Good.
Ukraine is the best in the world based on their videos, so we might as well be working with them.
We should also be mass producing drones as well. Build up the know how and capacity within Canada and ship our drones to Ukraine for mass battlefield testing as a type of industry subsidy.
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Unicorn_Puppy12 hr ago
+127
This. Ukraine can teach us modern warfare.
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PlatformVarious894112 hr ago
+49
It kind of makes sense that a country in a high intensity active war for over 3 years is getting good at it…
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Hot-Sexy-THICCPAWG699 hr ago
+43
For over 4 years. 51 months since Russia invaded Ukraine with a full scale war in February 2022 already…
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abolish_karma7 hr ago
+21
March 2014. The whole coumtry has a generation who punched through every day at school and university knowing Russians are shooting civilians, sitting in a trenches out East, threatening to steal the remaining country and their democracy out from under them.
This documentary was released 10 years ago.
[https://youtu.be/3Pf3HjUwtWU?is=c06-piJv97qZv\_Zd](https://youtu.be/3Pf3HjUwtWU?is=c06-piJv97qZv_Zd)
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BorntoBomb7 hr ago
+4
Americans are soft and cant handle that.
Especially the MAGA ones.
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magwai912 hr ago
+28
CAF have been there since 2015
Edit. I should say in Europe (to train Ukraine's forces under Operation Unifier)
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VirulentGunk9 hr ago
+19
Don't forget to keep a stockpile at home for when the basement dwellers get rowdy.
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CliffsNote57 hr ago
-3
The basement dwellers have reasonable expectations of those ruling from above. Your disregard of their needs exacerbated the current crisis.
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Bleatmop9 hr ago
+6
Also, having a done making capability plus a growing stockpile of drones right now seems like a good idea considering we have a hostile neighbour on our borders too.
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tranquilseafinally12 hr ago
+20
Drone production is part of the defence budget. I was overjoyed when I saw that.
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Perfect_Opposite21139 hr ago
+11
I’d rather we mass produced drones and SAMs right now than spending billions of dollars on F35s
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GoodIdea3217 hr ago
+4
Probably every nation should be doing that.
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MaddST8 hr ago
+3
It would be of great use to use them to protect your borders too. Your neighbour is unhinged.
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abolish_karma7 hr ago
+3
Send army/intel liaisons to pick up best practices for psy-ops and infiltration tactics well.
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WhiteHeatBlackLight9 hr ago
+1
In the very least at least show us how to make the videos
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Ok_Currency_61710 hr ago
-14
Drones have their place, but generally aren't that useful to what Canada is likely to be involved in, especially the kind Ukraine works on. We aren't fighting a trench war our missions are largely naval or small forces based. Ukraine is mostly focusing on c**** short to medium ranged drones while given we have limited space in our ships we want better stuff per ton.
Canada's largest focus should be on expanding our naval power and missile tech. Ukraine has decent missile tech but I suspect we got access to better.
The chance we will be involved in trench war is low, the chance we will need a navy and need to hit something with missiles is high.
The EU should definitely obtain an inventory of short to medium range drones and thus if NATO goes to war we will have someone who can fulfill that role while we focus on what we are good at.
Edit: I wish to add that the people downvoting me are idiots. Put some simple brain cells into your drone stance, you seem like the idiots that just scream AI! Drones have their place, but in general Canada isn't in a trench war nor are we launching short-range drones to suicide peoples cities. Some idiot suggested we carry drone boats on ships over torpedo's, another we stock up drones on the US border for war. Morons.
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tvtowers10 hr ago
+8
Guessing you haven't heard about Sea Babies, or considered the fact that Canadian troops could very well be deployed to a battleground other than in Canada.
As for missiles, the US can supply, except they don't have the necessary materials to keep up with the demand they've created in Iran. That's probably what Trump is visiting China about (God forbid he should source anything in Canada), but the Ukrainian FP5 Flamingo is being used to good effect, they have two larger models rolling out soon. They might be better trading partners than our southern neighbor, and I suspect their stuff will be less expensive.
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Ok_Currency_61710 hr ago
-1
Sea babies have a range of a couple hundred km. Are you suggesting that something 2-3x the size and weight of a torpedo thats also a large+slow target is better to carry on a ship or sub than say....a torpedo? Or a missile?
Ukraine uses what it uses because of the situation its in. A situation we likely will never be in, but if we were we'd be part of a large combined force of nations and NATO's doctrine calls for each nation to specialize in a few things. Obviously the suggestion that we carry something 3x the size and weight of a missile/torpedo on a ship to do the job of a missile/torpedo is weird.
