peddles this disinformation, it's in their interest, they are at war after all. But you have no excuse for being this uninformed on the topic. Read the memorandum, it's not even that f****** long.

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WhoSaidWhatNow2026 Mar 28, 2026

It's only been a few years, you must understand why they haven't had time to read it.

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isthereadrwho Mar 28, 2026 +9

Whatever security guarantees you get from the US are going to be just as worthwhile as the security guarantees you got when Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Don't give up territory...

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isthereadrwho Mar 28, 2026 +3

The security guarantees you will get from the United States are as worthless as the security guarantees you got from the United States when you gave up your nuclear weapons. Don't give up your land

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lattice_defect Mar 28, 2026 +1

where the gas fields are

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ScottOld Mar 28, 2026 +1

Nah just ignore the deal and work with the middle east after they abandon trump for his moronic warmongering

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Zealousideal_Glass46 Mar 28, 2026 +1

Take Donbas back 🇺🇦

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HotTestesHypothesis Mar 29, 2026 +1

The only time Trump's words are with anything are the new dollar bills with his signature on them.

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Background_Cycle2985 Mar 29, 2026 +1

weren't we here last year? or was it another year before? it was one of them. i guess he's still saying it lol

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GatorNator83 Mar 29, 2026 +1

I’m puzzled why Zelensky is still going on about the US security guarantees. The US sees Ukraine as an enemy, so why would Ukraine trust anything that Trump “guarantees”? But maybe it’s just theatrics.

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ConinTheNinoC Mar 29, 2026 +1

USA security guarantees? Now that's hilarious.

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Ted_dron_411 Mar 28, 2026 +1

We’ve already seen how the U.S. protects people from Iran. What guarantees can they offer us?

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spiritualskywalker Mar 28, 2026 +7

There is a madman speaking for the USA at this time. If he told me that was the Sun in the sky, I would look to check.

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Ted_dron_411 Mar 28, 2026 +2

But he definitely won't say such obvious things, because there's no sun there, kekw

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xsubo Mar 28, 2026

In regards to the guarantee, I’ll have to agree with Billy from ‘Predator’ by quoting “I wouldn’t waste that on a broke d*** dog.”

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addikt06 Mar 29, 2026

Didn't you already have a guarantee in the mid 90s when you gave up nukes? how did that turn out? He should take whatever deal is available because after the Iran war, he is totally screwed.

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rvingthrulife Mar 29, 2026 -3

Zekensky's gullibility is frankly getting ridiculous.

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Moronic_Princess Mar 28, 2026 -26

Z-man has no cards and should accept whatever term is given by trump

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jacksonnobody Mar 28, 2026 +13

T-man has no cards and should accept whatever term is given by Iran.

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Zelenskyy insists that US security guarantees depend on Ukraine's withdrawal from Donbas

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