I totally agree that we should setup missile factories in Canada. Honeywell International, Magellan, and Calian Group Ltd all produce major missile components so we are not too far off from full on missile manufacturing.
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tvtowers10 hr ago
+3
What's the range of a modern torpedo, genius? 100km, max. Sea Babies are ten times that. Try harder.
Edited to remove a Swype error that I overlooked
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Ok_Currency_6179 hr ago
+1
Which is why we have missiles...and we can probably carry and store 4 missiles for each drone plus they are a hell load harder to shoot down.
Ukraine uses drones because missiles are expensive and cause they have a shore to launch from so tonnage isn't an issue. But Canadian ships on deployment have limited space so they take the best stuff not the cheapest stuff.
Seriously this stuff should be obvious without any military training or knowledge. Most of Ukraine's success with these drones has also been because they caught Russian ships by surprise, now that Russia's adapted they've had a lot less success. Not saying they aren't scary, but I am pointing out that technology and doctrine has advanced to deal with them a lot better than previous.
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tvtowers9 hr ago
+2
Kongsberg is what we have, effective to 185 km. Try harder.
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Ok_Currency_6179 hr ago
+2
A tomahawk has 1600km range at 885km/hour. Sea babies go at 90km/hour. I think it would take a real moron to suggest we have 1 drone over 4 much deadlier missiles. But congrats you rose to the task!
You and Hitler have a lot in common, always chasing the next super weapon.
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tvtowers9 hr ago
+1
Do we *have* tomahawks? You and Hitler have a lot in common, pushing imaginary battle groups around the sand table. Try harder.
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Ok_Currency_6179 hr ago
+1
No but we are working to add them as we produce ships able to fire them. They should be online by 2030. Or we could produce ships to fire off your sea drones...stupidly. This discussion is about what capabilities to add/expand to Canada. It seems like you agree with me that our money/energy is better spent on getting Tomahawk-equipped frigates.
[https://www.twz.com/37506/canadas-new-frigate-will-be-brimming-with-missiles](https://www.twz.com/37506/canadas-new-frigate-will-be-brimming-with-missiles)
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Chaiboiii10 hr ago
+6
I dont know, drones seem to be helping Iran fend off the US. Having drones helps for fending off invasions so Canada could probably use some as a deterrent for the US.
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Ok_Currency_61710 hr ago
-5
Not really? I don't believe Iran has hit a single ship. Also...are you seriously suggesting we use short range suicide drones to hit US cities given that they have like 30x our land army and are a 1 hour drive or less from our major cities?
I shudder at how stupid some of my fellow Canucks have gotten.
At least my suggestion gives us some precision missiles that can take out key targets/leaders. Suggesting we acquire and store short-range suicide drones near US cities for defence kind of leads me to suggest you consider moving to BC for their drugs if you don't live there already.
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Chaiboiii10 hr ago
+10
Sorry i outraged you so much on a random internet forum lol. Dont take yourself too seriously bud.
No im suggesting fpv drones are used as part of guerilla tactics after they take over major cities to just make them take casualties. Sorry mr.general.
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tvtowers9 hr ago
+2
He's a bit unbalanced, I've seen him before.
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abolish_karma7 hr ago
+1
How much do you know about Operation Spiderweb?
Canada trades a whole lot more with US than Ukraine did with Russia, pre-invasion.
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Unicorn_Puppy12 hr ago
+185
It’s worth noting in NATO war games last year Ukraine was invited to simulate being an enemy and they absolutely destroyed the NATO units with drone warfare. They are an ally we should be fortunate to have, they alone know how to fight a modern war.
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thebiggestpoo10 hr ago
+73
War has fundamentally shifted and so many countries are refusing to accept it.
10. It was 10 ukrainian FPV operators that rendered two entire NATO brigade inoperable.
If Ukraine falls we are absolutely fucked.
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drleondarkholer7 hr ago
+15
I think that the Trump administration grossly underestimates the danger of letting Ukraine be swallowed up by Russia. You'd get a lot of spiteful Ukrainians now on Russian territory, who might not refuse going to war against the USA after feeling betrayed. (obviously not alone, but what if it's alongside Russia, Iran and China?)
Sure, they will still hate Russians, but the defeated generally have more animosity towards those they perceive as traitors than towards the one who was always the enemy.
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DrWilliamHorriblePhD6 hr ago
+4
You think he cares if the US suffers?
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catscanmeow6 hr ago
-2
he has kids so the future has to matter a little to him
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DrWilliamHorriblePhD6 hr ago
+4
You should try doing stand up comedy
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Time-Raspberry10856 hr ago
+2
I’m not doubting this, I’m just curious where you got this information from cause I’d for sure like to know more out of pure interest.
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unbelievablehulk4 hr ago
+2
Here : https://euromaidanpress.com/2026/02/13/nato-exercise-reveals-alliance-cant-survive-ukraine-style-drone-warfare/
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bilyl6 hr ago
+1
Are these combined arms? Really hard to imagine this happening in conventional warfare. Then again what is conventional nowadays? The Ukraine war is special because neither side has a real Air Force. Iran is special because Trump refuses to use ground troops and Iran can inflict massive economic pain. In many other circumstances the US would wipe out another opponent if they didn’t have to hold back.
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Gone21310 hr ago
+20
No one wants to acknowledge it, but Russia will run laps around Nato defenses with drones too. They've been attacking ukraine and other neighbors for 10 plus years with actual boots on the ground.
That alone gets major experience that simulations and prepping doesnt give.
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LeBonLapin10 hr ago
+31
Eh, I don't know how true that is. Russia is losing the drone war pretty clearly. NATO is inexperienced but learning - and learning from the side that's winning said drone war.
As much as I think Russia needs to be contained and forced to stop lashing out at neighbouring nations; I don't think they are currently in a position of strength. Their failure to defeat Ukraine in 2022 is proof of that, and they are even weaker now. If they couldn't beat Ukraine, they absolutely couldn't defeat Poland - let alone the combined arms of NATO (with or without the US).
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cb_247 hr ago
+9
Rubikon is well ahead ahead of most NATO drone units, if not all. They came up with fiber optic drones and applied them successfully in places like Kursk to cut off Ukrainian logistics. Ukraine has learned lessons and developed their own fiber optics drones, countermeasures, and are mirroring their mid-range air interdiction campaign.
There’s a reason their operators and command posts are high priority targets for Ukraine, whether it’s HIMARS, FP-2s, or airstrikes.
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Unfair_Appointment227 hr ago
+2
The problem right now is Russia has ramped up serious long range drone and missile production. If the Ukraine war ended and they decided to attack an eastern European country the EU and even NATO air defense stockpiles would be exhausted quickly. Not saying they could win a war but they could easily cripple Eastern European infrastructure, create war fatigue for the public, and potentially get them to agree to letting them keep a piece of some country in eastern Europe in order to end the conflict. The classic escalate to deescalate. Bonus points of they do hybrid warfare and convincr the far right and left in the EU that it was actually EUs fault for starting it, vote in some fringe party's to create division, and now Russia can rinse and repeat for another piece in a couple years due to division.
The EU still does not have any significant production of long range missile to hit back unless Trump decides to give them Tomahawks...which are critically low due to the Iran war.
This hubris reminds me of the Maginot line invincibility facade before WWII broke out. Ukraine is literally in sacrificing everything and in total war mode to barely hold on. Doubt western European countries have the stomach for that and an even more emboldened or radical US government in the future might even sit by, do nothing, and lay the blame on Europe and watch laughing.
I believe it should be taken as an existential threat.
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jesjimher3 hr ago
+1
Ukraine is number one. Russia/Iran are a close second. Then come all the other countries, who still have to adapt to modern warfare.
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BluepaiN7 hr ago
-1
The goal of Russia is to fracture NATO and / or Europe. If push came to shove, how many countries would actually honour article 5, if Russia invaded northeren Finland and took a part of the country there? I would guess, not many, as sending your people to die in some cold and forsaken wasteland is a tough sell for domestic politics in every European country. And once that happens, NATO is dead. Russia knows well they can't beat Europe head on, but that's not the point.
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abolish_karma7 hr ago
+3
If Russia did that, Finland could finance the war on selling pay per view rights alone, they'd get so much help thrown after them they'd be up to their necks in it.
Nobody wants war, but EVERYBODY wants to be on the winning side. There won't be even a second of "will Finland survive" hestiation in the beginning.
Russia won't pick on Finland. A second time.
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Syeina6 hr ago
+1
Nato would honour article 5 as it has in the past, silly
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Onyx_Sentinel5 hr ago
+1
Didn‘t they f*** up all of nato by themselves? It was nuts.
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LevelFix8312 hr ago
+76
Why would Canada need a drone army… oh… ohh.
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Unlucky-Candidate19810 hr ago
+30
And more long term, sadly the Northwest Passage won’t remain frozen for relatively much longer. Both Russia and China have had their eyes on it for a while.
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dark_gear10 hr ago
+17
Unfortunately, our southern border sharers are both less trustworthy and less predicable than Russia and China. Signing a drone deal with Ukraine means we might just get access to the very same training and tech that seems to be completely clobbering the US and Russia in their illegal wars.
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drleondarkholer7 hr ago
+5
Eh, let's not overestimate the honesty of Russia and China. Even nowadays, they quite often push the boundaries of established international borders. (pun somewhat intended)
It's not a competition either, Canada should be ready to all of its borders against their neighbours. (outside of Denmark/Greenland)
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abolish_karma7 hr ago
+5
It's proven against fascist neighbor states with spiralling econony and penchant for annexations.
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kenneth_bannockburn11 hr ago
+4
Brp could make some "killer" water drones.
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turb0_encapsulator11 hr ago
+39
The most hilarious thing about Trump is that he is destroying America's military industrial complex.
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goodtimtim9 hr ago
+5
it depends on what you mean by "destroy" he intends to funnel $1.5**T** to defense companies next year. Now what they'll deliver 🤷♂️
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Magma1518 hr ago
+5
More that the customer base of our MIC has been severely hurt by his actions. We might be building more stuff for our own use, but all the other countries that bought stuff from us are suddenly looking elsewhere.
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lastSKPirate7 hr ago
+6
That spending isn't coming back after he's done, either. The rest of NATO no longer views the USA as reliable, for good reason. We'll meet all those GDP goals, but we're spending it locally and in more trustworthy countries.
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jesjimher3 hr ago
+1
They will deliver wonderful drones, best of the best, 300% better than any other, but they will cost $5 million and require 18 months to manufactures. Then, somebody like Ukraine can throw 50 cheaper drones at any US mega-drone, and destroy them anyway, for a fraction of the price.
US weapon industrial complex knows how to make the best weapons, that's for sure. But it's not about being the best anymore, it's about being c**** and quick to manufacture. And that is totally unknown to them, because they have been fed with near unlimited amounts of money for the last 50+ years.
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tvtowers13 hr ago
+72
Good. Next time we hear "51st state" we can buzz the white house and mess up Donald's hair (and diaper)
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Substantial_Milk817011 hr ago
+35
I just hope these Canadian drones are equipped with a little speaker that politely says 'Sorry!' right before impact.
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xaxen811 hr ago
+9
"So sorry about this eh...gotta do a bomb right aboot here." [Kaboom]
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Tal_Star10 hr ago
Naw they will be loaded with Maple Syrup.
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marcolius8 hr ago
+3
That seems like a sticky situation.
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slabba42810 hr ago
+2
The first one, yeah why not, gather round for these delicious snacks!
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RarelyReadReplies13 hr ago
+13
Excellent! Been hoping we'd see news like this soon.
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Flash_ina_pan13 hr ago
+22
Are they Goose shaped? That would be both hilarious and accurate to Canada Gooses behavior
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DoctorMicroDong13 hr ago
+19
No, the geese are reserved as our nuclear option. We've been meticulously training the geese to hate the American flag in secret for decades. Geese typically don't live hat long, but we have become so good at training them that even their offspring react violently towards anything remotely resembling stars and stripes.
If the USA attempts to invade, and us Canadians feel backed into a corner.. We will have no other choice but to strap the geese full of explosives and point them South. Sorry!
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glitterfaust11 hr ago
+2
I mean, that just feels like revenge for the goose genocide we attempted circa 2009
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reznorwings7 hr ago
+2
If you have ever dealt with a cobra chicken, you know they don't f*** around.
Give you the worst f****** t**** twister you have ever had.
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biffbot1311 hr ago
+5
Geese with fricken lasers!
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thePretzelCase10 hr ago
+1
Worse, pure flying hatred
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NeinJuanJuan6 hr ago
+1
I'm imagining an MLRS-looking drone launcher truck with 40-tubes that each go "honk" when launched.
Honk-honk-nk-hon-honk-honk...
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Brusion12 hr ago
+12
The rifle is no longer the weapon of choice on the frontline. Good to see Canada getting on board.
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SZD123410 hr ago
+8
I really wish Ukraine would stop sharing technology with the US though as I fear that is whom we will be fighting. The US has not done anything for Ukraine for over a year now so why help them? We are now thankfully developing a Eurocentric manufacturing base and should only share within.
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BorntoBomb9 hr ago
+6
If the US does ever decide to attack canada for any reason.
This will be the reason it fails.
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lastSKPirate7 hr ago
+3
Nah, the reason it fails will be that Americans can't tell Canadians from other Americans, and the insurgency will be both more intense than in Afghanistan or Iraq, and will be happening all over the continental US.
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BorntoBomb7 hr ago
+4
It can be both of those things
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Reddvox4 hr ago
+1
Hm, are you sure? Won't the canadian inserrectionists always first asks politley if the americans had time in the schedule for an ambush or sabotage act?
Of course, consdidering the average mental capacity of the americans, they would probably comply and give the canadians the dates when to attack best and all.
Stereotypes!
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lastSKPirate3 hr ago
+1
What stereotypes did I use? Americans not being able to tell Canadians apart from other Americans is a fact, not a stereotype.
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rvingthrulife12 hr ago
+7
I can't wait to see trump completely freak out over this.
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Life_Of_High4 hr ago
+1
As he should honestly. Besides nuclear and chemical weapons, this is like 3rd on the list of arms you do not want on your border. I just hope the northern states realize they are in the hypothetical crosshairs, and are in a domestic existential battle for future security.
But this is exactly what Canada must do for defence. Unfortunately it has come to this as Canada is helping build a new world order and it’s clear American oligarchs have their sights set on Canadian resources. Canada must hedge against US aggression to the south, Russian and to a lesser extent Chinese expansionism in the north.
Just wait 10 years and Carney’s Davos speech could be interpreted as a threat to American national security in hindsight. This is why this knowledge and industrial partnership is essential. It is not in Canada’s nature to be a predator. Canada has plenty of resources, no need to expand. but Canada should be a porcupine.
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xaxen811 hr ago
+8
Just curious, and totally hypothetical situation...could Canadian Drones reach Mar-a-lago?
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LouieGwasright4 hr ago
+1
Wouldnt matter. If a drone could make the 1200-1500 mile journey from Canada to Florida, by the time it got close any valuable target would be moved to a bunker
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National_Fact865011 hr ago
+3
which company make drone
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dannymasta0411 hr ago
+4
Volateus Aerospace would be my pick.
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cb_247 hr ago
+2
Draganfly has the coolest name.
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Euclidisthebomb5 hr ago
+2
It was previously announced that Bombardier was going to be funded for certain drone manufacturing lines. There are several drone producers in Canada. 2 of them have supplied drones to Ukraine. Teledyne over 1000 of a specialized military recon drone that is encrypted transmission, high optics, better wind performance, high ceiling and long range loitering capability.
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im_dead_sirius8 hr ago
+3
Yes. I am all for more connection to Ukraine.
Plus we might have to ship drones south by the millions some day.
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huehuehuehuehuuuu13 hr ago
+3
Great news.
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Lepidopterex7 hr ago
+2
Anyone gonna make a drone that looks like a Canada goose?
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TauCabalander4 hr ago
+1
Who needs drones when you have Cobra Chickens
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Acland20135 hr ago
+1
Taiwan Taiwan Taiwan 🇹🇼❤️
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SomeBiPerson3 hr ago
+1
for anyone wondering they're trading skills, Strategic and Tactical experience together with the knowledge of what a drone needs to have for drones and Manufacturing capacities with willing NATO Nations
support always goes two ways, which some National leaders still have to learn
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lifealwayswins4 hr ago
+1
Should be free. Let’s not forget the billions upon billions Canada has sent.
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Tal_Star10 hr ago
-10
With all the money Canada (and former Deputy PM) has sent Ukraine this should be a forgone conclusion. Hopefully our leaders don't over pay... :|
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Sreg3210 hr ago
+17
Huh? I'd rather overpay Ukraine any day of the week than send more of our money south. You know, the ones wanting to take over our country, tariffs...
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dreamlike6766 hr ago
-11
Ah the country that put a ukronazi on a pedestal in parliament wants to keep working with them.
Ask Canada why they had to remove all the names on their vi tims of communism memorial
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Syeina6 hr ago
+7
This is likely a foreign account trying to influence public opinion
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dreamlike6765 hr ago
-4
I'm australian.
Your point?
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sharp11flat134 hr ago
+1
> Ah the country that put a ukronazi on a pedestal in parliament wants to keep working with them
It wasn’t “a country”. It was a mistake by the Speaker of the House who acknowledged that he had acted unilaterally without consulting Parliament or the PMO and failed to do his due diligence. This is to some degree understandable because the only country in the world with more Ukrainians is Ukraine. But he screwed up and he owned it publicly, in true Canadian fashion.
Here’s your opportunity to exhibit similar behaviour.
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